Does this mean that server refreshes in live games will reduce and possibly prevent database crashes/overloads?

From CGWhite, via email:

From cgwhite32 "I'm playing this game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=13801 as France, and want to order Spain SC to Mars, however the drop down boxes don't allow me do to it. Now, since Mars and Spain share a coastline, surely I should be able to move there? Can you check and let me know?"

Bulgaria(SC) is unable to move to Constantinople... which I need to do in 30 minutes! But it keeps telling me that I can move to the Black Sea...

Hi Kestasjk - The issue with the mutual support holds is still happening as per the image I posted earlier in this thread (Firefox). I would post the game id but as it's anonymous I better not say anything else ;-)

gameID=13964
^If some mod could just change Bulgaria(SC) to move to Constantinople, then finalize for me, that would be great. Because I have to go, and this is an important move...

Kestas, you apparently implemented some code so that if you set up a convoy order with a fleet, the unit to be moved automatically has it's order entered.

This would be good, except it eliminates creative misordering as part of a stab. "See, I *ordered* that unit to move, but I messed up the destination, so it didn't go - so sorry that I have an army next to three undefended SCs of yours now!"

I am on Firefox 3.5.3 - I'd prefer not to mention the game, as it's an anonymous one.

Regarding the "can't have reciprocal support-holds", I notice that when the first unit is reverted back to a "hold" once the second unit is set to support-hold it, there are two "Hold" options on the order list.

I can send a pic if you desire

@ MercuryEnigma: From Kestas' post: "The server-side code hasn't changed, so if you disable the JavaScript you'll see no change, and orders are always going to be validated on the server, but make sure you really have entered your moves correctly by finalizing and double checking that they are getting saved."

So disable javascript, enter your orders, and you're good to go.

Geofram; yup that's the plan (that and a few other reasons listed above). Specifically record locking is a problem, at the moment it has to lock member and order records on every board view which is a big resource drain and causes deadlocks, once order generation is happening completely client side locking will only be needed for a brief final validation period

Mercury I'll add some time to the game before fixing that. Hardin, cgwhite I'll look at those now

strategos I had considered that, but I'm not convinced. Order drop-down lists also mean you can't say you screwed up and wrote an invalid order by mistake, but I think the ease of entering orders far outweighs the loss of a certain trick (it can't be used very often, I'd have thought, or it'd be pretty transparent).

Bear in mind also the plan is to add point and click orders eventually, in the end I think making things easier and clearer has to be the goal

Hi - game # 13785. Support orders for France not taking. I have tried refreshing the page, finalizing and un-finalizing etc.

Wow - fantastic idea... Problem is I'm using IE8 with the not-quite-totally-up-to-date Java and things are exactly as they were yesterday. Can't notice what everyone else is...

jarrah, make sure you have java enabled.
Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > scroll down until you see "Java (Sun)" > make sure "enable JRE" is checked.

If it still doesn't work, the first step would be to update java.

@ kestasjk

gameid= 13671 ; Browser: firefox 3.5

Now it's back to old style orders and we can finalize. (as I think you know ;) )
Seemed to be the problem at tanks that could have the convoy option.

I believe Kestas has reverted to the old style whilst he tries to fix the few support and hold bugs. It's getting later in the day, so more people will need working orders.

Hi Geofram. Thanks for your assistance but..

It was already selected - I get the dynamic times to go till the close of moves, etc, just not this one. But I'm not too fussed about it, so I'm happy to wait until it's implemented properly.

Cheers
Jarrah

PS: wasn't there an update that meant that when someone wrote your name in the fora that it automatically bolded it?? Doesn't seem to be happening any more.

New problem:
Game 14013; Firefox 3.5
I can't give orders to my trieste unit. Doesn't show any order options. :(

Okay. msgs must have crossed somewhere in the Pacific Ocean then (for those who are geographically challenged, that's the big watery bit next to California)

In one of my games, all it says is " The fleet at X . " Its an anon game, so I really don't want to say which it is... Another one of my games says the same thing...

gameID=14455
I am Austria and I am unable to enter any orders for my fleet in TRI. No options given whatsoever.

If you want my advice (i'm a programmer myself) try doing a beta version on a parallèle site and do your testing here. You might not have as much testing as you do now since everyone is kinda testing it live, but it is kinda frustrating to have to pu a hold on a game since some in it cant finalize at all.

Here is one of my game that is bugging (some of my army or fleet simply doesnt have the drop down menu). http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14327#orders

I'm currently in 4 game and will probly convince everyone to simply pause until a stable version is out ;)

P.S. : im on Firefox 3.5.3

thank you!

In my game Dune: Coriolis Wind I have no options for my berlin unit. If only I could direct this army properly I just know I will be in a postion to win the game.

Two units support holding each other doesn't work.

Sorry, let me explain...The second unit support holding the first, causes the first to say hold and vice versa. So only one can support the other. I would rather that you entered each order, and not had forced orders.

Should we delay the start of the tournaments, until this is fixed?

Correction, all problems solved, thank you!

Two units supporting each other should now work, and so should the coastal fleet->outside problems others were having.

Other people saying that their dropdowns aren't showing anything; I've checked the games and orders you mentioned and they're working here, refresh and let me know if they still don't work and which browser you're using.


Zwik; I do have a local dev version, but exhaustive testing for on a full range of browsers is definitely a burden I like to share ;-)
Once it's hacked together okay and I know where the rough edges are I go back and write something much nicer that does it the right way, but for my first javascript longer than 50 lines (~900 atm) it would have taken too long to get it right the first time

It should settle down pretty quickly, and remember if it's getting in the way of an order the server-side code will appear if you disable javascript. Thanks for testing the code and giving bug reports though, it does make development quicker and less tedious

Kestas, you just posted as the Guest account.

lol


Ghost

There is a bug in the new orders definition:
i am trying to do something like:
the Fleet in A support a move from B to C
the Fleet in D support the Fleet in A to hold

And the system is not allowing me to do this, as it automatically changes the orders to Fleet in A HOLD

bah, I never learn to switch back after debugging.

Morandini; that should be fixed now