Glad you're not in a position of power. I suspect you're the type who'd want to bomb all the places Isis is located following that logic.

Did I say bombing anyone? No, I don't even oppose disaster relief, although I think it should come with some requirements for flood planning and carbon emission reductions.

And yes, when a majority stands for Jim Crow, or something similar, then that majority is responsible, and when their shit bites them in the ass, one can't help but hope the wake up (they won't of course). You're asking me to have sympathy for people who have actively worked to make life worse for billions. That's absurd.

If I were to adopt your logic, I guess you'd decline to go to war against Nazi Germany because a lot of Germans opposed the holocaust so you couldn't really hold Germany responsible for what the government was doing.

In actual related news, apparently California does rate higher than Puerto Rico. Trump declared a disaster, which is helpful.

I certainly wouldn't declare every German had it coming to them and that I felt no sympathy for them and that every single German deserved it.

You're just an awful person. Why am I engaging with you. Bye.

Which I also didn't. But hey, feel free to say bye to your imaginary friend who said the things I didn't.

I'd say you're an awful person for defending people who want to play fast and lose with the fate of billions of people. I guess they're "many fine people" in that crowd

Gotta love conservatives. So many of them are so dim witted they fail at reading comprehension and then get all offended by things that they didn't understand correctly. It's like watching cats getting scared of their own hallucinations.

You need serious help dude. The world is so black and white to you. They're either absolutely evil or near perfect. I hope your inability at seeing nuance doesn't hurt too many people in your life.
(Inb4 'but they all racist!')

Bye for real this time.

Lol. My home is just about to go up in smoke because a lot of ignorant assholes blocked action to prevent it because they were stupid, self-centered and greedy. I'm supposed to sit around coddling their damn egos? What they need is something that would get me silenced


Here is a clue: fuck with people enough and there will be justifiable anger. I don't say anyone is perfect, but there are a lot of very shitty people in this country. And you're defending them

You need some help, dude

And I'm thinking something an old school grandpa would do involving a belt and a woodshed

We re talking about wiling half of humanity and half the species off the face of the earth if we are lucky and you want to talk about nuance? Did you want to talk nuance as to whether Auschwitz was fucking evil too?

There's a difference between nazis and conservatives.

Shocking for you I'm sure.

Well, since you are more interested in snide comments, there is probably no point.

You're (probably intentionally) missing the point. Sure, the two groups are different. The key point is that groups of people who espouse and enact ideologies that hurt large numbers of people can rightly be blamed for the consequences of those actions, even if some of their neighbors strongly disagree. People didn't condemn the Nazis because of their taste in clothes but because their ideology, which they put into horrible practice, hurt a lot of people because of their commitment to racist ideas. People condemn ISIS and Al Qaeda because the hurt innocent people because of their over weaning commitment to religious ideas. People condemn Mao and the Soviets for hurting innocent people out of a commitment to a political ideology. You understand this far, yes?

Furthermore, when the Nazis got attacked or ISIS gets bombed, few plead for sympathy for them or suggest we need to understand their positions with nuance

American conservatives similarly hurt a lot of innocent people, because of their overbearing commitment to economic and political ideologies. So, that can rightly be condemned. Furthermore, when the consequences of their actions actually backfire and hurt these same conservatives, are we suddenly supposed to have sympathy for them or look at their position with nuance? To contrive an example, it's a bit like suggesting we should have sympathy for the victims of an industrial accident when the accident is the release of a lot of poison gas killing a bunch of Nazis in the course of moving the gas to Auschwitz or something.

In other words, if people take actions that they know will hurt many many people, they're not in a position to beg sympathy when the consequences blow back onto them.

"My home is just about to go up in smoke because a lot of ignorant assholes blocked action to prevent it because they were stupid, self-centered and greedy."

And yet you showed zero sympathy for everyone in Texas and Florida because you stereotyped them all in one broad brush based on nothing more than the location they chose to live.

But of course those in Sonoma, Napa and Marin county got all those multi million dollar homes by not being self centered and greedy?

There are greedy and self centered people everywhere of every political belief. Not just the ones you oppose.

You spew more hate on these forums than almost anyone else and turn around and try and claim the moral high ground.

Fail.

I just read this whole thread. Are you kidding me? I'm a conservative so therefore, given- I am evil. But, in my mind, if my house was REALLY about to burn up. I would be getting my ass out and doing something useful, not typing on a keyboard.

Sonoma, Napa and Marin counties? oh heck they are all rich. they can just write a check from their kids college funds and rebuild, right ogion? or should we send the fetish military in to help with the disaster in nocal? nah. military assistance is for suckers like the VI or PR.

oh, i know lets take that bullet train money, you know gerry browns fetish project, and use that to rebuild. or should we use it to fix the oroville dam...hey, lets open the oroville dam and let the waters flood over to Sonoma, Napa and Marin counties and put out the fire. can't be too far away right ogion. they are practically next door

Yall are really fucked up people.

That of course, is a complete fabrication, KansasBoyd. You might follow Flum's advice and learn to understand nuance. I've been aiming my ire at the climate change deniers involved for having created bad conditions for everyone that just happened to kick them in ass, too, just this once.

First, a lot of people who got burned out are working people and ranchers and farmers. So stick that little stereotype where the sun don't shine. Second, many of those who are rich didn't do it by intentionally working to harm other people. One can earn a lot of money in all kinds of beneficial ways, that's the point.

@Flashy, if you're blocking climate action, then yeah, you kind of are evil. If the shoe fits, wear it. This business of "yeah, i'll do shit that hurts people, but don't criticize me for it" is utterly nonsensical.

But sure, talk a blue streak about "responsibility" and then refuse to take any yourself. Classic.

And I can't do much, because I'm evacuated to about 100 miles away. I think my house will be ok though.

And Bo, what I am is fed up to the gills with watching innocent people get killed, beautiful things be destroyed, and the future get flushed down the drain by a heap of stupidity and complacency. Frankly, you ought to read Letter from a Birmingham Jail and read in particular King's commentary on "white moderates."

Evil conservative voice chipping in, legitimately hoping that Ogion's home is spared.

"First, a lot of people who got burned out are working people and ranchers and farmers. So stick that little stereotype where the sun don't shine. Second, many of those who are rich didn't do it by intentionally working to harm other people. One can earn a lot of money in all kinds of beneficial ways, that's the point."

The same applies to Texas and Florida.

Only those states vote red so you spew the hate casting everyone in the same boat.

Not a fabrication at all.

And for the record, I don't want to see anyone's home burnt. Rich, poor, right or left.

Just pointing out double standards.

You're completely ignoring the point of course and drawing an utterly false comparison. Yay false equivalencies!

Here is the deal. A lot of these people voted and work to block doing anything about climate change. They then get hammered by hurricanes made worse by climate change made worse by their actions.

Sonoma and Napa, in a 180 degree contrast have collectively take a lot of action to combat climate. Ha he that has also made these fires worse

And you're claiming they're equallt at fault because some people in California are rich? Is that supposed to make sense?

Lee draw an analogy. Some idiot is paying around with matches and starts a fire. His house burns down in the fire, your house burns down in the fire and some guy who has worked to reduce the fire danger has his burned down. According to you, all three deserve equal sympathy, even the irresponsible guy who started the fire in the first place?

"Here is the deal. A lot of these people voted and work to block doing anything about climate change. They then get hammered by hurricanes made worse by climate change made worse by their actions. "

Quite the assumption.

But go right ahead and double down on your double standards.

Florida only had a 75% voter turnout.

So right off the top a quarter of the state didn't even vote.

In the last presidential election Trump won by less than 2%.

In 2012 and 2008 Florida voted for Obama.

Also in 2016 Rubio got only 52% of the vote of the 75% that voted.

But you have no problems seeing the 25% who didn't vote and the close minority who voted the way you think they should vote suffer devastation.

How is that a double standard?