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Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Sep 12 UTC
@Bob Genghiskahn...
I'm watching Bill and Ted and the guys just introduced you to Missy. Can't wait for you to trash the sporting goods store.
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Skittles (1014 D)
02 Sep 12 UTC
EOG: Symphony of terror; aka the dumbest game in the history of webdip
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
01 Sep 12 UTC
Live WTA-GB 57 EoG
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=98484

Germany CD's, everyone votes to Draw, but not SplitDiplomat. Nope, he votes to Cancel/Pause. What a joke. Split, you are the ultimate KING of playing through CD's. You're a piece of work.
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krellin (80 DX)
01 Sep 12 UTC
Need ONE Fantasy Football Manager
Need ONE....just one....

Yahoo.League 651742
Password: webdip
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President Eden (2750 D)
27 Aug 12 UTC
Here comes a storm!
Post all Hurricane Isaac related news here.

I would normally be worried, but, well, you know. The land has ways of shutting down them storms to make sure they don't do too much damage, so as long as it's a legitimate hurricane I think we'll be okay.
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
01 Sep 12 UTC
Classy revenge prank - seeking suggestions/accomplices
See inside for details.
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
31 Aug 12 UTC
the leagues...2012
i never got an email or my invitation but i see that some games have started...someone want to tell me what the hell is going on?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
25 Aug 12 UTC
Help for all you Webdip freeloaders ......
Just use this link ..... sign in to Paypal and do the right thing, you know you want to, you'll feel a lot better when you've done it, like giving blood but easier :-)
https://www.paypal.com/au/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=r5kSzbe_mLYlkr_XofJ0MHSEP5uNS1j0hSCK1TXSdVexz3icKYZhP1SWdoi&dispatch=50a222a57771920b6a3d7b606239e4d529b525e0b7e69bf0224adecfb0124e9b61f737ba21b08198d4932d04262264a8f2ad7cb498e6e144

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dangermouse (5551 D)
01 Sep 12 UTC
How I broke my computer with Avast
So, I ran a full scan with Avast yesterday and it found several thousand files that it classified as threats. I looked through them a bit, many seemed to be .dlls but but without giving it a lot of thought I instructed Avast to attempt repairs. This seems to have been a terrible mistake.
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Sydney City (0 DX)
01 Sep 12 UTC
First day of Spring
WOO HOO!
That is.... for all Southern Hemisphere peoples:)
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DrCJG (1228 D)
01 Sep 12 UTC
Need 2 more for an introductory game.... starts in 2.5 hrs
Game: Duke 1L
Password: Iqbal
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
30 Aug 12 UTC
Racist Republicans...... in 2012, in the USA
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19414600

This is so incredulous I'm posting it again......a black camerawoman gets nuts chucked at her by racist Republican supporters
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
01 Sep 12 UTC
EoG: Mum's the word
Some people just weren't that good...
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jabberjawsjr (100 D)
01 Sep 12 UTC
Need a sitter
I need a sitter from tomorrow to Monday. Its a couple day period but you only need to log in once, after the phase change of gameID=92739 . PM me if you are interested.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
26 Aug 12 UTC
****Every forum needs its characters****
Ant there are a few on here that I have muchly enjoyed.
I will name a few and please feel free to do likewise.
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
31 Aug 12 UTC
Go Blue!
Just about 24 hours until Michigan takes on the defending National Champion Alabama.

Go Blue!
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Tasnica (3366 D)
21 Jul 12 UTC
Dubmdell Gunboat Invitational
Figured that I would re-make this thread, since at least one of the 14 games has concluded.
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Mapu (362 D)
30 Aug 12 UTC
17-17 game...
I'm in a 17-17 game as Carthage. Pretty exciting -- it looks like I have an opening in Dalmatia to get the win:

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97378#gamePanel
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Aug 12 UTC
Republican National Convention Speeches
Evaluations so far, and then afterward, when Romney's given his?
(To go first--don't agree with him, obviously, but CLINT EASTWOOD IS HILARIOUS!) xD

Can he follow that? Do ya feel lucky, Romney? Well, do ya? ;)
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Mapu (362 D)
27 Aug 12 UTC
I need some Pro Tips please!
I've been playing on the site for a few weeks now after playing the board game several times in the past. The thing I am finding the most difficult is being too trusting.
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tarspaceheel (503 D)
31 Aug 12 UTC
Gunboating as Italy
Is there anything to be done? I'm just coming off of my second gunboat in a row being assigned Italy, and I'm finding that Italy's already-weak position in a standard-press game quickly turns disastrous without the ability to negotiate with potential allies.

Is there any way to help this situation? Anyone with experience winning, or at least getting a strong draw with Italy?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
25 Aug 12 UTC
****** It's Official ******
........ Romney is a complete fuckwit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19372536

Is he trying to lose on purpose, the man is an idiot !!
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Aug 12 UTC
For Once, I Have Sympathy For...Ron Paul?
http://news.yahoo.com/gop-convention-floor-fight-averted-005806537--abc-news-politics.html I dislike Paul. I don't like his politics, and I'm iffy on his character. Even still, threatening to silence those at the GOP National Convention who would cast delegate votes for him instead of Romney...if your ticket is so weak you can only foster party unity by silencing part of your party, what does it say about the strength and quality of that ticket?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
28 Aug 12 UTC
@semck:

I did mean it for this and future conventions, so for what I degree I got it wrong, mea culpa...

But I disagree regarding the seating changes.

Yes, of course it's political...it's a political convention, what isn't political at a political convention? :)

That being said, I disagree with the notion of not reading a lot into that--I think it shows at least three things:

1. The Paulites, love them or hate them, ARE now sizable enough that they can't just be shrugged off as being innocuous, clearly the RNC/Romney campaign viewed them as vocal and strong enough to pose a divisive threat.

2. Romney's Republican base, as I've said time and time again, isn't as strong as his proponents would like to pretend it is--and that was BEFORE this shafting. Romney NEEDS every Republican vote he can get, and then a good many undecided/Independent voters, if he has a shot at those vital swing states...by alienating both fellow Republican voters and voters within those swing states (Minnesota and Nevada, to name two, both of which Romney could really use wins in) Romney...well, continues his trend of shooting himself in the foot, actually:

I've heard all through this election cycle that Romney needs to challenge Obama on the economy head-on and...THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT.

But while he's certainly tried to do that, he's also had to contend with the fact that in personal likability polls, Obama still ousts him every time, and that his public image is that of a white elitist businessman--

He needs to play up the "businessman" part of that, but, intentionally or not, he's fumbled his way into having those first two descriptors become just as prominent in his public image as the third.

He has LOST the Latino vote, the Black vote, likely now the majority of the Women's vote...

So far, he's excelled at ALIENATING people, when what he's had to do all along is approach all these people on the subject of the economy, zero in on that, and hammer with that without getting off-track or coming off as a white elitist.

And he HAS strayed, and he HAS lost a lot of blocs and votes.

Blame it on a poor campaign manager, maybe, but how many times have we heard this summer that Romney/the GOP has alienated this base or that?

And now you alienate people within your own base, fellow Republicans?

NOT a smart electoral strategy.

3. What I've said from the start--this may be a close race, but Romney is NOT a strong candidate, his strength entirely comes from a weakened economy; very little comes from his actually being a strong candidate.

Love or hate them, Obama in '08 and Ron Paul this year were stronger candidates--they had a real air about them, and people felt they could genuinely solve their problems.

I'd submit the vote is more For/Against Obama rather than it actually being Obama/Romney...Romney's a compromise candidate if ever there was one.

And it shows.

He may still win, and maybe he can turn it around, but:

1. This was another in a long a poor campaign/GOP moves this election season.
2. Romney HAS to turn it around and has to have a very, very strong convention
3. Obama is still the stronger personality and candidate of the two
4. It's more Pro/Anti-Obama than actually voting for Romney with many Americans
5. If Romney continues alienating voting blocs, and especially in key states...
semck83 (229 D(B))
28 Aug 12 UTC
I'm sorry, obiwan, you obviously misunderstood my point. The emphasis in saying "This is a political convention" was not on the political, but on the convention. Political conventions are all about marketing. Ever since 1968 Chicago blew up in the Dems' faces, one of the main goal of every political convention organizer has been to avoid serious embarrassment, and this includes marginalizing the voices of those who tend to oppose the favored candidate. This is completely routine, and is part of the marketing blitz that is a political convention. I guess you're new to caring about politics, so you might not realize this, but it's true.

As for whether it was wise strategy -- well, saying Paul is a stronger candidate than Romney, or comparing him to Obama in '08, is pretty silly imho. He has energized voters, but he does not have broad appeal, which is a necessity for a strong candidate. As for "alienating" Paul voters -- precisely what they're doing (although in the future) is keeping Paul voters who already are alienated from getting on screen and trying to alienate more. Is it good? Marketing-wise, very likely.

Also, the new rule doesn't actually "silence" anybody. All it does is put in place rules that make it more likely that delegates will actually vote the way the primary voters in their state told them to. I don't see how this is supposed to be so undemocratic. What's good about a state that votes (say) completely for Romney ending up with a Paul delegate because Paul's people are good at gaming conventions? Is that really so desirable? That's all that this rule change prevents.
Invictus (240 D)
28 Aug 12 UTC
obiwanobiwan, where's your outrage at the Democrats not even seating the delegates won by people other that Obama? I think there are over thirty of them.

This Ron Paul business was all handled very poorly by the RNC, but the new rule isn't really so bad an idea. If you ask me it needs to go further, where we don't have caucuses at all and the number of delegates is based off of primary results alone. I support Ron Paul on the great majority of his positions, but neither him or anyone else should get delegates just because their supporters showed up at some caucus people are barely aware of while another candidate did better at the actual primary.

Interestingly, playing the caucus game is the reason Obama won the nomination in 2008 rather than Hilary.
Draugnar (0 DX)
28 Aug 12 UTC
Political conventions are all about the show. It gives the candidates and their supporters a chance to get free advertising and allows people like the wives and children a chance to appeal to yet another group by saying "I'm like you and here is what my husband/dad will do for you."
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
@Invictus:

Well, I haven't heard much about anti-Obama delegates at the DNC in 2012 (for 2008, maybe, but would make more sense, after all, Hillary was--and might just be again--a very strong candidate) but, to play devil's advocate best I can:

1. He IS the incumbent President, and his Party will obviously run him, it's not as if they had a primary season like one the Republicans did with many candidates, so there's a bit more excuse for the Party backing Obama, whereas technically Romney wasn't yet the GOP Nominee, so a move that would marginalize Ron Paul supporters at a convention where they still have to technically nominate Romney seems a bit more out of line and not in the spirit these conventions were born into in the first place.

2. Again, haven't heard of any real anti-Obama Democratic challenger in 2012, but Ron Paul, love or hate him, definitely counts as a challenger in 2012 for Romney, so again, to marginalize him seems out of line, its not like silencing a few small nobodies (as, to be fair, at one point blocking out RP often was, a very small but very vocal base) it's marginalizing someone that millions now would actually vote for, and I can't help but think, again, that's not only disrespectful and not in the spirit of democracy and unity as these conventions are supposed to convey, but not at all the way to unify a fractured base.

And I'll agree and disagree:

I agree it should be primaries-only and not caucuses...BUT...

As long as we still have them, the delegates from caucuses should still be allowed to voice their vote.

And again, I think this speaks once more to how (somewhat astonishingly) strong RP has become as a candidate and how ultimately weak and compromise-worthy a candidate Romney is:

If Romney were a stronger candidate, this wouldn't be an issue, there would be no fear that there would be a significant rift at the convention.

"As for whether it was wise strategy -- well, saying Paul is a stronger candidate than Romney, or comparing him to Obama in '08, is pretty silly imho. He has energized voters, but he does not have broad appeal, which is a necessity for a strong candidate."

Well, he doesn't have a broad appeal, but I think the fact that he's had enough appeal to still have some political clout and essentially stand as an informal leader of sorts to a large and young portion of the Republican base...

You're right, doesn't make him Obama in '08, but I'd think it'd necessitate better treatment...again, it's another example of the GOP alienating rather than courting electoral groups--

Wouldn't you want to court these people and their votes if you were the GOP, rather than give the impression you could care less about them and give them the shaft?

It's not like the GOP has a runaway landslide going or can spare votes easily, either--

They NEED Ohio or Florida, one or the other, to even have a CHANCE at winning.

The latest projections show 237-191 Obama over Romney with the swing states still in play...

If Obama does win Florida--and that's not at all a given, but he does have a slight lead there now and won it in 2008--then Romney basically has to sweep the rest of the board.

Is it smart to alienate voters in Nevada, then, first with anti-Latino rhetoric and now by shafting the delegates they sent?
Tolstoy (1962 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Apparently Semck is in favor of a political system where our candidates are chosen for us in secret by media executives, party bosses, and corporate overlords.

No thanks! I'd much prefer a system where informed and motivated people of the community make the choices, starting from the precinct caucus and working their way up.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Ann Romney wants to talk to us tonight...

"Not about politics, or party...but about LOVE."

...

1. Your husband is receiving the Republican Nomination for President, madame...how much more political can you get?

2. Whoever wrote "I want to talk to you tonight about...LOVE" needs to be fired...Stephenie Meyer would denounce that as simpering hack writing, for heaven's sake...
semck83 (229 D(B))
29 Aug 12 UTC
" Apparently Semck is in favor of a political system where our candidates are chosen for us in secret by media executives, party bosses, and corporate overlords."

No, Tolstoy. I'm in favor of a political system where our candidates are chosen for us publicly by us, in elections and caucuses. It is the Ron Paul people here who wanted a system where back-room maneuvering could replace the elected delegates with others who would not represent them, and who would not be bound to express the will of the people. Your accusation is simply bizarre.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Well, you're a naked hypocrite then obiwanobiwan. The thirty-odd delegates which were legitimately earned by candidates opposing Obama in the primaries are not being seated. If you don't like what the GOP has done with Paul's people you have to feel the same way about these other ones. Otherwise you're a stooge.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
I didn't say they shouldn't be seated--they should.

I'm just saying I can understand it more from a political and logical standpoint for the Democrats than Republicans--

The Democrats already know they're running Obama, and have a lead in most electoral maps...

The Republicans need every vote and to heal the fissures in the party, they can't afford having divided loyalties come election time, so dealing with the Republican Libertarians like this doesn't make political or logical sense, especially as they are representing swing states Romney needs to win.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
You're just making that up. He has over 90% support from Republicans, which I believe is higher than Obama's percentage with Democrats.

As for them representing swing states, they don't. That's not really how delegates work. Treating Paul's supporters like this was a mistake in the medium term, but it won't have a serious effect on the election.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Again--

I submit the Anti-Obama Platform (which Romney just happens to have emerged as the candidate in) has 90% of the Republican vote.

Boehner himself even said that this is "a referendum on the President."

It's Pro/Anti Obama, and Romney just happened to be lucky and rich enough to win the nomination; he's a compromise candidate through and through.

Who, months ago (and aside from the diehards, who, even NOW) is jumping up and down for Mitt Romney?

By contrast, Obama, Hillary in '08, Paul, and Santorum all genuinely energized people, despite my obviously not liking the last two.

It's very much "Who do you hate worse--a so-so President that hasn't been as effective economically as we'd hoped, or an elitist white not-quite-a-WASP WASP who also has social and political drawbacks and is a compromise candidate?"

In short:

It's Bush/Kerry all over again, hold your nose and vote for the one who stinks the least.

Bush won, vulnerable though he was, because the Democratic nominee, Kerry, was not at all a force and was glaringly a compromise candidate, and one who smacked of wealthy-white-elitism as badly as Romney does, I might add.

By that same stroke, I think Obama will win this time around as well.

Romney can blast Obama on the economy.
Obama can blast Romney on quite a few social policies.
Romney has the white conservative base (assuming he doesn't fracture it.)
Obama has quite a diverse base.

They both have talking points...

But
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
That's a different argument entirely.
Ha, I laughed sooo hard
Its like republicans just want a rebellion on their hands in the general election
Putin33 (111 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
The establishment wants to punish effort and activism. Reward the lazy primary voter over the caucus goer where money has less influence.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Caucuses are wildly undemocratic. The Democrats in Iowa don't even have secret ballots. If going to the polls is good enough to pick who's going to be president, I don't see why we need anything other than a primary to pick who gets a party's nomination.
Putin33 (111 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Any person who supports a campaign that forced Ohio coal miners to attend a Romney rally by threatening them with termination for not attending isnt an authority on democracy.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Link or it didn't happen.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Well, it sounds like the Paulites made themselves heard a bit...

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/ron-paul-delegates-cause-ruckus-convention-floor-235335083.html?_esi=1
Tolstoy (1962 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
"I don't see why we need anything other than a primary to pick who gets a party's nomination."

Because someone who shows up for a caucus is a heckuva lot more likely to be informed about what's going on and support a candidate with donations, precinct walking, and phone banking in the general election than a primary voter who thinks pulling a lever (for one of the two or three candidates the media decrees to be "electable") is the upper limit of civic responsibility. Maybe I'm just old fashioned. Maybe we shouldn't even have elections, and just call them for whoever raises the most money (with the media pundits perhaps getting a right of veto if said candidate won't generate enough 'newsworthiness').

"Caucuses are wildly undemocratic."

Only if you don't show up. What exactly is undemocratic about neighbors meeting locally, discussing their views, concerns, and objectives, and then electing someone willing to represent them? The reason the Ron Paul haters are in a tizzy about his 9% delegate showing (after all of the criminal shenanigans in various states, of course) is because they couldn't motivate anyone to show up in the state caucuses to support Romney. What does that say about the de facto Republican nominee? Pretty sad, if you ask me - a sign of the depths the country is seeking to, when you can't even find people to show up on a Saturday to GOTV and support the presumptive nominee at a county or state caucus/convention. Whining about Ron Paul's support and changing the rules because Romney couldn't find enough people willing to support him by donating a few hours of their time on a weekend is the ultimate surrender to the moneyed interests who drive the electoral system nowadays. How pathetic. Romney is going down in flames, and I'm popping a bottle of champagne when he does.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
And I also would like to see a link of that, Putin, if it did actually occur.
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Caucuses are relics of a bygone era. Primaries are more accurate and representative. We still aren't really sure if Romney or Santorum won Iowa since they lost votes in several precincts.

What's so bad about a secret ballot election?
Tolstoy (1962 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
"What's so bad about a secret ballot election?"

Because they're easy for election officials partial to one candidate or another to 'fix', that's why. What exactly is wrong with knowing how everyone votes?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/century-mine-romney-ohio-mandatory_n_1836674.html

where Putin is getting it from, a bit less extreme from what he said as is to be expected
Invictus (240 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Yeah. Rough deal for the coal miners, though.


"What exactly is wrong with knowing how everyone votes?"

I'm surprised a libertarian doesn't realize how scary that is.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
Hm. OK, yeah, that does seem rather out of line in regards to the coal workers...
^ seriously. How can a libertarian possibly suggest that.
Draugnar (0 DX)
29 Aug 12 UTC
@Tolstoy - Because that leads to voter intimidation. Duh!
Tolstoy (1962 D)
29 Aug 12 UTC
"I'm surprised a libertarian doesn't realize how scary that is."

The secret ballot is a 20th century innovation. It is only 'scary' when the great bulk of the public is dependent upon other people (corporate payroll or government welfare checks) for their survival.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Aug 12 UTC
League Season - Fall/Autumn 2012
Games starting now...

check your pms and emails (emails sent to the address you have registered on your webdip profile)
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Putin33 (111 D)
28 Aug 12 UTC
Amnesty International hacked
And exposed for being imperialist stooges. LOLOLOL.
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taos (281 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
games left(need replacement)
i am tyred of ppl quiting just because they think they can ruin my game!
the idea is to post here games left ,so we can find a replacement as fast as possible and continue with a new real human being as enemy.
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
19 Aug 12 UTC
The Ultimite Showdown
because the new thread got locked
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
30 Aug 12 UTC
Blind Anon Invitational Games
PM me if you are interested.
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oneirovatis (95 D)
30 Aug 12 UTC
come to play!
here http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=98360
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
29 Aug 12 UTC
Pres. Obama broke reddit
Doing an AMA right now.
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