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Sicarius (673 D)
25 Apr 08 UTC
Television
I am earnestly curious as to your thoughts on t.v.
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flashman (2274 D(G))
29 Apr 08 UTC
Polemically Postured Pompous Personal Promotion...
Can play this game too?

In solemn declaration, I myself personally hereby vow to sesquipedalianise and, through such verbositisation, expose the inverse correlation linking the challenged status of my clarityism, maturityism, originalitysm and hopeless belief in the misuse of abstract noun-strings (ismtyism) to that of my interlect...

Please do not respond. I promise not to add to this thread.

Unless you force me.

I will stop now.

I really will.

I might start another thread though.

It is important that my work be read seriously.

I really do not know why my tutors could not appreciate it, but I will not use the conspiracy word.

And I do not keep looking at my mobile...

Yours,

Richard Head
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Ayerza (1185 D)
02 May 08 UTC
New 80 pt game
Need 6 more for this game to start! Join please! :)

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3752
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
02 May 08 UTC
Ken or Boris
If Boris was Austria and Ken was Germany, who would win a game?
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flashman (2274 D(G))
02 May 08 UTC
A draw has been offered in the game Revelstone...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3412

I offer the two other remaining players the chance to accept a draw and await their signatures below...

This offer will lapse when the next move is due.
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Sicarius (673 D)
01 May 08 UTC
Team game
I'm thinking england germany and russia on a team, turkey ausria and italy on a team, and france alone. open to suggestions though. just want to play one.

please dont flood the thread
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Sicarius (673 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
the global food crisis
what do you think are it's causes, and what are some possible solutions?


also what role do you think biofuels play in the crisis
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Giramondo (100 D)
30 Apr 08 UTC
China and the West
Since people here are politically aware, allow me to pose this question: in the current climate what would you do as China's leaders, regarding recent events?
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
02 May 08 UTC
Map Bug
Just a minor issue, but if you disband a fleet in a dual coast province the explosion doesn't cover the fleet. eg:
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3342
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positron (1160 D)
02 May 08 UTC
Probable bug in Fleet movement along a coast.
See http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3595

Fleet at North Coast of Spain moved to Portugal
Fleet at Portugal moved to South Coast of Portugal.

Both moves failed.

Kestas, please help.
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Puddle (413 D)
01 May 08 UTC
New Game
Hello Everyone, I have just joined the site and have created a game to get a fell for the system, so if you are very competitive please do not join,but if you are willing to join a casual game then please join.
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Ed Poon (100 D)
01 May 08 UTC
*Warning* -- Teammates at work
If anyone enters a game that includes both Yakulu and Yosheekee, they work as a team. They've played in three games together and in every one they've done it. (Kiss Diplo - 01, Alex Ovechkin is Golfing Now & jesus wore a poncho) Three straight games is not a coincidence.

Don't accuse them of being one person though, they get very upset about that.
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
01 May 08 UTC
Remove password for game LordsOfWar
I have just created a game and made a mistake by entering a password but. I would like to remove it to let the game to everybody.

Thanks
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
01 May 08 UTC
Remove game LordsOfWar
Hi Kestas
I have just created a game and made a mistake by entering a password . Can you can this game ?.
Thanks
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Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
a personal declaration
I declare, after much thought and introspection, my deliberate emancipation from participation in empty consumerism, and in the society that perpetuates it. The same society that mendaciously and injudiciously prioritizes practices that are wasteful, contradictory, and wholly detrimental, that is intolerable to any ideas which break civilizations circular reinforcement of the illusion of it's own importance, and is hostile to those who harbor them, that shortsightedly persists with the intentional, wanton destruction of finite natural resources and biodiversity, exploiting the limited carrying capacity of the Earth and knowingly leading us to a disastrous end. I have decided to secede from this culture of conformity and materialism, because acceptance of its principles leads to inclusion in a tragedy of the commons on a massive scale, and to the destruction of individualism, liberty, self-reliance and free thought. I refuse to unthinkingly accept the idea that our current civilization is both necessary and inevitable, but to always stay true to my convictions and beliefs, and to remain as free as I can of the harmful influence of our society. I will endeavor to inform others of the unfavorable outcomes of materialism, industrialization, idolization, globalization, ethnocentrism, objectification, conformity, and government, because it is my hope that by informing the populace, the abolition of these philosophies can be accomplished without violence and anarchy. I will remove myself, to the best of my ability, from a lifestyle that I no longer believe in or desire.
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Vampiero (3525 D)
30 Apr 08 UTC
for kestas
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3271#orders

why cant i retreat my fleet in spain (south) to the mid-atlantic. i thought in the correct rules u are allowed to retreat to a place that was stalemated during the movement phase.
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canute (0 DX)
30 Apr 08 UTC
Suspicious game!!!!!
Karaganda Spring 1901, Pre-game
End of phase: 14 hours
Points-per-supply-center
Pot: 600
Players:

DIVONICH (0)
Aleppo (0)
Avenger (0)
ZiyiZhang (0)
Driver (0)
Klaatuu (0)
Join this game for 100 points


Whats the deal with all players using their 100 pts...
looks as tho thety are all the same player? or a stacked game?
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Jerkface (1626 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Eurocentrism
The game of Diplomacy is certainly Eurocentric but what are our opinions on other forms of Eurocentrism? I don't mean to go into the territory of "racism" although we could possibly explore "racialism". Should white people (and other people) try to resist a Eurocentric outlook on life?
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Rayevynn (100 D)
01 May 08 UTC
Fun to be had
There is mention of cake...
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3738
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sean (3490 D(B))
19 Apr 08 UTC
AI and Diplomacy
Has anybody played the PC diplomacy game? i heard there is a new version out.
i played one about 3 or 4 years ago. graphics and interface were quite nice but it had one huge draw back... too bloody easy. for example on the hard setting as Austria ..... you would win almost every time.

how is the new one if anybody knows?

and as a side question how would an AI do against a human do you think?
kestas and other code minded individuals have you ever thought about setting one up? would be quite cool of you to run one in php games. sure it may not be able to understand our jibberish and typo filled demands in the chat box but it could play on semi no press individual mode.
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Sicarius (673 D)
17 Apr 08 UTC
survival vs life
what do you think
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
22 Apr 08 UTC
The Nature of Life
What is life? When does it begin? What purpose does it serve? Is it in any way sacred or sanctified?
Possible tangents include:
Abortion, war, genocide, eugenics, euthanasia, assisted suicide, social Darwinism, ethics, theism, and many more!
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Wombat (722 D)
24 Apr 08 UTC
Has Pandora gone?
Just celebrating here... She seems to have gone CD in everything...
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Treefarn (6094 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
My phpDiplomacy wishlist
Here's my wishlist. I'm new here, so maybe these have been suggested:
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dangermouse (5551 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
More than a little suspicious...
Kestas, please take a look at the players involved in this game.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3478

It's possible either Ovjv or peta is innocent, but I highly doubt they both are.
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
30 Apr 08 UTC
Finalizing orders
If I have orders submitted but not finalized when the deadline passes, do those get processed, or do all my units hold?
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xgongiveit2ya55 (789 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Bug in game "Easy1"
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3524

I am Russia in this game.
I ordered the Baltic Sea to Berlin and ordered Prussia to support the move. Instead, both units just held. Is it too late to fix this, Kestas?
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monkthatgotfunk (100 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
New Player Needs Help
Hello everyone, i have just joined the site. I have never played diplomacy before, but i love the idea. I am a big fan of nomics, quo vadis, and other political/negotiation games (I would almost include risk in that category). I have read articles and descriptions of the game, and I believe I understand the basic rules. I don't want to to just jump in to a game and screw things up. What should I do? Is the there something i should read?
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El_Perro_Artero (707 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Hammer Throw
Quick survey so that I can win a bet: How far do you think Tiger Woods could hammer throw an average-weight newborn baby?

Let's solve this mystery once and for all. I won't say what I think, as that might give me an unfair edge in the bet.
menace3society (927 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
I don't think he could throw one at all. He just doesn't have it in him.
CountArach (587 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Yeah, I agree with menace. He is just too much of a coward to be able to throw a baby.
Feckless Clod (777 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Maybe if it was already dead....
Davetroll (100 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
57 feet if it was alive, 67 if dead.
dangermouse (5551 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
I disagree with Davetroll. It's a well known fact that bodies weigh more after death. Plus, Tiger's arms aren't that strong.

33 if dead, 36 if alive.
sean (3490 D(B))
26 Apr 08 UTC
not very far at all, golf is not a sport.
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
why is he hammer throwing a new born baby?
I'll guess 15 ft
dangermouse (5551 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Why wouldn't he hammer throw a baby?
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
well one, its a baby

two, that would require energy, and black people are lazy


;)
Feet? We couldn't measure in meters perhaps?
So we have about...
17.3m, 20.4m, 10.1m, 10.9m, 4.6m

Now, let me remind you all that Tiger Woods can bench 300lbs(136.1kg)
Tucobenedicto (100 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
I think a more pressing question is, how far could Michael Clarke Duncan throw a newborn baby?
Does the baby have rigo-mortis?
GuanShao (537 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Tiger Woods is not black.
Sicarius (673 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
well he's half black
I was just joking anyway

just figure it out using math
Feckless Clod (777 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
If it's dead, he could rearrange the body parts with a view to streamlining.
In fact, he could do that even if it's not dead, especially if he's not fussy about it staying not dead.
"just figure it out using math"
That's exactly the trouble, we were having trouble settling the matter using Biology and Physics. Believe me, I've done the math, but there are some variables that are just too difficult for me to deal with.
menace3society (927 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
If he's fussy about it staying not dead, I don't think he'll throw it at all.
CountArach (587 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
I just considered something - is he throwing it into a head wind or with a wind to his back or no wind at all?
no wind
slayero9 (147 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
wow you guys are gay i say 20m lol just answer the question
thewonderllama (100 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
I didn't write down all my references, hope that you guys can take me on my word for these

figures. Okay, here goes...

Some values gleaned from these here internets:
mass of Tiger's driver = 68 g
mass of an average human arm = 3.35 kg
speed of Tiger's swing = 125 mph = 55.88 m/s
mass of an average newborn = 3.4 kg
height of Tiger = 1.83 m
length of avg. arm = 1/2 height, so = 0.915 m
length of Tiger's driver = 45" = 1.143 m
length of chain used in hammer throw = 1.22 m
average shoulder height = 4/5 * height = 1.464 m

Just before contact with the ball, Tiger's driver head is travelling at 125 mph.

Presumably, Tiger would hammer throw the baby using one of those attrocious child leashes

which are likely around the same length as the chain used in the hammer throw and adding a

negligible amount of weight. Let us presume that, given the nature of a hammer throw

(wind up time, use of full body weight to generate torque, etc.), Tiger is able to provide

the same amount of rotational energy at the moment just before releasing the baby.

If we assume the rotational energy of his club (arm included) is equal to the rotational

energy of his baby on a leash (arm included), we can say that:

1/2*(m(arm)+m(club))*w(club)^2 = 1/2*(m(arm)+m(baby))*w(baby)^2

where w is angular velocity.

We note that:

w = v/r

where v is the velocity (perpendicular to the rotation) and r is the radius of rotation.

Therefore by substitution and dividing both sides by 1/2 (or multiplying both sides by 2

for the pedants out there):

(m(arm)+m(club))*v(club)^2/(l(arm)+l(driver))^2 =

(m(arm)+m(baby))*v(baby)^2/(l(arm)+l(chain))^2

Adding in the numbers because damn, is this getting hard to read:

(3.35 + 0.068) * 55.88^2 / (0.915 + 1.143)^2 = (3.35 + 3.4) * v(baby)^2 / (0.915 + 1.22)^2

solving for v(baby):

v(baby) = ((3.418 * 2.135^2 * 55.88^2) / (6.75 * 2.058^2))^(1/2)
v(baby) = 41.252 m/s

Now, it may be asked, well, what if the baby's alive and kicking and such? The answer is

simple: the centrifugal force being exerted on the baby will knock it clean out, so he'll

either be swinging one limp baby or one stiff baby (if it was deceased sufficiently long

before the throw attempt). For the purposes of this calculation, we'll be ignoring wind

resistance (it will be negligible for an object traveling at such a slow (comparatively)

speed and with such a small surface area, anyway), so limp or stiff won't matter much. If I find the time later, I'll do the

calculus required to include this in my calculations.

For optimum range, Tiger would want to throw the baby at a 45 degree angle. He'll release

it at the height of his swing, which would make it:

h(baby) = h(shoulder) + l(arm) * sin 45 degrees = 1.464 + (0.915 * sin 45) = 2.111 m

The range, R, can be determined by the following formula:

R = delta x = v(x, initial) * delta t + 1/2 * a(x) * (delta t)^2

since we're assuming no wind resistance (and so no acceleration in the x axis), this

simplifies to:

R = v(x, initial) * delta t

where: v(x, initial) = v(baby) * cos 45 = 29.170 m/s, and delta t is the time the baby

remains in the air.

To determine delta t, we look at the y axis:

delta y = v(y, initial) * delta t + 1/2 * a(y) * (delta t)^2

Now considering that: delta y = h(final) - h(initial) = h(ground) - h(baby) = 0 - 2.111 =

-2.111 m, a(y) = g = -9.8 m/s^2, and v(y, initial) = v(baby) * sin 45 = 29.170 m/s:

-2.111 = 29.170 * delta t + 1/2 * -9.8 * (delta t)^2

using the quadratic:

delta t = 3.012 s

plugging that back in to our first equation:

R = 29.170 * 3.012 = 87.86 m

Now for comparison (and to see how valid our number probably is):

The current world record for the hammer throw is 86.74 m. Oh my, Tiger Woods would set a

world record! He's *so* in the wrong profession.

Okay, not really. The hammer throw event uses a ball with a weight of 7.257 kg, a bit

more than double the weight of the average newborn, so all is still right in the world,

and I think the numbers still make a good amount of sense.

For any that are interested, I put a better typeset version of this at: http://www.llamanation.org/tigerwoods.
thewonderllama (100 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Damn! Foiled by ugly word wrap!
ednos (529 D(S))
29 Apr 08 UTC
That is awesome. You really whipped the llama's ass.
wonderllama, that's incredible that you took the time to do this! Excellent physics there. Overall, you answered the question beautifully. I declare you the winner of life.
thewonderllama (100 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
heh, i still enjoy a good physics problem from time to time. so who won the bet?
figlesquidge (2131 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Haha, that was great. I was just reading through the thread wondering if anyone had tried to solve it using basic particle mechanics, then i collided with your post.
The next one for someone to work out is if the angular momentum of the baby moving at that sort of speed would be enough to break whatever was holding it to the leash. Certainly it would have to go round the chest, as to a wrist would just dislocate the arm. Then even if he flew the baby would be spinning back at him.

Still, thats a very interesting thread, well worth the read. Now, Champions League semi-final here I come!
figlesquidge (2131 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Oh, just to add: he's really not in the wrong profession - he's the richest sportsman in the world, 2th richest celebrity according to Forbes, well clear of any other sports stars.
Source: http://www.forbes.com/2007/06/14/best-paid-celebrities-07celebrities_cz_lg_0614celeb_land.html
thewonderllama (100 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Alright, I'll bite, fig.

Let's assume the leash is made of 1 inch (0.0254 m) thick nylon. Nylon has a tensile strength of 45 MPa (45 x 106 N/m^2). Given the length given above, that would mean that it would take 1,394,460 newtons of tension to break the leash. We can assume the leash is simply tied around the baby's chest with a secure slipknot, as clearly the child's welfare is not of Tiger's concern.

The point in the swing that would have maximal tension in the leash would be when the baby is in the low part of the swing (remember that he's swinging it at a 45 degree angle to maximize range). That means:

T = F(centripital) + N

where N = W(baby) cos 45 = m(baby) * 9.8 * cos 45 = 3.4 * 9.8 * cos 45.

Noting that:

F(centripital) = m(baby) v(baby)^2/r

where r = l(leash) + l(arm), we can say that:

T = 3.4 * 41.252^2 / (1.22 + 0.915) = 2710.011 N

This is well within the strength of the material and will not impede Tiger's thoughtless cruelty.
Well, we were both a considerable distance off, but I was the closest, so I guess I can expect to not have to finish any of my calculus homework. =)
figlesquidge (2131 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Sorry to be so difficult, and I don't expect an answer to this one, but the question I was actually asking was about breaking the baby not the leash!
Do you think the spine is that weak?


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sean (3490 D(B))
27 Apr 08 UTC
no press game, any takers?
if anyone is interesting in a no press game please post below
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