Easy, Draugnar? Really?

Really, PPSC is easier. The same desire to stop the leader isn't there.

Exactly. Once you are down to 4 players, the biggest will likely win because second place will be happy to let him win as long as he keeps growing.

It is. I have had almost twice the solos in PPSC. I often find you can offer a smaller power second if you are the leader and that is all it takes to win.

In other words, getting big early isn't detrimental in PPSC because number two and soemtimes number three is there to help.

and i must say, ive never seen iceland yellow before. If only youed got iceland too!

But don't call it easy, you;re still playing 6 other people. If it was easy why haven't you all won more games?

Because I don't play PPSC.

I play the *real* game, that which is closest to the board game. Non-Anon WTA.

Right, but that still doesn't refute my point that it is not easy.

I find PPSC games harder for exactly the reasons you all call it easier.

Because people forget to think dynamically and they just stick to known alliances. You try something creative and people shout stabber and thats your game.

OK, so easier in some respects and harder in others.

If you are the big guy early (and I either go big or go home) then the end game becomes easier to pull off the victory. If you are the little guy, then it is harder to get the tools who are only interested in the points to stop the solo.

I'm sure Draug is right that it is easIER to outright solo in PPSC, for the reasons he's already stated. Still, something has to give in that tradeoff, and that something is that it's more difficult to draw. Really, this WTA attitude applied to PPSC grates on me - they are two different games, with different goals (or should I say, one of them has more room for secondary goals if a player feels he is unlikely to win).

To me this opens up more avenues for diplomacy once you're out front than WTA, which is, why I suspect, WTA players don't like it: they feel that a leading power should have LESS options, not more. I understand and respect that, but as I've mentioned before, the attitude doesn't apply in PPSC.

Still, I agree with the sentiment that a win in PPSC is "less difficult/valuable/remarkable," than a WTA win, but since the point system reflects that (and GR too: since draws are fewer the zero-sum is preserve, right?) so there is really no problem.

Agreed, YJ, but the point is, your bragging about the magnitude of impressiveness (is that a word) is ripe for derision due to the greatly reduced value of a win in PPSC compared to WTA. You have 3 PPSC wins and two survives, IIRC. Had these been WTA, you could brag, but bragging about the watered down PPSC wins... It's bad enough you are tooting your own horn, but you are doing so about something as unimpressive as PPSC wins. I just had to bust your chops. :-)

Haha I've been ranting on like that since I came here though, lol c'mon Draug all the other vets have gotten used to it by now (note the marked lack of, "STFU YJ you aren't that good in fact you suck" compared to some of my earlier posts).

Just going to point out that there are plenty of people with a win/draw ratio better then 60% yellow. And those people don't only play in games with players they feel comfortable playing against.

True, but how many are there with a win ratio of 60 % and no defeats? Don't try to make the stats sound worse than they are. There's plenty of room for criticism of my play based on fact, no need to pull out garbage like that.

Oh, and the "people I feel comfortable with" have handed me my only two survives, so yeah, again....

Yellow, you said it was flawless. Your stab was really bad. Any player truly wanting to be flawless, would have capitalized on Russia much sooner than you did, you just need to be creative in your reasoning. If you're up for it, I'd love to have a game with you. PPSC if you'd like.

Congrats Yellojacket. It is such a good feeling winning. There was a time once when I used to win the occasional game, now the best I can manage is a draw. Sometimes I feel like I'll never win a game again. How the hell does anyone win this game against strong oppponents?

Yes, Scmoo, a stab resulting in an uncontested win is just *terrible* Now, ignoring that obvious load of horse hockey, I'll move forward with the knowledge that you are a far more experienced player who probably knows many tactics and techniques that I don't.

My line of thinking in delaying as long as I did was as follows: Russia was no real danger to me as he was totally absorbed in the north, and in a position with England that makes it very difficult for either of them to advance and become a threat to me. This frees me up to swallow Italy then France at my leisure. Meanwhile I remained well positioned to make him bleed if I felt he was about to change his mind and look south. So allow me to learn at the feet of the master: in what season would you have done it, and why?

lol spyman you'll get back there mate... just study my moves and learn what you can.

YJ nice job. Winning 3 out of 5 is not easy for anyone to do. May your first defeat be a long time coming!

"lol spyman you'll get back there mate... just study my moves and learn what you can."
really...and thread muted.

1. It wasn't a load of horse hockey? I never said it was terrible. I just said it was bad, as in not executed as well as it could have. If you notice, the year? earlier you had positioning on Rumania, which would have allowed a move into Budapest for the triple build, giving you an army in Con, an army in Smyrna, and fleet in Ankara. That giving you positioning on Sev, Rum, and Vienna exactly 1 more earlier, and there would have not been anything he could have done to stop it. I'll just give you the credit for the win, as you did earn it. And you never answered me.

Do you want to get a game going, I'd love to play against you.

yes. the stronger the players you play the less wins you get.

jmo: I thought you were good at picking up sarcasm :P ... guess not.

Scmoo: maybe you're right. More foresight could have finished it off a season sooner. But that's why I'm not ready to play you yet :) don't worry, I'll be happy to hand you (slowly) when the time comes.

Jacob: thanks man.

@YJ - Set up a passworded game and I'll play as long as it's full press. I prefer non-anon WTA but will play anon and/or PPSC if we must.