"BTW, weren't you leaving this site?

Why do people do this? Why do they make a big production and announce their departure from this site and then show up and make comments anyway? I think they call that being an Attention-whore. "

Because I thought a game I was in was going to end that day. Truth of the matter is it has dragged out for a couple of days so I need to finish it off. I never said I was leaving immediately.

And how the fuck did I make a big production, I posted a short paragraph that was on the boards for a good day if that.

And finally

"I wouldn't talk Santa. Your answer is to stalk, hound and scream "Anti-semite!". Which is basically going ballistic and looking like a fool...so yeah, E."

Yes how dare I call you an anti Semite when you post a site denying the holocaust from a neo nazi website and continually make generalizations about Jews. And I stalk? what exactly was that post?

A refresher course

""Throughout Jewish history, we were attacked and killed just because we are Jews."

I suppose this is what I have a problem with. "Just because we are Jews" is not a reason. If I wanted to study this issue and if I concluded in my doctorate thesis, that Jews were killed because they were Jews, I'd be the laughing stock of the university.

Again, I'm not trying to pretend that racism doesn't exist, but racism that lasts centuries and centuries and centuries among many different people, of many different cultures, religion and creeds, suggests something different.

How does one explain this perpetual victim-hood that ONLY exists with relation to Jews? No where else does this level of pure hatred and racism persist in all of history, yet we are happy to label it with the same old excuse as every other racist act.

We can argue this, but I'm beginning to think here...

In this thread we've discussed the fact that Jews think they are special, that they are God's chosen people, that they work hard and strive to be better than everyone.

What if they ARE, in fact, better than everyone? And what if that feeling of theirs gets reflected in how they treat others?

Treating others around you as if you are superior would certainly explain much of the sentiments that seem to not be restricted by culture, age, religion or creed much better than "because we are Jews".

One needs only to look how Israel acts too see an example of this. They treat their neighbors poorly, they treat non-Jewish citizens poorly, they expect special treatment and wave the Holocaust around when it suits them, they defy the UN continually, they collectively punish Palestinians...in fact, Zionists were offered land in Russia for their homeland, but they refused because they wanted what God promised them...that is to say, they chose religion over security, but will always use the security excuse...Arabs be damned.

Israel does not play nice on levels no other nation can compare. Is it possible that Jews are better and it shows? to the ire of everyone else?

Now, before you get your panties in a wad, I'm simply exploring possible explanations by drawing parallels. "Because we are Jews" is an excuse, not a reason.

I understand that millions of Jews throughout the world live in peace with their neighbors...arabs, white, black, etc. What is the difference between those Jews and the ones that keep getting persecuted time and time again?

If you think about it rationally, the answer is clear. Jews do not treat non-Jews with the same respect as they do other Jews.

So, who's the racist?"

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The number in Auschwitz has dropped. That is a fact.

From 4 million in 1945 (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/wolzek/1948_AuschwitzPlaque.html)...

to 1-1/2 million in 1990 (http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/wolzek/1990_AuschwitzPlaque.html).

Yet STILL you claim six million Jews died...I'm no math expert but..."

"no, you mean The Jewish Holocaust™...you forgot the damned trademark!"

"Something to rationally consider...if a child gets kicked out of school after school after school and cannot get along with others...do we blame the school?

When is it okay to scrutinize the child?"

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If It quacks like a duck...

That's all folks!

@ulytau: "How can anyone piss you off in a game?"

This.

THIS * 1,348,483,880.

Seriously, if you are getting pissed off, don't respond, take a step back away from the game.

Yes, I have been pissed off before, but I kinda got training on how to handle it. Which is basically act confident and calm yourself down internally. Of course, we are all human.

I will admit that if someone is pissed at me in game, I act like it is a joke to get them really riled up. A pissed off opponent makes stupid mistakes and demands too much of their allies. They are a sitting duck. So from a strategic point of view, never let them see you are pissed even if you are.

I need a break from this shit...

@Santa - Why do you call anti-semitism "racism"? There is no distinct DNA that deliniates a Jewish race nor do you have to even have a Jewish heritage to be Jewish.

This passage from http://www.jewfaq.org/judaism.htm says it well.

Race is a genetic distinction, and refers to people with shared ancestry and shared genetic traits. You can't change your race; it's in your DNA. I could never become black or Asian no matter how much I might want to.

Common ancestry is not required to be a Jew. Many Jews worldwide share common ancestry, as shown by genetic research; however, you can be a Jew without sharing this common ancestry, for example, by converting. Thus, although I could never become black or Asian, blacks and Asians have become Jews (Sammy Davis Jr. and Connie Chung).

Jewish religion & Jewish ethnicity are separate things.

http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/beingjewish.htm

Jewish ethnicity... That's a joke. There are *several* "Jewish" ethnicities. See the URL above.

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Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry. For instance, Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardic Jews are both "Jewish." However, whereas Ashkenazi Jews often hail from Europe, Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East. People of many different races have become Jewish over the centuries"

The best way to describe Judaism is a culture.

Let me ask you, Putin, are you once again declaring yourself god of knowledge on all subjects? Because I have Jewish family that will happily tell you what being Jewish is and isn't and they have told me it isn't a race. See, My brother-in-law (wife's brother) marrie dinto the Jewish faith.

And, Santa, I apologize if I offended you with the "ethnicity is a joke". I didn't mean being Jewish was a joke, but Putin's assertion was a joke, mostly cause it came from VVPutinfuck.

In Czech, we use "Jew" for people with Jewish ethnicity and "jew" for Judaists. Works like charm.

Anyway, Draug, anti-semitism as a term should be also out if you want be nitpicky. Arabs are Semits as well, I guess they are really pitiful self-haters? It's sad that some terms' content wander away from the inner linguistic logic (and I would be a big fan of "rectification of terms" policy if it could ever work) but we use language to communicate. If you use a term in a way different to others, you won't communicate really successfully.

Ill take this to PM

I responded in PM, Santa.

"Let me ask you, Putin, are you once again declaring yourself god of knowledge on all subjects?"

Are you once again going to try to silence people by invoking the "I have Jewish family" card?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

"Sephardic Jews often hail from the Middle East"

Dispersal is not evidence of lack of common ancestry.

"Judaism is not a race because Jews do not share one common ancestry."

Research says otherwise.

http://sephardic.fiu.edu/journal/March%202009/Lavender_March.pdf

"Arabs are Semits as well"

The origin of the term "Anti-Semitism" stems from the fact that Jewish religion and ethnicity have been functionally separated from quite some time. Haters of Jews could not make religious arguments against them because most were not religious, so they coined the term anti-Semitism which is why it has anti-Jewish and not anti-Ethiopian or anti-Arab connotations.

I used anti-semitism as an example of a term that is not EWiSotT. Just like we talk about racism even when it's an intracaucasian xenophobia, we say anti-semitism and speak about hatred of Jews and not Arabs. So I think we are arguing the same thing.

C- You mute idiots. It's the only way to fly!

Well moving back from jews/arabs/holocaust/random discussion for different thread. I think I shall manage..meh...alright :)

"To paraphrase PE:

FACT: I have never been decisevely defeated by a country or alliance that decided to stab me."

wait, what

like right now, i am being successfully pissed on...and just slapping my face reminding myself...why the fuck did it come to this.

I'd appreciate if you guys don't get all nasty with RACE or RELIGION... so that just covers both. Sound fair?