I don't hide in closets with cameras. I use wireless cameras with remote controllable mounts attached to motion sensors both for aiming and recording when spying on the hotties. Then I watch it on my laptop from the comfort of my living room. ;-)

"Spanking is not "hitting"...if you don't get that, there is no point in discussing."

...I...really DON'T get that, I just can't wrap my mind around it...

You can produce pleasure via contact with someone, sure, but why spank/hit them, and put them in what would seem to be in most contexts a sort of dominated position? That seems cruel...

If they WANT to be dominated, well, to each their own, what goes on in the bedroom is everyone's own business so long as no one get's hurt...but it just seems so mean and degrading.

Granted I speak from absolutely no experience whatsoever (and likely to remain that way...really, with my love of long books, sexual inactivity and love to hear myself talk, it's almost a shame I'm not religious, I could've made good money as an evangelist or preacher or something...a very bad one, I'm sure, but still) but that just seems such a terrible position to put someone in...

In what context is it a good thing to dominate someone, anyway? Isn't the whole point supposed to be a sort of mutual coming together game with orgasms and babies as the end prize, like it or not? Again, I don't at all doubt that people like being dominated...hell, D.H. Lawrence has that in his novels...

And as much as I love his novels and respect his views on sex, I still can't shake the feeling that it's just a terrible, cruel position to put someone in. *shrug*

And if that's the theory...why women being spanked over men? Is there an actual physiological reason for that, or is that just a social construct (and I wish everything was rational, Jasbrum--sir or madame, whichever--and Major...or at least that I could find some rationality behind all that...or a way back to talking about something I know about, books by dead white people vs. something I can't even begin to conceive of without suffering a total systems failure...) ;)

"I still can't shake the feeling that it's just a terrible, cruel position to put someone in."

Put someone in....once again, you demonstrate your ignorance. People put THEMSELVES in a situation...if it consensual, nobody is forcibly put anywhere.

And let me correct myself - "spanking is not hitting" - I'm speaking in terms of the connotation of the word. "Hitting" is something you do without consent, and it is meant to harm. "Spanking" is done with intent and consent, and it is not meant to harm. "Pain" does not equal "harm". that is where you are completely misguided in your understanding.

I'll use a rather obscure example of pain: Pain in childbirth is excrutiating...but it is in no way harmful. Not all pain is harm.

Another
example of the pleasure/pain mix would be people that really get of on the extreme hot sauces. Hot sauces cause pain, but people seek them out all the time, sometime to (what I consider) ridiculous extents. Is that harm? Not at all. Maybe a little bizarre, but for the person involved it provides some sort of pleasure, and it probably has to do with the way their brain is particularly wired to respond -- which would be the release of endorphins to react to teh pain. These endorphins are closely tied/related to pleasure endorphins which...surprise surprise...would be the same endorhpins (or similar at least) to those released during....wait for it...orgasm.

@obi - Think of spanking as a sexual pat on the back. When done right, the vibration travels to the woman's clitoris and throughout her loins and she becomes aroused by the stimulation combined with the idea of the man finding her super attractive and wanting to get his hands all over her bottom.

@krellin - I have a saying with eastern food (Indian, Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Korean, Vietnamese): If I ain't bleeding from the eyes, ears, and nose, it ain't hot enough!

oh look a conversation about spanking... with obiwanobiwan

*closes thread*

You couldn't just close it. You had to comment first. Real mature there, Thucy.

Guns, Germs, and Steel was an interesting read so was Vienna 1814. I'm starting to read Feast for Crows and I have to admit the ASOIAF/GameofThrones story slows down a lot after the end of the War of Five Kings

"Think of spanking as a sexual pat on the back."

^I have to bow to the sheer hilarity of that phrasing... xD

And how dare you try and bring up a (fairly-relevant and actually pretty interesting) book in this conversation, airborne...it's not like that's the topic of this thread, stop derailing it!

@obi - What is so funny? When you pat someone on the back, you are hitting them. Are you not? Doing permanent damage when spanking in sex will get you banned from access to that particular partner in the future. I guarantee it. But a light spanking is just the opposite side of the coin from tickling.

Just the phrasing of it struck me as funny, I guess.

And I don't generally pat people on the back, or particularly like getting them...or most physical contact, for that matter, even something like a hug from a good friend, I can't stand it, I'll very noticeably and physically shrink away from that as fast as I can, and maybe not convulse or anything, but still...

About my maximum level of tolerating physical contact is a handshake...for whatever reason, I just have a real aversion to it myself, so perhaps to me it all seems a lot more violent or painful than it actually is...so yeah, when that's my maximum level of toleration, spanking that's hard enough to be felt and have that sort of effect which you describe and yet not so hard as to cause pain comes across the same as a 5-sided triangle does in my head, it simply strikes me as two ideas totally at odds with one another.

@ Obi - I had a manager who hugged everyone, you just gotta embrace it with gusto and hope you only meet once a month for your supervision lol

If you want an entertaining, non fiction book that will tell the sorry of a scientist who picked locks at los alamos during the Manhattan project and did thought experiments about sprinklers running backwards, and dropping LSD while in a sensory deprivation chamber and learning how to paint while teaching an artist about physics and investigating the case of the challenger space shuttle disaster, then I would recommend "Surely you're joking Mr Feynman" and "What do you care what other people think?"

Both by Richard Feynman

The Brothers Karamazov. Other than the Bible, the best thing ever written.

c'mon you guys, this is meant to be a Literary thread
who was the damn sicko pervert who corrupted this thread ???
How about that book by Nabakov

Speaks the Nightbird, by Robert McCammon.

1984

The Road

Wow, I guess when I posted the Feynman recommendation last night, I missed pages 3 and 4 of this thread. Entertaining read, and once again, I find myself agreeing with krellen. What the hell is going on?

@ rallinator which bible ?
I've got at least half a dozen
there's the
1 King James ( King of Great Britain, France & Ireland & Defender of the Faith ) version (Anglican )
also the
2 Revised English Bible with Apocrypha ( sort of hip all mainstream Christian faiths from The Baptist Union of Great Britain, Church of England, Church of Scotland,
Council of Churches for Wales, The Irish Council of Churches, The Methodist Church of Great Britain The Moravian Church in Great Britain & Ireland, The Roman Catholic Churches in England & Scotland & The Salvation Army )
and the
3 Jehovah's Witness Bible from the Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society of Pennsylvania USA
plus the
4 another Catholic Bible (in English ) from the Spanish Jesuits
(Look out it's the Spanish Inquisition with the comfy chair -- no one expects them )

and not forgetting the highly imaginative
5 The Book of Mormon ( quite fantastical & amusing )

& ( don't mention the wars)
6 Lutheran Bible ( Duetschland & Gott uber alles )

& of course for balance, as translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali,
(drum roll please ) -- The Holy Quran

and The Greek Myths 1 & 2 by Robert Graves ( The Castration of Uranus is a good cautionary tale on parricide )

Add The writings that collectively detail the wisdom of Brahma
---- Brahma Sutra or Kama Sutra ???

The Buddhists, perhaps quite sensibly, avoid having a single defined scriptural textbook or "doctrine of meditation manual"

& The Torah ( for Hassidic Arabs )

plus others I neglect to mention...

perhaps the "Nabakov" refernce was a bit oblique & I misspelt the authors name

Vladimir Nabokov "Lolita"
should have thought a lot of old fuddy duddies (like myself )
would have rated that as worth a look

I purposefully avoided that one... but James Mason was good in the movie :-/

Back to the real subject - Spankable babes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxbV-z_RFhU&NR=1&feature=endscreen

Yes, it is safe for work. This clip aired during prime time on over-the-air TV.

@Major Mitchell - Well my translation of choice is the English Standard Version. Pretty much everything you mention other than the KJV and the REB are not what I would classify as the Bible. Anything that gives a reliable translation of the Hebrew and Greek text of the 66 books considered to be canon by all churches everywhere would count as the Bible. Although, reading in the original languages is of course preferable.

I have a great Hebrew-Greek parallel study Bible with key word highlighting and translations that is quite excellent (although extremely large) for doing research and truly understanding the original writings. Of course, even then there are still questions as a literal translation can still have two possible meanings sometimes and being able to interview the original authors would make it more clear what they meant, but we have to rely on prayer and seeking the truth within our hearts to answer some of those questions.

I've seen that episode of The Big Bang Theory (he said shamefully...)

And I am just as averse to hugging and clueless about this as good old Sheldon here...

On the other hand, THIS he and I understand perfectly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk7HXuQE5pw

Ah! Sheldon's not so "virgin" virgin Cuba Libre from Penny. Leonard has his experiments and Penny has hers!

well for fantastical imaginitive superstition I have to rate The Book of Mormon as a genuine contender, and what is more impressive is the way the Mormons insist that it is a "factual & true" there's faith for you, misguided faith, but impressive neverthless.