All other things being equal, GR is a tie breaker, but anon is one of the only things not up for change. ora and I both like the non-anon nature. If you want anon, there is the masters and GFDT. The leagues have always been, are, and always will be (at least as long as I'm a TD) non-anon.

I think 48 hours might be doable.

I still haven't seen much from orathaic here. But he has been busy with the signups and stuff.

And the leagues have always had an element of meta to them. That is part of what sets them apart. The meta *must* be kept withint the leagues, though, and be for position. If I hear of metagaming to gang up on someone at the get go because they are "better" than everyone else, I will ask orathaic to have the mods look into it. That type of metagaming will *not* be tolerated.

Oh Draugnar I'm going to kiss your ass so hard in the Premier League!!!!

So revised rules:

4 league levels:, Premiere (P), A League (A), 2 B Leagues (B), unlimited Open Leagues (O)

P, A, and B are 14 players per group
O is 7 players per group

P & A are one group only
B is two groups
O is as many groups as we need

P will see 7 demotions (top half stay)
A will see 6 promotions, 3 demotions (5 stay)
B will see 1 double promotion, 2 promotions, and up to 10 demotions
O will see 1 double promotion and one promotion per league up to 10

Open and B leagues double promote the overall winner, and promote the individual league winners and the best second place position.

We still need to hash out how long the phases will be. Is anyone against bumping them to 48 or 50 hours? And do we want to start two games at once with a month between starts? Or start one at a time with 2 weeks between them?

Major rule here (and it will be enforced): Meta should be kept *within* the leagues. Play for position, not to target the big point/GR players.

Seeding...

P, A, and B are immutable. They have to account for last season's results.

I would like to try something different with open leagues to help those concerned with metagaming as they come in new. Players demoted from last years C leagues will be top seeded and play each other and the best from the D leagues as needed to fill out the next multiple of 7.

The rest of last season's D leagues will be sorted with the new players and seeded by GR so that groupings should be as close as possible in GR. This should reduce some of the temptation to meta-league. After all, if you didn't get promoted, then seeding by GR should keep things more fair all around. Interim promotions due to drop outs and such will still be based on prior season performance to encourage and reward continuous play across seasons.

@hellalt - you should be kissing my ass in the game we are playing now... ;-)

Wow, this is super-complicated. Thanks for doing all this, Draug and Ora.

I'll go to the website you guys set up and post my interest.

would i, could i, subject myself to enter the league!? tempting...

although i don't seem to have any email... not even in the junk... when was it sent out?

oh - wait - found the email... sorry...

when do i have to confirm by?

I submitted my confirmation but it stated there was some sort of error. FYI.

If we do 48+ turns, these games will last a full year. Are you aware of that?

Perhaps 48 hours with mandatory lock-in on builds/retreats?

If we run the games in pairs and start 3 weeks apart along with the diplomats' agreement to always finalize builds and retreats.

48-hour games last forever. Can we split the difference on 36, maybe?

Let's take a vote...

25: 1 (+1)
36: 0
48: 0

@tru ninja, there may be some problem, because my silly webpage is hacked together and much more complicated than it needs be...

you should be able to click the link and the 'confirmation' button to see the page load
and it should list you confirmation status. (which you can also change) - actually Tru, i think the space in your name messed up my system, cause i forgot to test it with names which have spaces... d'oh.

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sorry, have been away so just catching up now

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@anon for lower levels/open leagues, I don't think this is necessarily. I know there is some risk, but being ganged up on in one game means you are less of a threat in a second game (and thus a useful ally) i think if you're good enough you should be able to play the group against each other and undermine any such alliance against you.
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i think the timing between games should be ~ S1906
So with a 24 hour game that means ~ 2 weeks.
With a 36 hour game then it should be a 3 week gap.

This leaves your first game ending as your third game starts, and your 2nd game ending as the 4th starts - this means you have an idea of who's doing well in your group by the time you start game 4 but you're never certain, and game 3 is still open. I think this format works.

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as for anything about seeding.
Your points in a league come AFTER ranking based on your performance. If you were first in C1 but only managed 10.4 that's still better than 2nd in C2 with 19 . (because you are only earning points to have the best position within your sub-division of the C league - at least that is my understanding of the intention.)

@Draug, can we have STV (single transferable vote?)

or everyone gets to vote for all the options they are happy to play (to get the optimun play time)

25: 2 (+1)
36: 0
48: 0

We could go for the "vote for all you are willing and a double for the one you prefer"...

That mnakes my revised

25: 3 (+1)
36: 1 (+1)
48: 1 (+1)

Hi guys!
Would love to join the League this season!
However, I have not received an email?
Could you PM me a password, or game ID , so I can join?
Cheers Perry6006

I prefer 25, but am willing to do 36 and 48 hour games

So with Dux...

25: 5 (+2)
36: 2 (+1)
48: 2 (+1)

Perry, there is no games started yet. Did you play last season? PM me (or email me, it's in my profile) and we'll get you properly seeded.

@Perry, you should have received an email, i sent one to the email address on the List alderain gave me (which is the same as the one you have hidden on your webdip profile...) You are on the list seeded in 30th (of ~100)

if we get to vote for more than one... then mine should include this...
25: 5
36: 3 (+1)
48: 2

25 : 6 (+1)
36: 5 (+2)
48: 3 (+1)

25: 7 (+1)
36: 5
48: 3

Adding mine; with a nod to the idea of running the games in pairs (or giving only a week before starting game 2).

25: 5
36: 4 (+1)
48: 4 (+2)

Wow... that was fast. Revised

25: 7
36: 6(+1)
48: 5(+2)

My votes added:

25: 7
36: 7 (+1)
48: 7 (+2)
That should resolve things...

Lol... it's much clearer now plastic