If that's your aim, it seems like it'd be more efficient to put it up on the Pirate Bay or something.

if you think this is the only place I've offered it you would be mistaken.

I just thought that some of the members of this site would like to enrich themselves

guess not

I'd appreciate a copy.

My e-mail is [email protected]

I'll have a copy thanks Sicarius. [email protected]

Can you convert it to text? My internet connection is too slow to download an entire book as a pdf.

My email is in my profile.

Send a copy my way too please: [email protected]

Also for a great RL example of the book's lesson see Tibet

Sorry, it needs a book to tell me that if I want to keep things how they are I shouldn't go around fire-bombing people's houses?

TheGhostmaker +1

(We all know where this is going. Don't do it or I'll do something you won't like. Believe me.)

I don't know, how about kestasjk +1?

all who asked for it should have it now.

aoe3rules
sorry man, its a pdf.
I would have to type it all out which I'm pretty unwilling to do.

anyone else who wants it is welcome to it
just give me your email

I'll pass on the book for now. I'm interested in the 70-hour phases game that you started, though. Are you worried by the player who started a profile less than a week ago and dumped all 100 points into your game?

I'm not too worried about it right now. I'll just see how it develops. you want to play?


if you reconsider on the book let me know ok teach?

I'll think about the game. There is still some time before it closes. If someone beats me to it, so be it.

As for the book, I usually get some pleasure reading in during the summer. I just tread water during the school year.

it's a pretty short book.
good though.

oh I heard there was a greek solidarity march in toledo you hear anything about that?

http://news.infoshop.org/article.php?story=20081220145242630

I must have missed it. There was some bad weather that day. Every school in the region was closed. I was hunkered down with my family at home.

please send me your book!!

il take a copy please sic

alright you two should have it, check your emails. if you dont have it let me kow and I'll resend it.

spyman and friends, did you get it?

trim, I guess I cant send it to you

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What is it that makes the book worth reading? You haven't said much about it other than that its 'informative'.

it's called "how no-violence protects the state"
and thats pretty accurate descriptor

Yes, I understand what its about. But what did you gain from reading it? Is it well written? Is it a series of straw-man arguments against peaceful demonstations? Is it well researched? Will I only find it interesting if I intend to participate in violent protests?

omg!! this book actually says that nonviolence is a bad thing! but i believe in jesus...?

What the Ghandi.

Hey Sicarius I got your book. I sent you some reading material too. Maybe you didn't get my email.
I have read the first chapter. He makes some valid points. For example, he points out the threat of violence from some groups in India during the fight for independence made the British more inclined to want to deal with Gandhi, as he represented an alternative. Had that threat never existed then perhaps the British have not been so concerned or so interested in dealing with Gandhi.
This does not mean I agree with violence by anarchist groups in America.

alamothe, the book does not say that non-violence is a bad thing. The author argues that it should not be considered the only option. His ideas about violence are not that radical. Most governments operate according to similar principles. What was that Teddy Roosavelt said? "Speak softly and carry a big stick"
The question that anarchists have to ask themselves though, is it going to be an effective strategy for them. Most times when protest groups get violent (in Australia anyway) it does not help the further their aims. Rather it serves to further alienate the mainstream.

I think the lack of efficacy of most protests and various alternative causes stems mostly from the fact that nearly all of their functions are based around promoting "awareness". People love awareness. I'm sure that awareness is indeed important, but I think that more emphasis should be placed on action rather than awareness... But I don't think that the action needs to be violent, it just needs to be action. The efficacy of action doesn't inherently depend on whether it's violent or not, there are many other factors, and I think the accuracy of the action is a big one.

To paraphrase something I read somewhere... We can all be very aware and pack all of our garbage into sorted and neat little containers and park it out on the curbs but the neighbourhood's cleanliness depends on the garbage man in the end. If he doesn't come around to pick up the garbage no amount of coming together for "awareness" is going to get the place any cleaner. You have to take action and address the garbage man or get someone else to be the garbage man.

If you want a corporation to devote 3% of their profits to developing more environmentally friendly practices you have to bring the issue to them. You can't just hand out pamphlets to people who won't read them. You have to go to the corporation and tell them what you tangibly plan to do to encourage them and what you're going to do if they don't. Sometimes it will be legal, sometimes it will be legal, sometimes it will be violent, sometimes it won't, sometimes it will require playing a part in the system, sometimes it requires being an outsider but it will be efficacious. That's not to say efficacy is the number one priority...

Non violence is effective when the people acting are useful and not just nuisances. Violence won't even be that effective if you're not that useful... not unless you plan to use a lot. Sic, if a bee stings you, do you swat it? Or do you bend to it's will? What if a small dog bites you? What if a fucking gorilla grabs you? I don't think the anarchy movement is a gorilla at this point, I'm not even sure that it's a small dog... So I'm not sure how well you think this violence thing is going to work for your cause...

hey spyman can you give me say... 5 examples of american anarchists being violent

I havnt checked my email yet I'll do that.


I dont know about you chris, but I've never been stung by a single bee. and I usually swat and kill them immediatly if I can. but theres so goddam many of them....

oh the jared diamond one yeah I got it. the name thing confused me.

Sicarius, sorry I didn't mean to sully the good name of anarchism in America. I was responding to the book you suggested I read which advocates violence. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't seen to be endorsing this view.

Okay five violent american anarchists. Here is a small sample:

Leon Czolgosz who assasinated President William McKinley
Theodore Kaczynski, the unibomber (many of his ideas could be considered anarchist).
Luigi Galleani, leader of the violent anarchist group known as the Galleanists, who were responsible for a series of bombings in 1919.
Emma Goldmen and who is considered one of the founders of North American Anarchism.
Ashanti Alston of the Black Panthers, who is also known as the @narchist panther.

Plus there are plenty of radical groups who may not have been necessarily avowed anarchists per say but perhaps share similar ideas such as the Weathermen and the Symbionese Liberation Army.