@ Split Diplomat (about Gavri)
"as a person who likes to participate in the threads about the Christianity,the meaning of life and human values why don't you introduce yourself to the community of webdip and tell them about the human values you promote and admire."Yet SplitDiplomat, gavri has specifically told us (in response to my first prodding about telling his good ideas)
> Seems to me that you would get farther extolling the virtues of what you believe, rather than spending so much time attacking a belief itself.
“I don't think so. We're in the kind of society where people can say what they want and easily be ignored. That's pretty good, it's halfway to the ideal.”
He’s not going to tell us his beliefs because they might be ignored, little bit of insecurity there. I’ll have to say I’m uninterested in his ideal if people saying what they want and being ignored for it is half way there. Especially when I was inviting him to be part of a positive discourse in the fist place.
“But criticizing certain ideas makes a lot of people freak out.”
With all of his profession of valuing logic and reason. He’s out for an emotional response (as if we didn’t know that already).
“I specifically want it to be more widely socially acceptable to tell people their ideas are destructive and wrong. And even shitty and stupid (though I, personally, don't like saying that kind of stuff).”
A contradiction. He doesn’t like saying this kind of stuff, but does to further some end. Why should he compromise his principles in an effort to gain and end? Even if you get what you want it probably wasn’t worth it.
This also reminds me of a story from “Zen in the Martial Arts” by Joe Hyams. It comes under the Chapter heading “Lengthen Your Line” in which the author receives a lesson from Kenpo master Ed Parker. The upshot is (from memory) that Ed had two students draw a line on the ground then took their chalk. The other student’s line was longer so Ed told the author “make your line longer than his” and the author started erasing the other guy’s line. Ed corrected him, why are you trying to make his line shorter, just ask for the chalk back and draw yours longer. The martial arts message was don’t worry about the competition, focus on making your own technique the best it can be. I can tell you from experience in martial arts, the guys that are worried about being the best don’t usually last, they get frustrated easily. The ones that are there because they like the art and really want to learn as much as they can about it are the ones that will usually make it longer. So I agree with Ed on this. I mean do you really pay that much attention to commercials that slam the competition, I don’t see a lot of those on Super Bowl Sunday.
The only way I can see to get there is by desensitizing people. I.e. by doing it.
This just sounds like a lack of imagination. I mean you said I was tribal and that has led to a whole lot of fun for me.
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