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28 Mar 12 UTC

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I got this notification!

regular -2
10:00 PM
You were defeated, and lost your bet, but you have been refunded 10 to make up your starting 100; better luck next time!

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Gobbledydook (1389

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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What happens to CD points and docked points?

Say I CD'ed in some games and got docked for some points. Therefore I don't get refilled to 100.
How do I reset the limit to 100?

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Thucydides (864

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Are you afraid to die?

Are you.

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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A self-referencing thread that refers to the threads concerning other thread

A healthy sense of sarcasm and self-deprecation is a must.

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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New to Webdiplomacy

I have played a few games before on a friends account and decided to make my own account and try my own luck. I would like to play a live game if anyone else is interested. Thank you

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Word association thread

Post the first single word that comes to mind when you have read the last post.

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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British Parliament votes

Hey, though I'd just give this a shot, see if anyone would actually have this information? Does anyone know where (preferably on the internet or in an easily obtainable book) I could find the record of votes in the British parliament. I assume it wouldn't be too hard to find the votes of the past few years, but I'm looking for votes from 1801-1899. Any ideas? I'm working on my thesis, and having a little trouble. Thanks

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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If you had to, would you?

Basically, someone posts a situation, then the next poster says if they would do it and why, then post a new situation. Im bringing back an old post that i found rly funny :D
Il start: would you rather get assaulted by 2 shop keepers beating you with stale, rock hard baguettes or fly out of an airplane, with no parachute...BUT, you bang ANYONE you wish as you fall ?

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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The best gunboat feeling.

Thank guessing right when you have to guess an opponents move. It's such a rush when the map comes up and you made the right choice.

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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TRAYVON...The CRIMINAL....UK Has Balls to Reveal Truth

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2120504/Trayvon-Martin-case-He-suspended-times-caught-burglary-tool.html

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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Web Dip Drinking Game Rules

Thucy you requested them so this is what I've come up with. The rules can edit, changed or whatever. I tried to put the ones with the most ability to get people drunk without being to vicious.

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Hygiene

I brushed my teeth twice this morning and flossed three times.

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24 Mar 12 UTC

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The Hunger Games (And Other Teen Franchises)--Thoughts?

I've said my peace about my disdain for manufactured book series in general, and especially teen ones...and yet, "Ender's Game," a book I've praised, is definitely a series, and if not targeted at teens, certainly aimed at them in large part...so, my question, as The Hunger Games hits theatres, is simply--what do you think of them? HP? Twilight? Hunger Games? Ender? Others? Fair to compare...and do any of them, in your opinion, have "staying power?"

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Chase Aero (103

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Lets PLay!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84436

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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new classic game

I started a password protected, long-phased new game.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=84290
I hope there are some guys who want to join, as I need good players for a good game. So, just message me if you are interested!

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Lando Calrissian (100

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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LIL B IS MY FRIEND 2012

MAKE HIM FAMOUS

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Introducing friends to diplomacy!

I am about to host my second diplomacy party with a group of friends. here's the thing: i've only played online, and none of my friends have played at all, except for my last game. I'd like to tell you what I'm doing and see if you guys have any pointers for teaching diplomacy, and how to host a good live game.

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Dharmaton (2398

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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2 Russian friends 'Multi' ?

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goldfinger0303 (3157

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28 Mar 12 UTC

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Mod Team

Very Urgent. Please check your emails. If you see this after 9:45, never mind

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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AFRCAN AMERCANS - Need White Man's Help?

it's been suggested that I am racist because I think an African American can make it on his own in 2012. If you are African American...do you NEED a White Man's HELP to make it in life? Or do you think that you are capable of succeeding on your own, WITHOUT a White man's help?

Who's racist? The one who trusts you for your own strength? Or the liberal whitey who thinks you are too weak on your own to succeed????

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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That would be awkward if...

Your made-up story please.

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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That was awkward when...

Your true story please.

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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D-Cubed (Daily Death in Detroit)

http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/police%3A-man-fatally-shot-at-inkster-apartment-complex-20120327

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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vDiplomacy vs webDiplomacy

What is the difference and why do they both have the same webDip logo but it seems are seperate sites requiring seperate user info. Was there a split in leadership and one site is a rebel faction? I want to play more fun variants' does that mean I need

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NakedBatman (545

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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Join our game!

I created a game to play with some friends but they couldn't all make it so we have a few slots that we need filled. Please join us!

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Chase Aero (103

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27 Mar 12 UTC

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Live Action 18

there is a new game i just made join!

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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Don't mention the meta-gamers......sorry I meant the war !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk

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26 Mar 12 UTC

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On the Treyvor Martin Question

See inside

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redhouse1938 (429

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25 Mar 12 UTC

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NOT-REDHOUSE (ELO: >1800, white) vs. REDHOUSE (ELO secret ☺, black)

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redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Official match, 1.30h pp for first 40 moves + 30 seconds per move, 30 minutes for final + 30s

Time to shamelessly discuss another game here! Mute this thread if you hate chess and/or shamelessness, or me showing off a victory, or all three!

I won this game, but I think I made some mistakes. I’m not sure where they are, who’s interested? Is it a good idea to take the pawn in the center with my knight? Is sacrificing the bishop to consume the knight’s position and take the other knight a good idea?

1. e4-c5
2. d4-cxd
3. c3-dxc
4. Nxc-e6
5. Nf3-Bb4
6. Bd2-Ne7
7. Bd3-d5
8. e5-Nc6
9. 00 – a6
10. a3-Ba5
11. b4-Bc7
12. Qe2-b5
13. Bg5-Bd7
14. Rab1-d4
15. Ne4-Nxe5
16. Nxd4-Nxd3
17. BxN-Nf4
18. BxQ-NxD+(here white’s already screwed to a point of no return IMO lol)
19. NxN-RxB
20. Kc5-Bc8
21. a4-bxa
22. Nxa-Bd7
23. Rfc1-Bf4
24. Nxf4-BxN
25. Rc7-00
26. Ne2-Rd7
27. RxR-BxR
28. h3-g6
29. Nc3-Rb8
30. Ne4 (not sure if I wrote this correctly, but see move 18 commentary)-Bb5
31. Kh2-Bd3
32. Nf6-Kg7
etc. etc., white gives up after turn 38

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

18 should be ...-NxQ+ I think..
20 should read N, not K

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Well played. White clearly didn't know the Smith-Morra, though.
I just played through the game briefly, and I know I had some brilliant insightful questions. But now I've forgotten :(.
Where do you play? Was this live or on the internet?

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

No this was old-fashioned live! And I didn't know Smith-Morra either, your mentioning it is the first time I heard of it. Time to wiki what I did! :-)

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Well it's alright if you don't know it! (Unless you're a closet GM). White shouldn't have played it if he didn't know the basic ideas, though. Bishops belong on c4 and f4/d3, and he should have countered the pin with Nd2. I've been dabbling with that variation as white lately -- maybe not technically sound but loads of fun against people who don't know what they're doing and let you push to e5 before moving their d-pawn.

You countered in the center very well, and you were probably better after ...d5. (IMHO). Very well handled.

I remembered one of my questions: why a) Ba5 after a3? b) Why Bc7? I thought the idea of a6 was to prepare for Qc7. And the bishop on the a7-g1 diagonal looks strong.

Was this like, a competitive game?

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

okay hang on I'll get my chess board and play it again so I can answer your questions lol

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

setting up board...

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

no worries, i'm gonna step out for a bit. take your time.

but when i come back i expect a full-length essay of publishable quality!

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Okay... first results are in:
d5 I agree was pretty painful, thanks for that! :-)
a) Isn't that the best? By provoking b4 I can move Bc7, which double threatens his most aggressive pawn... What would you have done?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Definitely looks like an interesting game. Though, I have to disagree that after 18. (here white’s already screwed to a point of no return IMO lol). Black has the advantage but it is far from over. I'll put it in my chess program later tonight if I have time and let you know what it says.

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Ah I'm starting to see what you mean... Interesting indeed. Actually one of the many reasons was that I believed that at some point, I'd be playing Qb8 to add an additional attack on the pawn.

redhouse1938 (429 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@Caballo of course "assuming black doesn't make errors". I'd be very interested in your pc analysis as well.
@jmeyersd your questions are very stimulating, they will be the subject of ongoing research :-)

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

I'm not saying that Ba5 was necessarily a bad move, but an alternative might have been Bc4. I thought that your move a6 was to prepare for Qc7, which seems the strongest square for the queen. The bishop on the a7-g1 diagonal would have been very strong, so you would have had 2 strong pieces instead of just the one. This also would prepare to bring the rooks to the c & d files.

But heck, you're probably a better player than me. And what you did seemed to work fine.

Anyone fancy a nice friendly game here?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

White's 32 move seems odd to me even without the computer analysis I think he should have played Re1.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Is there any way you can attempt to reconstruct moves 32-38 from memory? as etc etc doesn't tell me much though I as previous stated I do agree that white is sort of lost after 32 Nf6+

jmeyersd (4240 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

I agree about Re1 being better, but white is still far worse in that position.

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

This is what I get after looking at the game with Rybka.

6. Qd4! forces black to trade the bishop with already weakened dark squares.
14 Rab1 was a bad move. This show white has no plan (and doesn't understand what gambits are about): Rac1, Rfd1 or a4 were better.
16 Bf6 !? Nice computer move. Analysis is unclear, but white certainly has chances.
17 Bxe7? Trying to be fancy, but essentially this gives the entire game away. White has compensation after simple Qxd3. In any case, 17...f6 is met by 18 Bxf6!
22...0-0 You still had one rook doing nothing. Activate it!
23... Bf4? seems pointless. Why trade your bishop pair away? Why not Be5? or Bxh2+
31... Bd3 Nice trick, but would you have won without it? One pawn should be enough, but the technique is still tricky. Try to beat your computer from that position.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@17 Bxe7? Trying to be fancy, but essentially this gives the entire game away. White has compensation after simple Qxd3.

This was another thing that I noticed...
Also, whites 31 moves seems to lose him about a 1 point in the analysis... was he in time trouble at this point?

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

Also, why 12...b5? It closes the position down, but white's b5 wasn't a real threat anymore. Isn't this wasting time when you could've gone 12...Ng6? 'cause that's What your entire set-up is about.

Can someone explain why 7...d5 is such a good move? I don't see anything wrong with Nbc6.

basvanopheusden (2176 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

At move 17, he probably wanted to avoid 17...f6. Likely didn't see (or didn't dare Bxf6). Without that move, it's not enough.

At move 31, he simply blundered. Maybe time-trouble, or he was just worn out by a long game.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
25 Mar 12 UTC

@ 7 ... d5 I think the common (better) moves from this position are 0-0 and Nbc6. Though my computer has d5 as almost the same so it's probably just preference there.

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

@ Is sacrificing the bishop to consume the knight’s position and take the other knight a good idea?

If you are referring to blacks 23 move then yes sacrificing is good but not with Bf4 the correct sacrifice would be Bxh2+

jmeyersd (4240 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

Anyone fancy a crude correspondence game here?

Caballo Blanco (1005 )
26 Mar 12 UTC

How crude are you talking?

redhouse1938 (429 )
27 Mar 12 UTC

Anyways, here's how it ended:
33. Nd7-Rd8
34. Rd1-RxN
35. Kg3-Bb5
36. RxR-BxR
37. Rf4-Rf6
38. g3-e5+
White resigns

So I discussed and replayed this game yesterday, we came to the conclusion that my opponent made several mistakes. Just like some people here said, Tab1 is - IMO - the gravest one. It does nothing and loses precious momentum. Indeed, as @basvanopheusden said, the guy had no plan here (he actually made the same comment when we were analyzing together later about that very move).

re: 6. 6Qd4!
Indeed, that would justify the gambit.

Re: 23 ...Bf5, it's absolutely true what both @bas and @Caballo said, it's stupid I didn't even consider that. The reason I trade the bishop is that I believe the knight's position after 24. Nxf4 is extremely weak, he'll have to get that knight back again to activate it (which he does at some point).

basvanopheusden (2176 )
27 Mar 12 UTC

I don't really understand that. The knights on a4 and e2 were both not optimally placed. They could only really go to c3/c5, blocking the rook. At f4, the knight is not worse than at e2 I would say. It can go d3-e5, or d3-c5, or Nh5 can be inconvenient too. In any case, no reason to warrant giving up the bishop pair so easily.

All in all, it's a decent game. You played a solid set-up, and your opponent didn't know how to counter your strategy. He had to play very actively and find cute tricks. He didn't, so he was forced onto the defense, and his defense skills weren't that good (which is probably why he played the Morra in the first place).

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24 Mar 12 UTC

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Sefl Defense...

Read it and weep, all you race-baiters out there (Obama included) who want to convict a guy before the facts are in simply because of the color of the so-called victim...

http://www.myfoxtampabay.com/dpp/news/state/witness-martin-attacked-zimmerman-03232012

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