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hecks (164 D)
25 Jul 13 UTC
Pet Photos
Post links to cute photos of your pets here.
Then predict how long before this thread goes political.
*bonus points to anyone who has a pet named Calvin Coolidge.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Arguing vs. Debating
Arguing is about bluster whereas debate is more about learning, than it is necessarily impressing the other side with how awesome your beliefs are.

Discuss.
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dirge (768 D(B))
21 Jul 13 UTC
Your favorite Avalon Hill style table top paper-cardboard-and-dice game?
A question for the old folks out there.
I don't remember the name of it, probably D-Day. Boxed, AH style. Covered Normandy invasion and reconquest of France. Played that over and over again back in the day. Good times.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
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hey JMO, Fuck you asswipe!
My phone doesn't speak fucking Star Wars and autocorrects Lando to Landowner the first time after each reboot (doesn't want to hold it in the dictionary) and you fucking *threaten* me? Fuck you and the horse you rode in on! Next time *ask* me in PM if that was my intent or do a little research with a brain that has common sense like abgemacht's. You're a fucking cunt!
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guy~~ (3779 D(B))
23 Jul 13 UTC
Question on new Americas' variant - 34 to solo?
Anyone have any idea why it is 34 SCs to solo? There are only about 58 or 59 SCs altogether so just wondering why the threshold isn't lower.
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Tardigrade (102 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
American game in need of people.
There is currently an American game titled "The Great War for Texornia" that has five spaces left. The five people currently listed do know each other. Alliances and enemies however, will be made under circumstance and not pre-game relationships. Please take that into account if you sign up. The toll is 15 D and the ps is turner.
gameID=123095
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krellin (80 DX)
23 Jul 13 UTC
Carlos Danger!
Anthony Weiner - Racist Sexist Liberal? Uses Hispanic-sounding name "Carlos" while trolling for sex and spreading images of his namesake. And clearly insults all Hispanics by attaching "Danger" to his Hispanic alias...lol Too funny!
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/07/23/weiner-i-am-very-sorry-for-latest-sexting-revelations/
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dirge (768 D(B))
19 Jul 13 UTC
What activist do you hate the worst
Activists of all political stripes are some of the most annoying and intelligence reducing people on earth. Name your most hated activist.

Right at the moment, I'm thinking Julian Assange. His pathological narcissism only serves to flimsily mask his profound idiocy.
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joshildinho101 (128 D)
23 Jul 13 UTC
Gen Con Indy 2013!
This will be my first Gen Con, and I am very excited. I already signed up to be in as many diplomacy games as possible, are there any other games, similar to diplomacy, that I should look into? Ive been searching for an online multiplayer type game that involves controlling ones armies in actual battle. Does anyone know of any good ones?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
EoG thread: I would like your home SCs and a raspberry muffin
EoG thread for gameID=120098
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
23 Jul 13 UTC
I've been Challenged
Hecks challenged me to work Calvin Coolidge into 60 different threads in the next four days. That is why you are seeing Calvin Coolidge everywhere. It is part of the Calvin Coolidge Day celebrations.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Who the World Reads the Most: UNESCO'S Top 50 Authors (Shakespeare #3!) ;)
http://www.unesco.org/xtrans/bsstatexp.aspx?crit1L=5&nTyp=min&topN=50
Note this list doesn't count "group" works (see: The Torah, Koran, Bible, etc., which were either written over centuries or...erm, God, and putting HIM on the list just isn't fair, :p ) but still, for all our literature discussions, it's interesting to see who gets translated the most and thus, arguably, is the most widely-read (in one sense)...Shakespeare at #3 I can see, but some of these are ODD...
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
So this is Top 50 in terms of TRANSLATION, not quality.

And I guess I can see why Agatha Christie might be #1...her mystery novels are pretty popular and accessible...and obviously Shakespeare makes sense...

But while Jules Verne was a good author--why is he #2? What did he ever write that catapulted him THAT high? "20,000 Leagues Under the Sea" and other works are fun and all...but are they really as widely-read as Christie's or as critically-acclaimed as Shakespeare's works?

I'm really curious as to why this might be--any guesses?

Then again...Danielle Steele beats out Lenin on this list...

And given one is a best-selling romance/family drama author and the other is easily a Top 10 figure in the 20th century in terms of overall impact...

I can get popularity trumping importance or quality, but seriously--what did Jules Verne write to get him to #2? xD Do the Chinese just love the adventures of Captain Nemo that much? :p
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Popularity has nothing to do with quality, obi.
Sbyvl36 (439 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
What's the UNESCO?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
24 Jul 13 UTC
I'm not surprised by Verne at all. To be translated that much, you need to be able to appeal to an enormous audience. Everyone loves adventure and Verne has written some of the best adventure novels there are. Further, because his stories take place in strange locations, there isn't a particularly strong nationality bias in most of his works.
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
I can't find the methodology on the site. Is it just the number of translated editions each author has? If so then that's... pretty boring.

As native English speakers, I don't think a lot of us here realize how important and hard translation really is, especially for literature. The hardest thing I ever had to do in undergrad was translate some Luther, Kafka, and Goethe writings from German. It was required for my secondary degree, which was German. But at the same time, the fact that Agatha Christie has more works in translation than Marx is little more than trivia. Apart from the fact that they're both writers there's pretty much nothing else in common.

If I didn't know better I'd think this was just a make-work project now used as bait to get hits to their website. But who ever heard of a United Nations organization wasting time and resources like that? Oh...
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
You also have to consider the total number of literary works for the author. If you consider each of Poe's short stories as a separate piece, then translating his entire works to German would be a significant chunk of "translations"
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Well, I doubt people are publishing his short stories in translation as stand-alones. More likely it's anthologies.

And that's just assuming I'm right on the number to the right of the authors' names being the number of translations. There's literally nothing explaining what that number may mean.
SacredDigits (102 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Man, I once had to translate a poem from Mandarin to English and try to force it into an English style poetic meter...that was probably more brutal than if I had actually tried to write a poem from scratch. So, as Invictus says, translation is hard, and the more technical a work is, the harder it is to translate. So an accessible novel would be easier to translate than a treatise on philosophy, to say nothing of the fact that some nations will not allow works like Lenin's or any other person with a viewpoint they see antithetical to their country. Agatha Christie and Jules Verne don't have a lot to object to in their works.
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Cool link. Thanks.
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
@Invictus, that's my point. Verne has tons of novels that are published standalone. Poe was novellas and short stories and poems published as anthologies. Conan-Doyle's Sherlock Holmes was mostly short stories published in collections. H.G. Wells, on the other hand, was novels like Verne. So the more prolific in novels an author the better his ranking.
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Ugh, translating poetry? That sounds like torture. I remember a whole chapter in one of the translation textbooks (sleeping pills) was about how that may technically be impossible. I think one example was how you can possibly get the symbolism of snow in some European poem into Bahasa Indonesia, which obviously isn't really set up for that kind of idea. Do you just go for it and not be idiomatic? Do you try and find an analogue? Do you get a similar idea across but change the way you do so drastically? And keep in mind it has to be good at the end.

One of the grad students who took the one of the classes did her presentation on translating songs. From what I remember people just kind wing it.


Again, translation is very important and there's a lot to say. It's not really that interesting, but the two previous points still stand. The thing is this list doesn't seem all that useful beyond being a piece of trivia.
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Fair enough, Draugnar. Assuming that's even what the number means. Which I for one can't tell for sure.
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
I don't know, 99 Luftballoons and 99 Red Balloons work. I don't know how accurate the translation is though. And ther are many hymns that translate well. Verdi, Verdi, Emmanuel / O' Come, O' Come. Emmanuel and Stille Nicht/Silent Night come to mind.
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Stille Nacht...
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
and Veni Veni Emmanuel. Brain fry tonight.
SacredDigits (102 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Most songs, poems, et cetera et cetera are not direct word for word translations, and the translator is expected to find a way to make it still work as a song, poem, et cetera. This might be a problem with Shakespeare, as he occasionally goes into poetry.

It's not that hymns and songs like 99 Luftballons "translate well," it's that someone translated them well, if you get my meaning. And yes, people just kind of wing it all the time. Mandarin to English and keeping it a poem was tough, because Mandarin concepts of what constitutes a poem and English concepts aren't really on the same page, even if you could literally translate it word for word (which you can't anyway, since sentence structure is super different).
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
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Draugnar, why do always have to try and one-up people when you don't actually know what you're talking about? 99 Luftballons does not translate as red balloons but just balloons, literally air balloons. The lyrics, while they follow the same plot, are very different. That's why I mean by winging it. Translating lyrics has to fit the tune of the song, so since the German part about gasoline canisters does not fit into The tune in English they have to basically just rewrite that part and others. Same, I assume with the others.

Dude, just because you can recognize the word replacement in son titles doesn't mean you know anything about this. I don't even, really, I just got my feet wet in this mind crushingly boring discipline and can appreciate how endlessly complicated it gets. There almost no more intellectually challenging task.
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
That's what I said. I said I don't know how accurate the translation was. I;ve no doubt it's a royal pain in the ass and that making a "beautiful" lyruic translation probably means changing the lyrics altogether a lot fo times. I wasn't trying to one up anyone (hell, I didn't do the translations) just pointing out some songs where, not knowing how accurate the translations are, the lyrics come out beautifully in English and their original languages.
SacredDigits (102 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
I'm a bad person to talk to about this since I've done translation professionally, still do it freelance, and so while Invictus calls it mind crushingly boring (and he is likely 100% right), I find it really fascinating and could talk all day. And all day tomorrow too and until the end of time.
Draugnar (0 DX)
24 Jul 13 UTC
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Gotta give majors props to John Mason Neale and Henry Sloane Coffin for Veni, Veni, Emmanuel. Google translate makes it clear that they did a great job!

Veni, veni Emmanuel;
Captivum solve Israel,
Qui gemit in exilio,
Privatus Dei Filio.

Gaude! Gaude! Emmanuel,
Nascetur pro te, Israel!



I came, Emmanuel;
Ransom captive Israel,
Who mourns in lonely exile
Son of God.

Rejoice! Rejoice! Emmanuel;
Born for you, Israel!
Invictus (240 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
I mean boring for the uninitiated. I can talk and talk about it too, since it really changes your perspective on everything not written originally I your native tongue. But it's one of those things that can be both fascinating and unbearably tedious at the same time.


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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
22 Jul 13 UTC
Subs for The Masters
Rounds 5 and 6 are set to start and I need 4-5 people willing to step in. If more apply than I need, highest GR and reliability go in first.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
22 Jul 13 UTC
Movie Recommendatin Please
As per below

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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Thank you Roger...
...for having paid a visit to me tonight,it was nice to see you again(after 30 years) !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peatix-r_h4
Say hello to David,Nick and especialy Rick (R.I.P) for me,love you guys!
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Mods please check your email
^
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kitsyprime (353 D)
24 Jul 13 UTC
Please Investigate WTA Live Gunboat-12 for cheating
France and England are remarkably co-ordinated. Please investigate.
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jimgov (219 D(B))
22 Jul 13 UTC
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Games being force processed in New Variant Gunboat Series
Although we started the games in the New Variant Gunboat Series with the now defunct rule of wait mode, some people have completely taken advantage of it. I am advancing the games that are overdue by at least 5 days tomorrow night. If you want to make your moves, please do so now. Thanks.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
23 Jul 13 UTC
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New prince in England
I doubt anybody here cares a great deal, but I have high hopes that the thread will evolve into some kind of massive insult-fest on an irrelevant topic.

Anyway, I wish the happy couple and the young royal lad all the best.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
23 Jul 13 UTC
punctuation
When you quote a sentence, then end the sentence the quote is in, does the start of the sentence the quote is in start with a capital or not?
So is it: "No." he said
Or is it: "No." He said.
Or is it something else?
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duckofspades (170 D)
12 Jul 13 UTC
Draws
I have just started playing Diplomacy. I have noticed draws are very common. Games with nearly destroyed players drawing. Is that mind set of most players going into the game. "I'm going to draw". I tend to vote draw allot being new and wanting to just not die. Can threads add a poll. It would be fun to see how many players go for draw vs victory as a pregame goal.
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HighPlainsDrifter (228 D)
23 Jul 13 UTC
Need some help here...
I submitted orders correctly, double checked them, saved etc... and the game somehow misinterpreted them or didn't operate correctly and instead of getting an SC, I got bounced. Is there anyway to fix this short of coming to some agreement with the players in the game?
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Mosca (102 D)
22 Jul 13 UTC
Would really like to play a live game at a reasonable hour...
I got a classic live game set up for 45 minutes from now and we only need 2 more players. It's a 10 point buy-in, WTA.

gameID=123525
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donaldworrell (100 D)
19 Jul 13 UTC
standard games
i am new and want to join a standard 1901 game. whatam I looking for..
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
21 Jul 13 UTC
World Cup Minnows
Seeing as the CONCACAF Gold Cup is underway, and all football eyes aimed at Brazil next year, I'm wondering if this may be the year for CONCACAF, AFC, or CAF to finally break thru and win the big one. What's your take? Which country poses the biggest threat to CONMEBOL and UEFA's dominance next year?
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snowden007 (102 D)
21 Jul 13 UTC
I'm new. How do I submit an order?
My home page says I have no orders to submit. I don't see an obvious place to submit them. Please help!
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Jul 13 UTC
Good Takeover Position
gameID=119692 ... 7-center Ukraine needs a caretaker. Can be a good position with some diplomatic effort.
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
21 Jul 13 UTC
R.I.P. Mel Smith
A comic genius. Dead before his time.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
22 Jul 13 UTC
What to do about the death penalty...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYzrdn7YLCM
really interesting talk. Not the conversation i was thinking about starting, but this seemed more important.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
19 Jul 13 UTC
DETROIT - living the American dream
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-23369573

The perfect beauty of capitalism and lack of urban and regional planning, Detroit has filed for bankruptcy and they only owe $20bn, the govt owes $17tn but no need to panic, apparently everything is fine..... phew !!
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