Define "perfect"

Ummm.... right back at you, OP?

see how eden had to ask for a definition? how embarrassing. only an imperfect person would do that.

Ultimately I think everyone learns to realise that the magnificence of being human largely is derived from being able to appreciate imperfections more than perfections eh? Especially in each other.

is largely*

@bullshoi
I'm sorry you don't understand, but given our past interactions, I suspect you don't actually care and are just looking to waste my time. This conversation is considered resolved.

"magnificence of being human"

I'll have some of what you're smokin.

Perfect- to bring to fulfilment or full development. An attempt to provide an example, Secretariat's Belmont victory.

"fulfillment" or "full development" as defined how, and by whom?

i'm sorry eden, but when you are perfect, you just know it. i can't explain it to someone so imperfect.

@bullshoi
I'm sorry you don't understand, but given our past interactions, I suspect you don't actually care and are just looking to waste my time. This conversation is considered resolved.

The perfect human would never be so arrogant to admit he is perfect. Indeed, when asked if he is perfect he is almost certain to reply "absolutely not". I also don't understand what is so wrong about judging people. I don't know a single person who doesn't make these judgements, although I know plenty who hold the bizzare notion that it is somehow wrong to do this. What nonsense! To judge is human, and to pretend that you never do is simple denial. It's the quality of your judgements that can cause problems, not the judging itself.

Mind you, that's only my opinion... And am I perfect?

Absolutely not.

is this some kind of joke "someone who is perfect would say absolutely not" "am i perfect? absolutely not" i'm sorry but it's not bolshoi-level humor.

and the problem with judging is that most people are stupid and are judging incorrectly. the most embarrassing thing to see is when someone legitimately criticizes someone else thinking how much smarter he is than the other, when he's actually wrong but doesn't know it.

maybe the word legitimately is wrong, what i mean is he is not joking but actually trying to criticize the person.

"Define "perfect"" - PE
Definition of perfect person: Tettleton's Chew

If she's fully developed and I'm fulfilled, that's perfect.

^We have a winner.

@Octavious -- I totally agree with you about judging others. There are some in this world (and here...which I consider a place apart from the real world! lol) that think it is somehow wrong to judge, which is ridiculous. On the one hand, we are told (typically by teh people telling us not to judge others) that so-and-so makes too much money, that this is unfair or that is unfair, etc...OR...the people telling us not to judge are "christians", whom, while they are told to not judge, are *certainly* told (Hebrews) to encourage one another daily to protect them from (their) sin...i.e. look at where some dumbass keeps screwing up and encourage him not to, which is a subtle form of judging.

Go ahead...judge me...help me to be a better person. If I'm mature, I'll take the truly constructive criticism and become a better person. As for the rest of you, I'll just tell you to fuck off.

By the way - I'm perfect, no doubt about it, because I am currently in the exact state that the Universe has declared I should be (be it an accident of the Big Bang, or the "Will of God"...) I can reallybe nothing other than what I currently am...therefore this collection of atoms is perfect.

I make a conscious effort to not judge others, because it is hardly ever fair to judge others under any circumstances.

Personally, I believe that no human can ever be *perfect* if *perfect* is defined as being the best at literally everything. I also believe that no human can ever reach their full potential. Everyone has flaws that hold them back and cannot be remedied. That being said, I do think that perfection in terms of reaching your full potential should be every human's goal.

The Oxford English Dictionaries definition.

Is it constructive to judge others instead of focusing on your own faults? Shouldn't an individual direct their efforts towards self-improvement? Neglecting a focus on self-improvement to criticize the actions of others as long as they don't directly affect you seems to be a waste of precious time, and life is finite. it seems self-defeating to tell someone they have a splinter in their eye when the speaker has a log in their's. The art of self-examination and humility seems neglected today. The Oxford English Dictionary was the source for the definition posted earlier. Apologies to the grammar police for dictionaries instead of dictionary's.

I'm present perfect.

I'm future perfect.

I have been pluperfect.

Had*

You clearly aren't perfect...

Bah. Don't want to be Perfect, anyway. He was just a man with a big chin who was spurned by Penelope Pitstop in favour of seven dwarf hoodlums...

I'm so imperfect it would be hubris to say I'm imperfect--but Jesus loves me anyway. :-)

Judge others or not judge others....eee gads...put away the feeeeeeelings and join reality. You are judged *all* the time whether you like it or not; the only difference is whether or not those judging you have the balls to say it to your face. Everyone that reads your posts judges you, whether or not they reply, they form an opinion.

Particularly in the work place, in life relations (spouses, adult-child, etc) you are and will be judged. I'd rather my boss judge me to my face and help me improve instead of just firing me one day because I was *unaware* of my weakness and therefore was unable to self-improve.

No-one can obtain their full potential? Then it wasn't their full potential...you are what you are.

As for "self-improvemetn"...eeee gads (again...)...as I hinted at before, sometimes you are unaware of just how much you need improving. That is why having someone help you see where you need improvement is critical.

Judging: Get grades, being declared a winner in sports, being awarded a merit raise, hell just getting a job instead of another candidate, making a sports team through try-out, etc.

Grow up, people, and put aside this silly liberal notion that judging others is bad...because the truth is it is a *constant* in almost every aspect of your life.

Those of you that cliam to *NOT* judge....so you are friends with *everyone* that passes through your life? Or do you choose your friends, who you will hang out with...you know...JUDGE?

So how do we all judge krellin?

Oh, you all judge me rather continuously....duhhhh... You judge me quite harshly at times, in fact. Bring it on...I live in Reality-ville and understand that human being judge one another, despite their ridiculous assertions to the contrary.

Folks,
Seriously, lay off krellin. He was a lot of things before his hiatus, but he's been sane since he's been back. Judge him all you want, but do it based on what he does now, not what he has done before.

@zultar - Thanks...but I encourage those that claim not to judge to demonstrate their utter hypocrisy by attempting to lambaste me now. It's hilarious!

For that matter...I will give some credit to the WebDip community for judging me before and helping me recognize how low I was sinking. YOUR judgement helped me be a better person. Get it? Those that don't judge / don't want to be judged....those are the ones that thinks they are perfect as they are, or are afraid of the truth, I suspect...

What one says matter, but how one says it is also important. I have no issues with cursing or arguments getting heated, but I dislike it when we start cursing for the sake of cursing and start throwing epithets around just for the hell of it.

^Dang zultar I love it when that happens.

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If we all took care of our own problems first we might be able to help other better when they asked for help. Priorities matter. Dwelling on the first person seems counterproductive. If a point of view or argument contains truth it doesn't need a "I" or "me." When an argument or a point relies on personal experience it doesn't strengthen the argument or idea it weakens it.

Are you so narrow-minded that you can only focus on yourself, and not the entire world around you? I can self-improve but also help raise my children, for example.

And raising children is the *perfect* example of judging for the better of others, even when you, yourself, are terribly flawed. I don't let my daughters get away with a lie simply because I have told a lie, and might lie tomorrow. You don't judge others based upon yourself, you judge yourself and others based up *principals*....but, there's the bad word to so many...."principals". <GASP!> The idea that there are principals that *might* even be universal is abhorent to many who have been raised in our morally relativistic society in which anything goes.

I defy any of you to raise a child without judging...and I defy any of you to claim you were raised without ever being judged.

bolshoi, who do you think you are.

You can easily raise your child by saying don't worry about what other people do worry about what what you do. Don't worry about what other people think of you worry about doing your best and doing the right thing. If you can instill this in your child they will have a long, satisfying life.

Telling your child what to or not to think abut other people is beside the point. When you child LIES, you judge them, tell them their behavior is BAD and correct it. When you child steals, you tell them...JUDGE them...and correct them. When they start fights. when they get bad grades...don't wash...

Emac, clearly you know just about nothing about raising a child. I *judge* and correct my children on a daily basis. I **ALSO** tell them not to worry about what other people think of them....but I sure as hell do tell them to examine who they hang out with and make correct decisions about who their peers will be.

Anyone saying "You can easily raise your child" followed by what they feel is a legitimate suggestion for an easy way to raise your child has never raised children.

Krellin is absolutely correct here.

Telling children not to worry about what other people are doing and only worry about what you do is the best advice you can give a child. Whenever your child says, Jimmy did this or Suzy did that simply look them in the eye and say it doesn't matter what Jimmy or Suzy do. You need to worry about what you. Raising a child and giving a child guidance and correction isn't being judgemental. Appeals to personal experience and I and me always weaken an argument or point. The basic point is that individuals are much better off focusing on introspection and self-improvement than they are negleting self-improvment to judge the actions of other. Basically the people they pass judgement on ignore them so those being judgemental accomplish nothing. They did not improve themselves or anyone else.

Of course giving a child direction and guidance is judging them! Telling them "Your BEHAVIOR is WRONG....STOP that and DO THIS..." is the very definition of judging!

For that matter, if every kid in the class thinks you are an arrogant asshole...they are probably right, you probably are, and if you want to get along with anyone, listening to other is *sometimes* a very valuable lesson!

Very curious how old you are, Emac....I've got a number in mind and like any carnival showman, I'll bet I can guess it within 3 years either way...

People have some inaccurate notions of what being judgemental is. Do you tell your son to tell another boy it isn't right for him to wear a pink shirt? That is passing judgement. Telling a Muslim they are wrong for refusing to eat a ham sandwich is being judgemental. Being judgemental is making moral judgements about the actions of others.

Imperfect, I only have one sex

Emac, Webster's dictionary defines 'judgement' as "...the forming of an opinion,estimate, notion,or conclusion,as from circumstances presented to the mind." As per that definition, I'd say krellin has a very accurate notion of what 'being judgmental' is.

The Oxford English Dictionary offers numerous definitions of judgement. The most relavent to the concept of being judgemental of others is this definition- the
pronouncing of a deliberate opinion upon a person or thing, or the opinion pronounced; criticism; censure. To criticize others instead of focusing on yourself seems counterproductive and a waste of time which is finite. The OED defines judgemental as-Involving the exercise of judgement; inclined to make moral judgements.