If you get in a game with him, he lies even more than most in this game, if that is possible and when you call him on it, he will flame you in posts as his mature response.

Is it meta-gaming to not trust someone who lies to you every chance they get?

@ Zeus68
1. Arranging alliances across games is cheating (metagaming). If you do it on a regular basis this will get you in trouble - either you'll be banned if you do it too much - or at least you'll get a bad reputation and others will punish you for it by killing you first.
2. Lying and stabbing are a part of the game. Obviously there needs to be some balance as lying all the time makes no sense - but life-long alliances are just as bad. If you can't accept this then Dilomacy is not your game
3. You cannot say "this is how I play" because metagaming gives you an unfair advantage.
4. Play a bit more games and try to understand why people are telling you something is wrong before getting defensive. The fact someone else was a prick (?) does not give you justification to be one also :)

In reading what Zeus wrote, I'm not sure its metagaming. It looks like he is just saying 'we seem to work well together', not 'if you help me in game A, I will help you in game B'.

Zeus68,

It was pointed out in another thread that you are related to Germ. You are in many games with him. While you are not always given neighboring countries, you definitely take advantage of that fact when it develops. For example, in one game the two of you are Austria and Germany and have worked in synchronicity since 1901. That is my problem with the situation. You have profited from your relationship outside of the game. In my opinion, you and Germ should be removed from all games where you are both currently playing together. The other players will still be at a disadvantage since two players may take over and benefit from your strong position. So my feeling is that no one should be allowed to take over the CD countries for at least a year or two. That would allow the other players to recover from your metagaming advantage.

Can we stop using the term "metagaming"? What everyone seems to be complaining about is "cross gaming" and operating sock puppets.

I.E Metagaming. That's basically the definition bh.

No, we can't - we've been using it for years - it might be wrong but noone cares :)

I've had a lot of people accuse me of multi-ing/meta-ing in games: Submariner included. My response is always the same: Challenge me on the forum or shut up! Since no-one has challenged me yet, I assume they are just tantruming.

your a multi :p

Submariner is just a sleazy player who cries and tells the teacher when he gets called on it.

I swear i've had to back you up on the forum before OMGNSO? :P
trim - he's clear ;)

well thats a relief :p

Thanks figle. :-)

Submariner is just a person who likes to keep the game fair and tells the teacher to make sure it gets done.

Either way you put it. You were metagaming which is cheating and discouraged.

I am a teacher!

What I also am is someone who doesn't bother to read the names of the people I play with... Hence the approach in two games to see how we could work together... I always talk to everyone at the start of a game. This is after all Diplomacy.

And while in one game I was the last remaining player assisting you into War as you collapsed from 7 to 3 SCs, you are only mad now because you're upset that I took Bul from you in another game.

You're only flaming me now troll-boy because you were either too stupid to see that stab coming, or too stupid to thin I would fall for your stupid builds as being unthreatening!

What I also find interesting is that Zeus joined the two other games at the precise time I was helping him in our first match... and then immediately offered me the cross game support.

That just isn't how this game should be played.

Oh, stop whining, both of you.

[quote]For example, in one game the two of you are Austria and Germany and have worked in synchronicity since 1901. That is my problem with the situation.[/quote]

How the heck can you have a problem with an Astro-german alliance?? That's a completey natural, and often critical alliance. Now, if it was, say, England, turkey and italy or something, that'd be weird in most cases. But Germany and Austria???