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Wooble (450 D)
13 Sep 07 UTC
Stuck game: azcap returns
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1468

The end of phase has been "due now" for quite some time; the last phase to process was on Monday at 4PM.
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berlinerkindl (100 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
Faster Pace
Game Faster Pace (please check in several times a day so the game moves) bid 100 to join. Email me to request password.
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berlinerkindl (100 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
Profiles
in the profiles, why not have the homepage field result in a hyperlink for those of us to lazy to copy and paste?
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Vampiero (3525 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
battle 3
there is a new game called battle 3 that i opened. were still looking for players to join. the buy in is 111 which should prevent newbies using all their points to join. regular players only plz, dont abandon!
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Rait (10151 D(S))
10 Sep 07 UTC
Hehee..
dangermouse, are You sure You are not The 'puppet master', controlling multiple accounts (take a look at the game 'frankly my dear ') - how the hell You managed to drive 6 people into CD, win the game with just 10 units & take out all 700 points at once? :D :D
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Gump (484 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
Sorry!
I am in a few games at the moment. Unfortunately, my internet is going AWOL very frequently at the moment, and will only work sometimes! Weve contacted the provider, but nothing has been done yet. If i "disappear" from my games, this is why. I apologise sincerely. Due to my unreliability, albeit unavoidable, i will not be starting any new games after these are finished. In other words, at least not for a while, I shant be on the site again once my current games are resolved!
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Vampiero (3525 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
problem in my game
hi kestas, as england i have a fleet thats forced to retreat from st. petersburgs north coast and the only options i have are finland and the gulf of bothnia.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1499&orders=on#orders
thanks
alamothe (3367 D(B))
10 Sep 07 UTC
In the game "Balkans Berserk" I'm also retreating from StP north coast but I have no options on where to retreat :-)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
10 Sep 07 UTC
I would like Norway please, if my fleet must be disbanded due to retreat issues I'll be in serious trouble...
dangermouse (5551 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
Vampiero's problem is a novel one I think. I hadn't heard of a St. Pete retreat that only gave options on the wrong side.

@alamothe - this is the same problem that's been around for a while and not much can be done. The adjudicator will eventually be rewritten to solve it, but until then I think you're out of luck.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
10 Sep 07 UTC
oh my god! please don't do this to me :-)
Vampiero (3525 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
so can my problem be fixed or should i just enter my moves the way it is?
figlesquidge (2131 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
Well, i would just make your moves to be honest, but you're call
figlesquidge (2131 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
*but its your call
alamothe (3367 D(B))
10 Sep 07 UTC
If i can't retreat from stp, my whole game is going to collapse and will go from winning to losing. Kestas, if you can, please help and put retreating fleet in norway
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
Please don't make me lose this I played so nicely :-)
dangermouse (5551 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
LOL - You still have 14 SD, twice as many as the next strongest player.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
That's why I would like to lose because of this bug, I'll be so frustrated...
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
*wouldn't
Chrispminis (916 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Don't be so pessimistic. =P
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
Why Kestas why... :-)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
I don't know php but you should add something like:
if retreating from stp north coast then
options are norway & barents;
:-)
Vampiero (3525 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
stop whining and take it like a man, i did it in my game.
Vampiero (3525 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
i mean, you are about to have 16 SCs with no clear threat
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
Yeah and all the hard work is going to waste now...
Wooble (450 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Unless there's a precedent for having the database manually edited to make support for a convoyed army work instead of failing horribly, I don't see why anyone should expect intervention in any other case of a known bug.
azapcap (0 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
I also had this bug, I was attacked from StPeters south coast but was able to retreat to Barrents Sea.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
This bug has been around for a long time, and several possible suggestions have been thrown up, although none have been implemented. The trouble comes from the fact that the coast data is lost when the moves are processed, so when the script works out retreats, it doesn't know what coast you were on. If you lost out to a fleet, then you will get options, but if an army kicked you out, there will be no legal retreats.
The best solution would be for the section of the script that creates the retreat orders to check the previous occupations table to find the required data, instead of the current one, then the page could check this when supplying options. This would not be hard to do, however I don't have an up-to-date copy of the source code, and I've heard the CVS is not current.
Wooble (450 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Kestas posted on Sunday to the SourceForge forum that he'd committed the latest code to CVS so I believe it should be up to date now.
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
11 Sep 07 UTC
The CVS is current fig, I updated it over the weekend, as Wooble said, but I think retreats will be solved along with the new order code. Also I wouldn't be keen to put an occupations table check in as it would have to query the borders table and the occupations table every time a retreat order is viewed, which would be inefficient and inelegant.
There are also other problems with retreats, and the occupations table generally, which will have to be sorted out totally if the adjudicator is going to progress.
I'd rather wait and take a step backwards to take a few steps forward, rather than step forward and then have to take two steps backwards later. (you know what I mean)

So I'd rather just leave it until 0.8 (unless you want to write a temporary work-around, which alamothe and others would probably appreciate)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
@Wooble: it was not known to me until now :-)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
11 Sep 07 UTC
@Vampiero: you're not whining because in your game (in which I also play :-) this retreat to GOB was better for you than anywhere else. So you used the bug in your favour. I would like to see you without that fleet, oh you would be gone in a couple of turns
dangermouse (5551 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
@alamothe - the last time Kestas intervened in a game was at your request to turn a banned player's country to CD in the middle of a turn. That move changed the course of the game - before it I was leading the game, afterwards (and as a direct result of it) I am now very much losing and you are significantly better off.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
12 Sep 07 UTC
@dangermouse: Before sydney, when Kestas banned players he immediately put them in CD. I guess you're complaining because you're not playing against a CD countries, as in your other games? :-) If a player is banned, why would we wait for I don't know how many turns until he goes to CD? He's not going to submit orders, he's banned!
alamothe (3367 D(B))
12 Sep 07 UTC
Playing against banned sydney was so nice for you, so when somebody took over it suddenly changed the course of the game... No s***! :-)
dangermouse (5551 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
No, as I pointed out in another thread the problem was that the change was not instituted at the end of a phase. You apparently logged in during the last few hours after the country was set to CD/taken over by an active player took advantage of the fact.

Not to mention that you were the one requesting kestas step in because it wasn't advantageous enough for you.
alamothe (3367 D(B))
12 Sep 07 UTC
Yes, you pointed out in another thread so why do you mention that again here? How does it relate to a game bug.

Yes, I requested that from Kestas. Player was banned so I asked that he be put in CD. I didn't say "put him immediately so that dangermouse don't see it and he submits bad orders". Actually I really doubt that you didn't see somebody took over. You're again complaining because you're not playing against a player who doesn't send his orders. I bet your diplomacy skills really shine in that situation
dangermouse (5551 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
*shakes his head and sighs*
alamothe (3367 D(B))
12 Sep 07 UTC
And I want to say that I would request it even if it were disdvantageous to me. I'm not a pussy like you to play, dangermouse. I want challenging opponents, not banned players who doesn't submit orders
Chrispminis (916 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
Hey guys, calm down. What's happened has happened, from now on, don't ask kestas to manually edit any games, because it sets a ridiculous precedent for manual requests. Just let him do his work.


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Jeckal (43 D)
12 Sep 07 UTC
Superpoweresque
Join: Superpoweresque

NOW!
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Mr. Smith (69 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Any learners?
Any other new guys wanna play a first game with other firsttimers? Topic title=game title.
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svetozar (194 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Home SCs
How many turns can a player stay "alive" if he loses all of his home SCs, but still has other SCs?
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bc2000 (990 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
Penalty for Civil Disorder
What do you think about issuing a penalty (say 50 points) for Civil Disorder?
This could help preventing people abandoning games in which they are losing.

When Kestas will set up the button for immediate CD the penalty could remain only for those people not using this option and that leave unordered their units for 3 phases.
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saulberardo (2111 D)
11 Sep 07 UTC
Doubt about supportig a unit wich is tring to move
Folk, please answer me this.

If A support B to hold, and;
B tries to move into C;
And B for any reason doesn't suceed moving to C;

So, this way A is still supporting B?
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Salmaneser (6160 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
Holiday
Sorry to tell you, but I'm leaving on holidays tomorrow till saturday. I doubt if I'll have internet there, so I probably won't be able to play this week. Sorry to all players that are in games where I'm in.
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blipblopin (254 D)
10 Sep 07 UTC
"Slow Game"
I tried to retreat my fleet to Rome after it was forced out of naples. This was on a Spring turn. Instead, it was destroyed. Why did this happen? Rome is open, and I still have as many SC as units. It has significantly damaged my posistion, as I will have no chance of holding Rome this turn, and will consequently lose 2 SC's.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
09 Sep 07 UTC
How civil disorder effects point totals
I've got a couple questions about how point distribution is effected by countries in civil disorder.

1) If I am in a game that finishes with a country in CD that still controls a few units (let's say 2 for this example), how are the final payouts divided? Do I get the same amount if that player had been present?
2) If a player lets his nation fall into CD and the game ends with no one else taking over, does he/she get a return if they still have units?
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Rait (10151 D(S))
10 Sep 07 UTC
Setting up Masterminds VI
My previous attempt to create Masterminds VI with the bet of 200 credits failed due to little interest. So I suppose there is no sence to create anothe game untile there are enough players. So I suggest that all interested high-level players sign up here, when there is at least 6 people, I will give it another try. If 200 credits doesnt suit You, You can also suggest alternative bet (either smaller or bigger).
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alamothe (3367 D(B))
08 Sep 07 UTC
Dementia - we would like a draw...
Hi Kestas, we players of the game Dementia have agreed on a draw (saulberardo, berencamlost7 & me). If it's not much of a hassle for you we would like the game to end in a draw and points be split according to the current situation. Thank you!
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Rait (10151 D(S))
08 Sep 07 UTC
Note for kestas
Just a remark - at this point the highest possible bet to start a game is the amount of credit held by the 'richest' player. Actually the ceiling should be the amount of credit held by the minimum number of players to start the game (for instance, if the minimum number of players to start the game is 4, then the highest possible bet should be the amount of credit held by the player at the 4th place).
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Zxylon (0 DX)
08 Sep 07 UTC
I just joined Masterminds IV and the pot is 200
Join or the game will be disbanded.
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The Mahatma (1195 D)
08 Sep 07 UTC
A dissenting opinion
I was going to reserve judgment on the new points system, but I feel I now understand it well enough to conclude there are some major issues. I realize the response has been overwhelmingly positive, and if I'm the only one who feels this way, so be it.

What is the issue this was intended to resolve? In my opinion, the major issues on this site (aside from full compliance with the official rules) are players abandoning when it's not going their way and the length of time it takes to set an abandoned country into civil disorder. If the thinking was that this points system would dissuade players from abandoning, I don't see it - the system doesn't penalize going into CD any more than just plain losing, and, anyway, it has no impact on people who don't care about their points. Additionally, if you come in with 100 and you CD your first or second or even third game, you'll just get reset to 100 anyway.

I think the points system is a good indicator of something (not sure exactly what - maybe success over a period of time? - win ratio and average finish are more meaningful statistics), but I strongly disagree with using points to "buy in" to games. It totally closes off certain games to certain players (which you can do with a password anyway). I wondered whether experienced players would want to play with me in the future? I would provide stiff competition but little by way of reward other than enjoying a well-played game. How many of the players with several hundred or a thousand-plus points will agree to play a game with a stake of 10 points? Would you all agree to play or does this system dissuade any of you? I did see that Noodlebug was willing to play with players with lesser points and observed the dynamic that they might all come after him - but for his points, not based on the game at hand. Isn't that a form of meta-gaming? And should the site be encouraging meta-gaming in any form?

My alternative suggestions:
-Do away with the points system and stick with the old rankings and option to password games (again, why have both the buy in system and passworded games?)
-Keep the points system to rank players, but do away with betting points on games and requiring people to have enough points to be able to put up enough of a stake
-Make CD occur faster for missed turns. If 7 of us got together and played at my house and planned to play Saturday and Sunday and someone didn't show up Sunday, we'd probably make a couple of phone calls; if we didn't find anyone right away we'd set him in CD and keep playing - we wouldn't wait a predetermined number of turns. The first person (the original player or someone else) who said they wanted to take over the CD country would get it. A player wouldn't have the right to be absent for 4 or 5 phases and then be entitled to return
-Create an "abandon game" button that would set a country into CD instantaneously.

Thanks for taking the time to read this. These are just my opinions, and if all the high point players are willing to play in low stakes games, it may not matter. I believe that points should be reserved for tournament play and that there is no need to mix gambling with Diplomacy.
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zrallo (100 D)
08 Sep 07 UTC
Do Points Affect Rating?
Recently, before the points system was added, I was an "experienced player". Then, after the points system was added, I jumped down to "casual player." After that, I actually won a game, and now I'm suddenly a "political puppet." Is there any explanation for this.
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lzwqmang (869 D)
06 Sep 07 UTC
ask for problems about establishing a new game
I want to establish a game with a password. So that I can invite my friends to join in it. I have tried to establish the game. But my friends can't find the new game which I established in "Joinable games" . Could you please tell me how to solve this problem?
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Rait (10151 D(S))
07 Sep 07 UTC
Back in business...
Hi everyone, I'm back in business (quite literally with this new fancy credit system and all :D ...) and willing to participate in some new games. How many Mastermind games have You started recently? What's the last Mastermind series? I would be happy to start another one - anyone cares to suggest the 'fee'? I hope I haven't become too rusty in this game after few months...
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berlinerkindl (100 D)
08 Sep 07 UTC
Concede
To try and reduce the number of CD's due to people just giving up on a game because they are loosing, why not implement a concede option for non-defeated players.
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TeutonicPlague (250 D)
08 Sep 07 UTC
Question About Retreats
Can a defeated army retreat to the space that the attacking army left? If not, is that rule implemented here?
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freakflag (690 D)
07 Sep 07 UTC
not moving to next turn
Kestas, one of my games (battle for money) said orders were "due now" last night, yet it still hasn't rolled over to the next turn.
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saulberardo (2111 D)
07 Sep 07 UTC
New game for those who don't fears the enemy....
Hi people!

All those who are courageous enough to accept a 35 bet game are invited to join me in this great battle.
(those who can see the game at least twice a day are prefered!)

"He who is not courageous enough to take risks will accomplish nothing in life".
Muhammad Ali
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
30 Aug 07 UTC
Code change: points system
Finally got around to adding the points system.

There's a section on how it works in the help section, let me know if parts of it aren't clear enough. [ http://phpdiplomacy.net/points.php ]There's also a ranking of the top 100 users with the most points. [ http://phpdiplomacy.net/halloffame.php ]

The numbers that are next to our names are the number of points we have.

The way the starting points was worked out was by assuming that the amount bet on each game is the amount of the person with the least points in the game, divided by three. This isn't totally fair, because if a single inexperienced player joins a game the game's pot is worth a lot less, but I had to decide on something.

The edges are a little unpolished, because I couldn't spend long on it (it's study week and I had a couple of days spare), but it should be a step in the right direction.

It's also the largest code change in quite a while, so I expect there will be bugs. Let me know if you notice anything odd.
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c4l3m (611 D)
07 Sep 07 UTC
Game when we are dead
I suggest you remove the game from our game list or give us the option to remove it when we are dead.


Thx
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dangermouse (5551 D)
06 Sep 07 UTC
An impressive game
Ok, so I was just browsing some of the viewable games and came across what I think is one of the most interesting I've seen: Serbia's Revenge http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=1324

Two impressive highlights include Turkey's recovery from ONE supply depot and unit to take the lead with a current count of 14 SDs (very impressive job experienced). Just as impressive, Germany managed to control 17 SD at the end of one year (1911 I think) He then took 3 more in the spring for a total of 20. But was driven back down to 17 in the Fall and as such didn't win. He has now been virtually eliminated.
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