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murraysheroes (526 D(B))
08 Sep 14 UTC
Duel of the Fogeys
I'm looking for a new game, and after my last exasperating experience playing with the general population (a full-press game where nobody talked, I got teamed up on by my neighbors but still survived to the SIX-way draw) I'm looking for some new players. I think it would be fun to try and play with some people that fall into the age group of 30+. Aside from full-press with 2- or 3-day phases, I'd be open to any other combination of settings. Any takers?
34 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Sep 14 UTC
Americats
gameID=147198
Cats in America have to diplomacise like cats in any other country
4 replies
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
07 Sep 14 UTC
A Red Sun Rises
Much Multi blood has been spilled this night. For the next 3 days I will reimburse anyone who takes over an open spot in a game. However make sure to check the game messages first since some are scheduled to be cancelled tomorrow.
23 replies
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ssorenn (0 DX)
08 Sep 14 UTC
Gunboat.....
To love and hate it.......

I have the hardest time with gunboat....not to be able to cry out at the obvious, kills me.
7 replies
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Sep 14 UTC
Smokin'
https://33.media.tumblr.com/985377053842f53ec740732b8a75d4aa/tumblr_nbl3aoWN3W1ruw1vso1_500.gif

Good ole Indiana took a little while to catch on.
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Niakan (192 D)
09 Sep 14 UTC
My new 'Let's Play' Channel thing
Hey guys,

Figured I'd give it a go. Started out with Europa Universalis IV, and have two videos out so far.
1 reply
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Sep 14 UTC
NFL Pick 'em Week 1: Football is Back!
Getting this out the day before the start of the season, when the Packers will look to avenge the Fail Mary as they take on the -_- Super Bowl Seahawks (no! I'm NOT still bitter! Why do you ask?!) :p Elsewhere, Patriots/Dolphins, in a potential match-up between the present and future of the AFC East, another edition of Niners/Cowboys, Manning/Luck II on Sunday Night, and 4 Wild Card hopefuls on MNF, Lions/Giants and Chargers/Cardinals. Week 1...PICK 'EM!
22 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Sep 14 UTC
PUNS ARE A PLAY ON WORLDS
Catatatat is at 7/17 Cat dat hat is at 6/17
gameID=147056 Catatatat said the gun-wielding cat
gameID=147032 Ain't no cat in dat hat
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ssorenn (0 DX)
08 Sep 14 UTC
NON-ANON Games.....
who plays the country and who plays the player? you know some of you do the wrong one why?

Discuss-----
22 replies
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Sep 14 UTC
Definition of pessimism
I don't think there is one.
21 replies
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
07 Sep 14 UTC
How would you like to die?
We all have to die at some point. If you could pick the circumstances of your death, what would they be?
28 replies
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SuperFlyDaddio (113 D)
08 Sep 14 UTC
How to get off of a game youv'e been defeated in
I lost a game ot two and they still show up in "my games", i think because they are still active. Is there anything I can do to remove them from my list?
7 replies
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ANimac (360 D)
05 Sep 14 UTC
Lying Vs Diplomacy
What are your views on how you conduct negotiations with other players? Do you think lying is a necessary and important part of the game, or do you tell the truth all the time but mislead people, or do you have another method?
102 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Sep 14 UTC
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Sacrificing your nation
If youre down to the last few SCs and let a friend-nation take you over (cause basically dead) is fine by me, BUT i have seen people kill themselves right from the start because they don't like the country whom they are.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
01 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Israel stealing more West Bank land from the Palestinians
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29008045
Israel stealing another 1000 acres of land, apparently because 3 teenagers got killed in that area.
By that measure Israel would be giving up their country to the Gazans for the kids they have killed ..... dirty scum-sucking hypocrites.
155 replies
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Ogion (3882 D)
30 Aug 14 UTC
Alternative Color Schemes
So, one of the changes in the works may be a color scheme change. I'll be honest, I think our current one is ugly and people have trouble distinguishing Austra/Germany and Russia/Germany. So I've done a couple of mock ups
83 replies
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aklimkewicz (228 D)
07 Sep 14 UTC
Ancient Med gunboat, anonymous, one day phases, one player needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=147121
Password: gobbleitdown
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
04 Sep 14 UTC
To punish a douchebag
YJ needs your help, internet. See inside.
47 replies
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Ayreon (3398 D)
26 Jun 14 UTC
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Biggest Loser Game Tournament Situation...
What is the situation of this tournament?
160 replies
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AverageWhiteBoy (314 D)
05 Sep 14 UTC
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Is my name racist?
Hi, I'm AverageWhiteBoy. Y'all might have seen me around, doing things.

Have any of you caught a racist vibe from me? If the answer is "yes," I won't even be offended. I have no right to be. I am, after all, just an average white boy.
22 replies
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Sep 14 UTC
Where would one best try getting a humanitarian plan going that...
... may require international backing to succeed?
It's almost certainly not what you think at this point. For now, please don't ask why I ask, just answer the question. Where would you start trying to achieve such an ambitious thing?
20 replies
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Modern Diplomacy IX
Game: Rat i mir
Password: joinaosamse
6 replies
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SandgooseXXI (113 D)
06 Sep 14 UTC
(+1)
Hey bitches, it's my birthday
Celebrate me.
11 replies
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OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
31 Aug 14 UTC
(+1)
Color bars above indiv powers?
Interface question regarding the color bars next to a power's listing in a game.
5 replies
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Squigs44 (273 D)
05 Sep 14 UTC
Favorite Civilization of All Time
So I just started taking a World History of Civilization class, and we have been talking about various civilizations. I also am taking an Anthropology class in which we are talking about various cultures. So, what is your favorite civilization, and why??
27 replies
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Kofi1066 (796 D)
06 Sep 14 UTC
The just society is the society with the least amount of injustice
1 more player needed. Anonymous, public press. http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=146904
pssword id either spinitback or slamitdown (sorry, I can't remember)
Please join so we can kick this mother off
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Sep 14 UTC
What was the username of the guy who used to be an israeli soldier again?
He had a nice story that more or less started with how he used to be in the army and didn't like the destruction so made sure he got fired. The forum community sort of convinced him that he got some things wrong.
I'd like to ask him something. I suppose the odds are small but I can at least post this thread.
P.S. We really need a search function.
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LeonWalras (865 D)
06 Sep 14 UTC
48 hour full press WTA
Starting a thread for this one as forumites are marginally less likely to CD compared to randoms.

gameID=147079 password: courteney cox
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Sep 14 UTC
Things to do when the power is out
Need some ideas go!
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Socrates Dissatisfied (1727 D)
31 Aug 14 UTC
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EOG GR Challenge Game 2
EOGs for http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=144312, group two of one of the recent GR ratings. A 'fun', interesting back and forth game. I'll post my EOG soon.
So it was my first game back after my short hiatus away, and I got Austria. They’re one of my favourite countries to play, but you really need to watch out for mistakes, and with my little bit of rust I think that was a problem.

As always I tried to get on with all my neighbours, and to facilitate some kind of discord between the neighbours. The first year went well – I wasn’t invaded – but I made my first mistake of going to Venice. It was stupid, I didn’t really want to, but I felt the most important thing was to improve my relations with the eastern neighbours, and I had been pushed hard to move there.

In the second year I stabbed Turkey, I just felt that he was ripe for the taking, and it was the best time to get rid of him, given how hard the corner is to infiltrate. Couple that with Russia seeming to be preoccupied in the north, I thought I would then be able to sweep into the Purple bear, whilst I felt I had convinced Turkey to move in a way that would leave them fighting Russia too. England’s northern capitulation threw a real spanner in my proverbial works. Italy and I were still not getting on, and Germany was trying to play some kind of mediator, or so I thought.

Third year I felt I needed to make a move, Italy was growing, we didn’t get on, and I couldn’t have them turning around on me, so I moved to stab hard, hoping Russia would still be preoccupied by Turkey. Turkey weren’t too keen to work with me against Russia either. Russia’s move to Rumania scared me so much, and I made the amateur mistake of deciding to let it go. I think I did need to still stab Italy, but if I had blocked the stab, like I meant to, things would have been much better. Covering bud and Greece was the right move, but I thought, I’m f*cked if Russia stabs me, go for broke.

Obviously he stabbed me, and I was really pissed, and I thought, given Turkey’s actions, he was a real solo threat, especially when you coupled that with a split west. Given my rather precarious situation, I thought my death was doomed. Italy was, and continued, in my opinion, to be an immature baby, throwing his own game out of spite to me, Germany, it turned out, had pushed for my stab, and I obviously had no friends. I got on with France and England (my relations with France were part of the reason I stabbed Italy), but it wouldn’t save me. Noone else seemed to care about the threat, and Germany was being rather condescending. I thought if Russia didn’t become a real solo threat, I would fall under the pressure of the east and Italy (and Germany’s deciding to boss me around). I seriously was pushing at this point for a Russian solo threat for that reason. And spite.

I made myself available to him for that reason, and kept working with him, even though I couldn’t really stand him (and he got worse, like seriously, I don’t know why, but I ALWAYS hate bo when we play together). I knew a Russian stab was inevitable (and he was a patronising shit when it came), but my position was still awful. Fortunately for me, Russia was incompetent with his good position, alienating all friends, opening himself up to Germany and Turkey, and not using me to wreak the havoc I could have. I worked with Turkey in a junior role, and tried to keep getting on with the German, who I still wasn’t best friends with. Italy was still being a pain. France was coming east and I was a bit perturbed that I would still be knocked out.
France made mistakes with Germany, who used the fighting throughout the board to grow into a leviathan, and once France moved out of the way Germany became a real threat, which was great for me, given that I thought I would be out to the F/G/T. Turkey and I, with Germany, sorted out the Russian (yay, vengeance!), and Italy finally died. France was striving to hold off Germany, but it wasn’t going well. I was paranoid for the entire game since I had no ‘friends’. Turkey and I made the stalemate line against the German, and I didn’t really want to stab France. I admit, I had been pushing for conflict with Germany and France, encouraging German action, but this was to ensure my safety and place in the draw instead of falling to a threeway. Eventually I felt forced to stab by the situation and pressures, so I did, and France had no chance once we got involved. Germany and Turkey killed Russia, we drew threeways.

Given my mistakes and vulnerability at points this was a great outcome, one I think was facilitated by my dogged play after the Russian stab, even if I did alienate a few people. I regret not working with Turkey on Russia initially too, our relationship never truly recovered from that. The death of Russia, and Italy, and my own performance was very satisfying, even if I didn’t get rid of the German, who whilst actually an okay human being, was someone I HATED for a few years. This was one of the few times I had let personal emotions dictate how I played a bit too. Oh well, strange, exciting game, even if I had hoped for more when I moved on Italy.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Excellent game and excellent EOG above. I'll write more when I'm not on my phone, but a couple things:

I really wish Austria had worked with me from the start. We could have rocked the board.

Bo, why are you always so mean to me. :_(

France, you have no idea how pissed I was that you cocked up your defense against Germany. It cost me the solo.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Lol, Abge, the moment you turned on me in 1901, there was absolutely no chance we were going to make anything out of it. You say that you wish Austria had worked with you, but did you ever think about what that move meant? I would have much rather, practically speaking, worked with you than with Austria. I just couldn't trust a word you said after that.

Also, you should have stabbed Austria. There was no reason not to do it other than just wanting to end the game, which I get.

I don't really have a ton to say on this game. It was a mess and I truly don't think anyone played up to par with our rankings.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
31 Aug 14 UTC
^ speak for yourself Bo! I felt I was in over my head. I dislike France.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
31 Aug 14 UTC
"I truly don't think anyone played up to par with our rankings."

That seems kinda biased, bo. I thought Germany played very well and Turkey made a very nice come back after a shaky beginning. Also, that statement might make more sense if it came from one of the victors, no? :)
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
I don't do 2 way draws unless I think it will give me a good shot at soloing. That was never going to happen after France let Germany have his way with him. Didn't seem worth it to spend a week just to cut out Austria.

Also, I get that Russia was upset with my first year of moves, but the board changes. You have to be willing to forgive previous infractions or you get eliminated. Look at the awful start Austria and I had, but we were able to work it out and it paid off well for both of us.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Although, seriously, Austria, you are one of the most high maintenance players I've ever had to deal with.
We've played together a few times abge - is that your general opinionof me or just this game? either way you do what you gotta do.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
No not in general, which is why I was surprised it was you. But, oh boy, this game. I had to talk to you more than everyone else combined. : )
I'm sorry abge! It was a poor game for me - I will try to be better next game!
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Haha. No worries. It was fun. And I'm glad we made it work out in the end
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Hardly, zultar. I'll give you the Germany thing - yeah, he played well. Luck went his way too, but whatever. I just don't think that, given that I now know who the players are, many of them played up to what I'm accustomed to, and I didn't either.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
It was fun though, that is, until you all saw through my massive bullshit scheming.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Highly entertaining game for me. I disagree with bo about the standard, although not everyone performed at the same level, that's true. Shall write my EoG now.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
So I started out organising a CPA with Italy & Austria, and seeing which of England or France would be the better ally. England's press won me over in the first turn, and so I responded better to him then and put an alliance with France pretty low on my list of priorities. At the same time, I was friendly with Russia and gently prodded him to the Northern opening, meaning that England would have an unfriendly Russia to deal with, and thus want me as his ally much more than anything France could offer him. The lack of emphasis I put on working with France would come to hurt me later though. Italy's westward opening, while something I welcomed, was not actually my idea though. The first I heard of it was Italy suggesting it and saying he'd talked to England. I later got blamed for instigating that, but that was one of the few things I actually didn't instigate.

After the first turn ended, it became clear that France would reply much more quickly and usefully than England, which rather frustrated me. I changed my mind almost entirely. Having encouraged Russo-Turkish fighting from the start, particularly by offering Russia Sweden if he stayed out of Galicia, I was feeling pretty confident, and decided to play cautiously in Autumn while making England the priority in 1902.

At this point, Austria moved to Venice, which greatly upset the previously well-functioning CPA that I was basing on holding firm in the east. This greatly annoyed me, mostly because I'd told him not to do it as it wouldn't help any of us and he'd ignored me, and swung my sympathy firmly in favour of Italy for most of the rest of the game when grievances between those two came up. This also had an effect later.

Anyway, I built a fleet under the pretence that I would instead be helping England against Russia by taking Sweden, and that moving to Skaggerack was to keep Russia unprepared for my strike. Russia and Austria were hitting Turkey relatively hard, and I didn't want Turkey to die quickly, so I began pointing out the merits to both Austria and Italy of an alliance with Turkey with Turkey as the minor power.

At this point, my lack of initial enthusiasm with France came back to haunt me when he stabbed me and took Belgium, throwing a major spanner in my works after I'd just taken the North Sea and Russia had taken Norway, leaving England open to be crushed but me in no position to do it. Luckily, France's bizarre love of moving to the north coast of Spain instead of the south coast (seriously, what was that? It happened two or three times throughout the game) meant that Italy was able to take Marseilles. Although, my frustration at yet more pointless A-I fighting (Trieste, this time) continued. Turkey also appeared to be at the point of totally surrendering when he left Armenia, which I found downright alarming. With Italy once more focussed west, I pushed hard for an A-T alliance at this point to keep Russia in check and intended to take out England with Russian help and France with Italian.

Sadly, Austria decided to go ahead and fully invade Italy the next year, putting my help against France in a critical position while making an A-R even stronger. Having been unable to win Austria into working with Turkey, I intended turned to the dark side and persuaded Russia to stab Austria. While this would put Russia in a very commanding position, I was still confident that he could be contained.

At this point, I made the decision which pretty much turned the game around for me, and patched things up with France. He may have been down to just 3 SC's (Portugal, Brest, Paris) but I suspected war with Russia was coming and also knew that Italy had no further strength to finish France off. I held off of taking Burgundy that fall to win France's trust that I was being sincere, and decided to try and save Italy by stabbing Austria myself and hitting Tyrolia. The latter move failed, and from that point on I slowly abandoned Italy, despite my lingering respect for him as he had at least been straight with me all game. Which was more than anyone except Turkey and perhaps England could say. The first thing I hadn't accounted for was England's NMR in A1903, which suddenly put Russia into the Norwegian Sea a year earlier than I had anticipated, and added to my frustrations with England, so we discarded our temporary neutrality and went back to war the next year. The second thing I didn't fully account for was Austria's temperament. I expected the Russian stab, but I didn't expect Austria to work with him even while Russia was supporting Turkey against Austria. Austria got extremely bitter during this phase of the game, with his repeated threats to throw the game to Russia, which I know pissed off both myself and Turkey immensely. On the positive side, when Russia stabbed me, my decision to work with France had struck total gold. France allowed me to take Liverpool instead of him, so I didn't have to disband when Austria took Munich. Russia also did what I expected and overstretched, with his playing off of Turkey and Austria against each other finally failing at Bulgaria and Constantinople.

Ironically, Russia had told me when stabbing me that he had done it "because I was the only person he couldn't manipulate in this game". I'd known of his arrogance for a while, and suspected it could be used against him, so even while he attacked me, we kept our press up, and I continued to ask about his plans with Austria and Turkey which culminated in his failure. Seeing my friendliness and apparent willingness to go back to working with him, he backed out of the Baltic Sea in spring 1905, which I firmly believe was the critical mistake for him which made him go from the Alpha power to one in major trouble in the space of a single move. Austria had finally got over his anger, and I promised not to take Munich back, we apologised and made up. With England's failure at working with Russia over when I held Denmark the previous year, I was also able to convince him his chance at making the draw lay with working with me, not Russia. Russia now found himself under attack from me, England and Turkey simultaneously while no longer receiving Austrian support, and he attempted to stab Austria as well. With him under attack on all fronts, I decided that England's support was a luxury I no longer needed, and stabbed England. Sadly Russia, instead of moving to the North Sea to cut my (expected) support like I expected, bounced England in Norway and so my stab only succeeded in taking London, and not Edinburgh, due to the chain reaction of blocks.

I had previously promised France a share of England that he was now no longer going to get, so I offered him Belgium or London for free (whichever he wanted) to pay my debt to him. He'd once again made the bizarre move to Spain NC, which once more greatly frustrated me as he couldn't push straight into the Med. By taking a risk and convoying into Sweden the year before I was able to push right into Scandinavia by taking Finland and threatening St Petersburg, and I was feeling confident that a three way with myself, France, and Turkey would be the outcome, as Austria and Turkey were still having great trouble getting rid of Russia in the south. Russia was repeatedly pulling miracles out to survive down there. England's survival had led to him once more supporting Russia into the North Sea, giving Russia free access to Holland as I couldn't cover it, but by giving France Belgium, I was counting on his support to help me take it back.

At this point, the last major shift of the game happened when France stabbed me. It was a move I couldn't understand in the slightest, because I was at this point large enough that removing me would be so slow it would almost certainly give Turkey a straight up solo, and Russia was so dead in the north (I took Norway and St Petersburg in the same move as he focussed south) that France couldn't count on support from anyone, except perhaps the sole English fleet. Even now I can't process exactly why he chose to do that, and I think he realised what a catastrophic error he'd made pretty quickly. Russia, due to his losses elsewhere, had to disband the Holland fleet, and France sued for peace almost immediately. I saw this turn into a major opportunity for a solo, so I accepted the French proposal, and considered whether to go for the solo or not. I was worried about the Austro-Turkish response, with Russia now a minor player. Austria, however, began to try to persuade me to stab France, because he was worried about his own place in the draw. Turkey was against it, as he should rightly have been, but he was still rather distant to me. To try and buy Turkish support, I hit Moscow with StP to give him Sevastopol at the same time as I made my move on France. I was a little too cautious with my opening moves though, as I worried about France's moves and took Belgium from the Channel rather than Holland. Something I came to regret.

The game now entered the critical phase of whether or not I could get a solo. This phase lasted all of one year, when France correctly guessed all of my moves and Austria moved to the stalemate line to prevent me getting any further. Despite Russia supporting me in spring (he knew he was dead, and wanted me to solo instead of a draw of all his enemies), when he saw I'd failed in the west, he took Moscow back.

I used Russia taking Moscow as a bargaining chip, by support holding him and refusing to allow him to be killed until one of Austria or France was eliminated. Personally, Austria's temperament and general insecurity all game had annoyed me on multiple occasions, and I knew Turkey didn't like him, so I hoped Turkey would work with France while I sat back and let them kill Austria. Neither of them really went for it (which certainly cost France) though, so the easier route of removing France was chosen. Austria was initially resistant, but the bargaining chip had got Turkey to my side, and so Austria eventually assented and they stabbed France. From there, it was just the relatively slow process of cleaning up. I eventually supported Turkey into Moscow, which he thanked me with by helping Austria into Warsaw and breaking my line (very kind). Not sure why, as any chance I had of soloing was long gone, but hey. I made some half-hearted attempts at persuading for a 2 way at the end with the aim of trying to get an opening to solo, but Turkey was never interested and neither was I, realistically.

Now, back to what Bo said, about the standard of play... I definitely disagree. I feel I played very well, with only France's correct guesses really costing me all hope of a solo, and almost every interaction pair being heavily influenced by me. I had a part instigating the vast majority of fights, with only the Austria-Italian war being explicitly against my will in the early game. I also feel Turkey played very well, as he recovered from a pretty dire position to a strong finish in the draw. Austria was rather lucky to get in the draw, and I think had France not made his ill-fated second stab on me, Austria would have been eliminated due to Turkey's dislike of him and me being much more contained. Austria seemed to have two sides in that game, where he'd switch between being a reasonable player to a very temperamental one, which I really don't think helped his cause at all.

France played solidly, with his only real mistake being the stab on me at the end. If he explains that decision in detail here, I'd be very interested to read it. He also needs to get rid of that love of Spain NC, because it really limited his moves in the south, which may have pushed him to making that poor decision to attack me. On the other hand, his willingness to forgive and forget our earlier fight (something Austria never seemed able to do) allowed him to get back from the verge of defeat to, for a time, being one of the two best placed powers on the board (when Russia/Austria/Turkey were hammering each other and I hadn't yet overcome Russia). Russia played well early on, but he got too greedy and overconfident, overstretching his lines and leading to his susceptibility of my manipulation which led to his withdrawal from the Baltic Sea. From then on, his repeated deceptions had burnt his bridges with pretty much everyone, and he endured a long and painful death. Poor guy. Italy was relatively straight-talking, and I found him a reasonable ally, but he also got rather emotionally driven with his feud with Austria. Whether or not he could have turned it around when given the chance to at the end by working with Austria I don't know, but both France and Turkey came back from hopeless positions, and Austria was in a pretty poor one at times too. Italy wasn't ever prepared to back down on Austria, and it guaranteed his death. England frustrated me throughout the game, whether by his initial slow press that got me to turn on him, the NMR that broke the northern lines and brought Russia considerably more power, or his stubborn refusal to actually die. I think after that NMR he was extremely unlikely to ever make a draw, although both Russia and myself seem to have offered him one and persuaded him to our sides for a time. I think the two players who played weakest died first, as you should expect. Whether bo underperformed or not is something I'll let him decide, but I think the other four of us played roughly to our levels. France made a mistake, sure, but everyone does occasionally. And Austria got the result, in the end, even if luck favoured him a lot at times.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
Man that wall of text took me like an hour to type and is probably really poorly typed because I saw how long it was and was like "good god I'm not proof-reading that". :P
I know there will be disagreement with me, but I feel like that although my temperement and emotions cost me the 'likability' factor with germany and turkey (perhaps others too), I actually think it is what kept me in the game. I think working with Russia was the best thing I could do after his first stab, and that fighting him would have led to a slow death of mine - instead I never went under 5scs.

Even at the end, I was throughout trying to make myself indespensible to the draw, and I think I could have pushed forward a German solo if people had tried to remove me.

I was insecure throughout the game, but 1) you (germany) were scheming to get rid of me and 2) you had told me that you had pushed for my stab. After that I don't think I had anyone I could trust, and I do honestly think that I was a target to be removed. Not just because I had annoyed people, but because I was in between a Turkey that couldn't be eliminated, a strong Germany, and there were other countries. Whilst Italy was alive their continued attack on me made everything much worse, and I do think a rare emotionally driven 'fuck you all' and crazed mentality is what helped me to survive.

Again, I don't think I was lucky to survive either, as I do feel like I pushed a german/french conflict. Anyways, I'm sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way!
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
31 Aug 14 UTC
If you were the force behind France's attack on me, then yeah, that wasn't so lucky. I hope he posts an EoG!

As for being combative, I don't know. I think you and Turkey could have worked together much earlier, and had you done so it's unlikely I'd have ever become so powerful. Your place at the end was under threat mostly because neither Turkey nor myself appreciated the threats to throw the game. Ironically, if Russia had been kicked out of the south quicker it probably would have been worse for you as Turkey would've been able to get rid of you before the France/Germany war ever happened, if indeed it did.

I also wasn't scheming to get rid of you at any point, even when I persuaded Russia to stab you. I didn't want you dead, I just wanted you blunted. The only person I explicitly wanted dead before the end-game was England, when I attempted to kill him off with that stab. I tried to help out Turkey when he was low, I did help out France when he was low, and I liked having Italy there to keep you busy, too.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
01 Sep 14 UTC
My EoG as France will not come close to what's already offered here. Two factors...how long this game lasted and my memory of events, and my distractibility conflicting with me wanting to write something thorough. But here goes.

First off, I felt pretty well outmatched. The fact that I lasted as long as I did, I consider not to be a measure of my play, but of happy accidents. There was a lot going on, and being away on vacation with minimal wifi access left me out of the loop sometimes. Secondly, France is a country I have a hard time with, I feel. I get damn tripped up by competing claims by England, Germany, and Italy...and this game was no different.

I began with heavy press, taking notes from peterwiggen's playbook. I sent out notes to everyone, and for the most part, everyone was pretty congenial. I wasn't commiting myself to anyone in particular, preferring to see the openings. And...that's where it began. Italy opened west, claiming that Germany, England, AND Austria requested it. I bought it because it would make sense. It removes a threat from Austria, and gets me to move in a way that benefits Germany/England. Hence, my dislike for France. Maybe I need a paradigm shift and embrace the challenge. SO then I was in panic mode and tried to get more info, commend others on their moves, etc. I was really trying to get Austria to commit to attacking Italy outright, but they countered with the development of a Jug going right after them. England didn't admit to encouraging Italy but came back with responding to the Jug with a strong F/E and a smattering of Germany to help out. My relationship with Germany fractured over Belgium. I tried to make the case that it was a need for me to respond to Italy's threat. Not very convincingly, obviously, because Germany countered that if the Jug was forming, the time to deal with Russia was now. We stalemated and then agreed to bounce...but that exchange coloured my view of Germany for the remainder of the game.

I worked hard, I thought, to convince Italy not to keep going west, but they seemed to feel that they were too committed. As I look back at press from that turn, there was a lot of swirling ideas. England queried about moving on Germany. Germany played a numbers claim for me about builds, and was damn convincing. It felt like we were going to strike England. But then Russia started to chime in with some good anti-Germany ideas.

1902 had me move to Burgundy and Germany piped in with the "What are you doing in there?" I replied that I didn't trust the idea of Munich moving to Tyrolia so I wanted to cover myself. I think I was committing to working with Germany against England and I made a play into ENG, which had England protest and suggest he'd like to see an EF answer to GR. They discounted my moves, and I didn't spin the message well enough.

Key points: Italy opening west in 1901, making me have to cover Marseilles, and denying Germany Belgium. Italy grabbed Marseilles while I took Belgium in 1902. Italy grabbed Spain in 1903 but Austria saved me when they took Venice and Naples.

At varying times I was anti-England, then anti-Germany. My play, and my strategies, were vacillating and irresolute. As much as I thought I had a game plan, I tossed my plan and went whichever way the winds blew. Germany presented amazingly thorough plans and I thought, "Great, sounds good." But later on, as Germany had definitely grown to something inordinate, Russia sent out a plea to move on them. It was a compelling piece about trying to stop Germany's near-ordained solo. And I was convinced enough to go anti-Germany. I don't remember the year, and I don't remember the moves.

Later on, talk of the draw came, and I thought, "How lucky for me. I've played like shit, I don't deserve it, but I'll take it." But Turkey and Austria made western moves (to prevent Germany from winning) and I couldn't cover myself. Deadlocked, I received requests to work to stab Austria. I chose not to, and I found myself out of the draw.

As a junior player, I think this game was a good teaching tool for me, even though that wasn't the intent. I was the lowest ranked player in this set and it's given me points to focus on: improved press AND get a better sense of tactical positioning.

It was one of the most fun games I was a part of this summer.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
01 Sep 14 UTC
Hellenic, what year did I stab you? From there I can go back and look at the map and the press and give a more detailed explanation.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
01 Sep 14 UTC
The Autumn 1906 moves
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
01 Sep 14 UTC
Okay, so I think a lot of the Autumn 1906 moves began in Autumn 1905 planning. Germany was offering me London or Belgium. I consulted Austria about what they thought would be a better "take." They suggested Belgium since they could "potentially" help me. Germany sent a great plan: Me into Belgium, then going Brest>MAO, Spain>Portugal, Gascony>Marseilles, Marseilles>GoL, and Paris>Picardy.

There was talk of Russia being weakened enough through a combined attack with Austria and Turkey. This also turned to conversation of not having to "prop" Austria up for much longer, Turkey attacking Austria, etc. Hence, getting us to a 3-way.

Then Russia pipes in with: Belgium for you, Holland for me? This was spring 1906. I think I was intrigued but wasn't so committed. I replied with something curt like, "A nice Danish and a coffee to settle the whole thing." Obfuscation.

Austria was charmed with my Gascony>Marseilles move. To defend the move, I admitted it wasn't the best, and I should have used it to convoy closer to England. My thought on getting it there was to look at locking down Turkey.

Autumn 1906, Germany was perturbed with Austria not hitting Warsaw. They expected Russia to take Holland, but said it shouldn't be a problem for them to take it back with my support.

Then...a massive message from Russia. I mean, massive...3 paragraphs about why I should move to NAO or Irish Sea this turn. Forgive the paraphrasing. Rationale: gets me on England, which is what I wanted, and the reason Germany offered Belgium. Belgium is already a French neutral on my side of the stalemate line. It's my centre, it's not his. Included in this was reasons why Turkey didn't matter. Then, in conclusion, came this piece: I'll help you get into position to solo, but will work to resist it. You need England (centre-counting) because it gives you 9, cripples Germany, and then you need Munich and St Pete, which I'm more than happy to help you with.

Russia played the role of the devil on my shoulder! :)

I consulted Austria (I seemed to have head to heads with them the whole game). They said something to the effect of wanting a move against Germany.

So I guess the move in question was me moving to NAO. I tried to spin it by saying it was to guarantee England's safety. Really, it was a dumb move, without much critical thought into it, on my part. But more dumb on my part since I didn't do anything with it afterward instead of making the decision then sticking to it. Germany really beat the play down, underscored the idea of the draw that suddenly got a lot smaller, etc.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
01 Sep 14 UTC
Sorry, that was Autumn 1905 where Germany was displeased with Austria.
I think it was every turn that Germany was displeased with me!
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
01 Sep 14 UTC
I'm sure there were a few that I liked your moves, Socrates... 1902... uhh. Some of the later years? :P

So you were intending to go for a solo yourself? That's interesting. I don't think you really had a chance, but I guess Russia had one last joker card to play there. Spinning it by saying it was guaranteeing England's safety didn't exactly work, considering I had no intention of letting England survive and didn't want his 'safety guaranteed' anyway :P. Up til that point I was quite happy with you and happy to include you in a three or four way draw (depending what Turkey did with Austria). I didn't rate my chances of a solo because it'd mean turning on you, which I couldn't do without it being obvious I was trying to solo, and thus everyone turning on me. Then all of a sudden I had the reasonable excuse of defending myself and a brief opportunity to solo came up.

Then you took that opportunity away again by blocking all my moves! :(.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
01 Sep 14 UTC
"Italy's westward opening, while something I welcomed, was not actually my idea though. The first I heard of it was Italy suggesting it and saying he'd talked to England. I later got blamed for instigating that, but that was one of the few things I actually didn't instigate."

Yeah, it was a great claim by Italy that caused me to have my back up for the next few years.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
01 Sep 14 UTC
I wasn't sure whether it was Italy or England who'd blamed me for that one.
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
05 Sep 14 UTC
Where's our other EoGs? I want to hear about how much I pissed others off.. :)


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