(This continues an earlier thread so I am rebutting some arguments)

Diplomacy definitely relies on luck more. In football if you lift more, condition harder and execute better on both sides of the ball as well as special teams, you will win. Now, these are rarely so cut-and-dried but the general point is the same; put in enough work and you will win. The assertion that play-calling is as much guesswork as figuring out where other players are moving is stupid. If you watch enough film (I'm a defensive player so that's the point-of-view this is from) and study the offense well enough you can establish tendencies that predict what the offense will do with a regularity that any math geek would be proud of. In Diplomacy what someone does one time is not necessarily indicitave of what they will do the next, so it's still a guessing game. Part of the problem is that most people don't realize how much thought goes into a football game. I'd like to get any football players respond to this one so I can see if the expert opinion is with me.

And this is all AMERICAN FOOTBALL. The one where you can actually hit people without getting penalized. And before you Europeans say I don't know shit from Shinola . . . I play rugby too.

Comparing a board game and an athletic team sport is a bit of a false comparison. They are so different that to compare them is futile.

Dimplamacy has more luck. You can always compare luck?

A competition with 7 teams playing at once is very different from one with 2.

They're comparing the luck.

@ LJ TYLER DURDEN

That came off a little bit antagonistic to... the entire planet sans the U.S. I played football (soccer) and american football in highschool. I still play soccer recreationally now in college. In my experience, soccer injuries are just as horrific as football ones and soccer is just as physical as football.

When two people run full speed toward a moving ball and try to take it from the other, you can get hurt bad and fall in very awkward ways. That said, you can slam ppl very hard in football, because you have pads unlike rugby, that (i've been told) has different different tackling techniques.

Its okay to talk about American Football, but don't belittle Soccer as a lesser sport. That is just an opinion that is irrelevant to the topic at hand, and likely offensive to someone.

I say American football has more luck for two things. The hail marry pass and the fumble. Those are very luck dependent, but can completely change games.

Of course when people offer you a DMZ on the first turn at Piedmont, Galicia, English Channel, or Black Sea... its kinda chancy to trust them if you've never played with them. *remembers a crushing defeat as turkey over a Black Sea lie...*

i know this is american football but to the guy who said chelsea i would like to say ha no way they just get lucky. your talking about arguably the best defense in the english premier league.