Ah, so Zimmerman had access to Martin's criminal record when he stalked and shot him?

I think what Krellin is getting at is, the Trayvon assaulting Zimmerman story isn't fiction based on this history.

Yeah, knock if off krellin. Even if he were a serial killer or super villain if Zimmerman didn't meet the criteria for self defense then the shooting was unjustified.

haha Krellin, MY 14-18 y.o. criminal record reads more severely than that kids, just to put shit in perspective.

Why is it so important to you that this guy Zimmerman be let off (not saying he shouldn't be, just saying I don't know)?

Am I the only person in America who thinks we should just wait and let the authorities have their chance at doing their job before we crucify Zimmerman (or Martin)? What am I missing, here?

"Am I the only person in America who thinks we should just wait and let the authorities have their chance at doing their job"

Nope, not the only one, YJ

At least three, Yellowjacket.

@Bob....No....it probably means that when Zimmerman, against police orders, got out of his vehicle, he was probably attacked by Martin, and then defended himself once the odds turned against him.

As was sooooo predictable....the leftists and liberals will ignore ANY suggestion that Martin was anything but a saint. THAT is my point. Again...I wasn't there...I have NO idea what transpired....and if Zimmerman get convicted, I will support that conviction by the justice system 100%.

But I'm also willing to admit that...DESPITE media hype....it's possible that this punk kid was a serial burglar..and Zimmerman caught his scent...And after the fact, it turns out that Martin was a pretty fucking ROTTEN kid....more prone to crime than he was cracking open the books to study....

If I had instead posted a link about how Zimmerman had a history of racial attacks, all you bitches would be *praising* my post.....fucking hypocrites. Afraid your racial hysteria might be shattered by FACTS?

Thing is, the Sanford PD already hasn't done their job. They're not supposed to act as Mr. Zimmerman's defense attorney. Proper police procedure is to take any shooter into custody, give him a chance to make a statement, then, when he lawyers up, arrest him and pass the case on to the DA.

@YJ -- I have NEVER EVER said Zimmerman need to be let off. Find me ONE single post where I have suggested that. On the contrary, there are a plethora of assholes on this sight that already have Zimmerman convicted of murder....becuase that's what the media hype told them to believe....before the facts are in.


I posted this as INFORMATION. Martin is being portrayed as some god-loving Saint....when in reality he is a fucking juvenile delinquent! Why don't a few of you get your heads out of your asses and start to take an OBJECTIVE LOOK at this case, instead of being a bunch of racist assholes and assuming that Zimmerman -- the Hispanic shooter -- hunted him and killed him based solely on race.

Well, a history of racist attacks would be more relevant, given that it goes directly to state of mind. Whereas a juvenile charge of possession of burglary tools does not indicate anything about Martin's likelihood of committing a forcible felony like aggravated battery.

@Krellin. I'm a leftist and a liberal and I'm not ignoring this at all. I don't have enough facts to make a judgement.

@Bob: thats not true, to my knowledge. You don't arrest somebody if you don't have enough to build a case. I'm not saying I know for sure the SPD made the right choice, I'm just saying you and I can't know they made the wrong one.

@Krellin sorry, I misunderstood then. It just seems like you're pretty gloaty and I'm not sure why.

@BOB....No...Maybe they DID do their job....maybe they looked at his head wounds from the fight prior to the shooting (HAVE YOU?????) Maybe they looked into Martin's CRIMINAL background....and drew a conclusion....

Maybe the only people drawing racist conclusions are Martin's DEFENDERS....who would claim racism NO MATTER what came out about Martin.

@YJ --- As is typical...you, Bob...ALL you leftists UP TO CONCLUSIONS about every public issue...about every post I make...without reading...without comprehending...without thought.

Yeah, you're unambiguously incorrect there, krellin. Also, you as well, YJ. Police are supposed to make an arrest if they have enough to get past a preliminary hearing, where all facts alleged are to be interpreted in a manner most favorable to the state's case.

krellin, I jump to conclusions because I am a criminal defense attorney who went to law school in Florida and studied both police and legal procedure there. Do you have such a background?

?? Actually, I'm agreeing with you, Krellin. Did you even ready anything I said? I've repeatedly said I refuse to draw conclusions, because I don't have the facts.

You are very confusing.

@YJ...I'm "gloaty" because for DAYS now i have been arguing that a proper investigation needs to be made....that all this assholish knee-jerk reaction to convict Zimmerman is wrong....that the WHOLE story needs to be heard. and now...as FACTS emmerge...as EVIDENCE is released....we realize this wasn't just some asshole whit eguy hunting down a nigger, as you Liberals want people to believe.

I "gloat" because the FACTS are starting to suggest that (((GASP!!))) there is MORE to this story than the simple racist bullshit the Sheople have been fed....I gloat becuase this supposed racist is RIGHT, despite all the hate I have been the recipient of for having a common sense approach to this issue.

He was brought in for hours questioning and then let go. It's not as if the policeman swirled his billy-club, winked at Zimmerman, and sent him home.

And the prosecutor DOES intend to file manslaughter charges, but was told by higher-ups that there wasn't enough evidence. So they're INVESTIGATING to find enough evidence to charge him and make it stick so it doesn't get thrown out. Would you rather they pursue the case before it's been properly prepared and Zimmerman gets out of it (assuming he didn't act out of legitimate self-defense)? People watch too much Law and Order and think this stuff just happens boom-boom-boom.

@Bob...I know what you are....i've tqangled with you before. You are the asshole that hlds the smokig gun while wiping off the finger prints and then declares your client innocent. YOU are scum of the earth, without a rational, decent bone in his body. You entire life is dedicating to letting people go free on technicalities.

One of my best friends from junior high is a defense attorney....I know **exactly** what you do for a living...and I find you repugnant, and not worthy of listening to.

And...for the ignorant masses out there....Bob spends MOST of his time getting rich WHITE folk out of drunk driving charges....Letting the assholes back on to the street to kill your friends and neighbors.


Fuck you, Bob.

"....as you Liberals want people to believe."

Again, I resent that, since its not at all what I'm saying. In fact, what I'm saying mirrors almost exactly the whole first part of your paragraph. I know you're used to disagreeing with me, but come on man :P

Haha bob, Krellin found a box for you. Is it cozy in there?

lol bob says we are wrong becuase we made some suggestion about police which isn't true..and then ADMITS that he jumps to conclusions without facts.....moron~!

It's cute that you think the investigation stops once an arrest is made. Anyway, the reason police are instructed to make arrests even when they don't have enough evidence to convict someone yet but do have enough to get past a preliminary hearing is to put the accused on bond, so his activities can be monitored more closely.

You'll stop saying those things about defense attorneys if you ever need one, krellin.

@YJ...Bob foudn a box? Probably the one his clients are in....but not me. NO IDEA what you are talking about.

So, it took only 5 posts of disagreement before krellin went to the personal attacks. I guess I don't have to feel the need for restraint or courtesy then. OK, let me fill in the blanks for you, Yellowjacket. Krellin seems gloaty because he is. Because he's happy a black kid died. It's because he's a racist sack of shit.

And actually, I seldom do drunk driving. I'm more of a domestic violence specialist. Much more room for reasonable doubt there.

"ad hominem" ... and it rarely works

Muted thread. As tc would say, "poof"

if muted it would not appear ...

i saw this post earlier today and thought that you might be interested to see this new story:
http://www.northwestohio.com/news/story.aspx?id=735111#.T3KHz_Utxqh

"I've repeatedly said I refuse to draw conclusions, because I don't have the facts."
Excellent viewpoint Yellowjacket!