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Stubie (1817 D)
16 Jun 15 UTC
Learnt something new about the Dip Rules yesterday...Spaces with 2 Coasts
I may not be the only one but I did not realize that a fleet can support a unit sitting on a coast it cannot access. So for instance, a Fleet in the West Med supported a fleet sitting on the Spanish North Coast. Learn something new every day...
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ssorenn (0 DX)
23 May 15 UTC
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Let's actually talk about something important !!
Go BlackHawks!!!!!!
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
14 Jun 15 UTC
French: Is this sentence correct?
En ce moment, je gagne m'argent avec la conception de sites Web.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
12 Jun 15 UTC
So, this happened:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/naacp-chapter-president-rachel-dolezal-accused-falsely-portraying-black/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

Now I have officially seen everything. Thoughts? Is race a "choice"?
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y2kjbk (4846 D(G))
27 May 15 UTC
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Mafia IX Sign Up Thread
Details inside
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
14 Jun 15 UTC
Why are Libtards and Conservaderps so easy to Manipulate and Control?
http://www.alternet.org/culture/why-are-americans-so-easy-manipulate-and-control
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Sh@dow (3512 D)
05 Jan 15 UTC
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Site Feature Additions
The mods have often invited suggestions for feature changes and I wanted to check if there is anything in the works for the following:
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
With all due respect, people are quoting things that do not exist in the rule book.

2000AH4th
p.18
"CIVIL DISORDER
If you leave the game, or otherwise fail to submit orders on a given Spring or Fall turn, it is assumed that your government has collapsed. Your units hold in position, but do not support each other. If they are dislodged, they are discarded. No new units are raised for the country.

If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units farthest from the country are removed first. If units are equally distant, then remove Fleets before Armies and then in alphabetical order by the provinces in which they are located.

It is probably best, if enough players are present, to allow someone else to replace any player who leaves the game. Players should decide what policies they will follow before starting the game."

That is the entirety of rules for Civil Disorder. It hasn't changed much through the various editions of the rules (I just checked them all).

"No moves received" *does not exist* as a game term in any version of the rules. "Fails to submit orders" was introduced as a clarification to "leave the game" in 1971. If you want assume that "fail to submit orders" and "no moves received" mean exactly the same thing (and I grant that it is very close), then FSO should be the preferred usage instead of NMR.

This may seem really nitpicky, and it is, but from my experience in other games, precision is critical. This small imprecision is actually part of the root cause of this discussion. There are rules lawyers out there. There are people whose native language is not English who have probably thought "What's the difference between 'no moves received', 'fail to submit orders' and 'civil disorder'?"
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
"The whole idea of having a CD is to automatically force a player out once they've had too much unreliability in one single game. Yes it would suck if it's something out of your control, but i would hope that happen relatively rarely. "

Also, if things out of control happen, isn't hat what we have mods for, to help and make change?
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
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On a separate but related note....
I think that a player who CDs should be allowed to return to their original game. They paid their points. It's rightfully their spot. It's entirely possible that no one else in their right mind would takeover their position which probably suffered due to CD. I understand that this may annoy the remaining players who may be relieved that the offender won't delay things further, especially in games with very long phases.

I do think two things are necessary though:

1) If someone CDs, it should be logged as part of their reliability rating.
2) If someone takes over a great power in CD, then all players should be notified *via global message and game notice* that this has occurred. I'd suggest two different messages: "[Great Power] has returned to the game" (use when same player returns) and "[PlayerName]/'Someone'] has taken over [Great Power]" (use when new player takes over GP with check for anonymity).

Currently CDs are posted to the game notices panel only. If you play a live game, those scroll quickly, and you may miss a CD notice for a slower paced game in the spam. Global messages are a permanent record of what happened during the game. CDs are important enough they should be mentioned here. Same with FSOs (yeah, I'm going there).
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
I'm not as opposed to a player who CDs getting his spot back as long as it's referenced in global, that he has returned. Once I see "he has left" next to a country I don't look at him. So a notification would suffice for me. Kota is right, he payed for his spot.
One another note, I think the use of CD as in game tactic is disingenious at best. The waste to two turns on the board, and the time people allocate to playing this game, makes that tactic shitty.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Kuta- Kota. Whatever
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
01 Jun 15 UTC
I guess it's that time of month for this thread to jump the shark.
thorfi (1023 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Fair. I'm gonna say that I don't think there's any semantic difference between "no moves received" and "failed to submit orders", but you're right that the term NMR is not in the rules. But then the acronym should be FtSO... I wonder what the actual etymology of NMR is. :-)
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Jun 15 UTC
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That's what the Skynet AI told Kestas when people failed to submit orders on webdip: No move received, so that's the origin of NMR.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
If that's not a +1 whore^^ trolling
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Jun 15 UTC
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I make a joke and I am a +1 whore.
I get +1s and I am a +1 whore.
I don't make jokes and I am an absent landlord.

It is a hard life for me...
I am just misunderstood. :(
Brankl (231 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Is it bad that I gave Zultar the +1?
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
And thus it begins.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Jun 15 UTC
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Absolutely. You are feeding my +1 addiction.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Just to be clear, is there a weekly quota to stay site co owner?
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
All I can do, baby
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
01 Jun 15 UTC
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No, there's no weekly quota, but there is a monthly post:liked ratio that must be maintained. So I have to be strategic about what my comments are: serious comments, jokes, and throwaways when I have met my monthly quota. I am considering hiring LeonWalras to be my spokesperson, so I should be able have more throwaway postings once that's done.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
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Dude, laying it on THICK
steephie22 (182 D(S))
01 Jun 15 UTC
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That's what your mom said.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
Steephie, you little pin dick ant,, you wouldn't even know what thick is, more than likely you couldn't get off in your own bathroom with rosey and all her friends
VillageIdiot (7813 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
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I always assumed "steephie" was some variation of Stephanie and was a chick.
ILN (100 D)
01 Jun 15 UTC
lol
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
he/she/it talks like one
steephie22 (182 D(S))
01 Jun 15 UTC
So I could point out how disappointed she was when she found out I was a guy, but instead I'll just point out you can't take a joke.
ssorenn (0 DX)
01 Jun 15 UTC
You do realize , that if she was disappointed to find out you were a guy, that you just ......oh never mind
steephie22 (182 D(S))
01 Jun 15 UTC
Well yeah, I joke indiscriminately, so about myself as well.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
02 Jun 15 UTC
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No Moves Received is a term derived from the play-by-mail days of diplomacy. It means the GM didn't receive the orders. It doesn't necessarily mean the player failed to submit any orders. Maybe there was a delay in the post, or the orders were mis-addressed, or the post delivery man made a mistake. Or indeed the player has lost interest in the game.

This term became far more common in usage than Failed to Submit Orders. And a play could, even now, claim they did submit orders but that the website (or their phone) didn't register the orders correctly. (See: my phone's internet went down)

They can't argue that a NMR didn't happen.

Out of interest, what does the 1971 rule say about 'Failed to Submit Orders'?
arborinius (173 D)
11 Jun 15 UTC
I like the "Mark as unread" feature, but I can't seem to be able to do it for global chat.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
11 Jun 15 UTC
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/diplomacy_rules.htm

1971GRI
p.9
"3. CIVIL DISORDER
If [a player leaves] the game, or otherwise fail to submit orders [in] a given Spring or Fall [season], it is assumed that [civil] government [in his country] has collapsed. [His] units hold in position, but do not support each other. If they are dislodged, they are [disbanded]. No new units are raised for [this] country.

[A player who temporarily fails to submit orders may, of course, resume play if her returns to the game and has some units left. It is probably more desirable, if sufficient persons are present, to allow a person who has not previously had a country (or failing that, whose country has already been eliminated from play) to replace any player who has left the game.] Players should decide what policies they will follow [in this regard in advance of] starting the game.

4. CIVIL-DISORDER REMOVALS
If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, [because it has lost supply centers], the units farthest from [home (most distant from the nearest home supply center as computed by the shorted available route, including convoys) is] removed first[, the fleet before the army]. If [more] units are equally [eligible for removal than should be removed, priority is established by the names of the space in which they are located, the earliest] in alphabetical order [coming off first]."

orathaic (1009 D(B))
12 Jun 15 UTC
Also, i would note, not posting in move ( on time ) could be used in postal diplomacy to 'stab' an ally with plausible deniability.

You could claim your orders to support hold your ally were just lost in the post, when infact you intentionally delayed them in order to collaborate with an 'enemy' against your ally...

The 'orders entered' indicator really hurt this plausible deniability; and i think it would be a nice option to have them removed ( like no showing draw votes ) - you can always ask a player if they are online, and then no response either means they are offline or online and trying to avoid lying to you :)
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
12 Jun 15 UTC
Feature/UI Requests/Suggestions:
Reorder game stats: Won, Drawn, Survived, Resigned, Defeated.
Hall of Fame: Add Win% and Date of last game to table.

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A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
11 Jun 15 UTC
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webDiplomacy usage statistics
See inside
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Boromacat (100 DX)
14 Jun 15 UTC
Any good press you feel the need to share?
If anyone sees EvanInc, give him hell for me please.
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Yaleunc (11052 D(B))
11 Jun 15 UTC
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Split's Top 7 Active Gunboaters Series Results for games 19-22
Title a bit of a misnomer for these 4 games as one of the 7 players was not particularly experienced at gunboat.
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thomas dullan (422 D)
09 Jun 15 UTC
The Literary Circle: Under Milk Wood: Dylan Thomas (ISBN: 9781780227245)
As my first discussion subject, I have chosen Dylan Thomas's "Under Milk Wood", a semi-comic dream-like short story, part narrative poem, part "play for voices".
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semck83 (229 D(B))
03 Jun 15 UTC
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The next step: transabled
So, what do people think about this?

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/becoming-disabled-by-choice-not-chance-transabled-people-feel-like-impostors-in-their-fully-working-bodies
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Frost_Faze (102 D)
13 Jun 15 UTC
Need a Peru player
Hey Diplomacy People!

Just started a new game, and the Peru player seems to be inactive. So just come on and hop in.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162716&msgCountryID=5
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krellin (80 DX)
09 Jun 15 UTC
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Krellins Konsulting
It's been so long since I have passed my wisdom upon this wretched lot. And...having so recently been castigated as a *bad bad* boy....I thought perhaps that I should endeavor to pass my lessons-learned upon the woefully inadequate intellectual buffoons that truly need my help. So please...

The Doctor's Office is Open. "Dear Dr. krellin....
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Jun 15 UTC
Research shows chimp tool use...
... Appears gender biased.

Not that this tells us much about humans, but the conclusion of 'maybe human tool use developed in the same way' is still interesting.
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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
11 Jun 15 UTC
I had to put my dog down today
:'( :'( :'( :'(
I loved coming home to that dog. She was the best dog in the world. Always cheered me up after a bad day.

Death is a cruel cruel thing. Let's all take this time to remember our past animals and the happiness they provided us
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wjessop (100 DX)
11 Jun 15 UTC
Live replacement needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162751
Italy, good position.
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ERAUfan97 (549 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
I'm back snitches!
It's been a whole year. What I miss?
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Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
11 Jun 15 UTC
The Beer Series Table
This is where standings will be submitted during this anonymous series.
2 replies
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
Who Here Plays Hearthstone?
I'm bored again and just wanted to know who here are the site also plays "Wizard Poker"? If so, what is your favorite card? class? deck? streamer? Do pay to lose/win or use a free account? More importantly, what do you think of the new features?
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Eigil (100 D)
11 Jun 15 UTC
Help: Can't join any games
Hi Guys, I'm new to webdip, just made an account, haven;t played any games, and it seems I can;t join any - Everything in the joinable tab is spectate only - halp pls?
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Ienpw_III (117 D)
07 Jun 15 UTC
Any interest in a 100 D game?
I'm thinking 3 or 4 day phases to allow for some good negotiating.
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thomas dullan (422 D)
09 Jun 15 UTC
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The Literary Circle (A Book Club)
In
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?viewthread=1264575#1264575
abgemacht suggested the establishment of a book club. Great idea!
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ILN (100 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
Heartwarming Documentary
http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/witness/2015/05/unwasted-poland-150510113808546.html
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wjessop (100 DX)
09 Jun 15 UTC
GoT S5 E10 'Mother's Mercy'
What do you think the main surprises will be?
For the Watch, presumably? Walk of Penance, obviously. Lady SH, not impossibly?
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GreGwar (350 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
invalid order ?
I'm trying to support a move from york to Belgium, channel is convoying.
I get a message saying thats invalid .
I tried with Channel supporting the convoy york-bel by north sea and it is valid.
How comes ?
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Franz Ferdinand III (188 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
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Live world game!!!!!
gameID=162624
Please join!!!!!
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peterwiggin (15158 D)
10 Jun 15 UTC
Replacement Russia needed
A member has requested that we ask for a replacement Russia in this game:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162324
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Live Anc Med
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Cricket Master (100 DX)
09 Jun 15 UTC
please join
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=162581
We need players who will play
Password is cobra
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