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Dys Claimer (116 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
DiplomacyCast 11 (Podcast)
Just thought I'd mention for anyone interested:
The 11th episode of "DiplomacyCast", the Diplomacy podcast, came out last week. Check it out at www.diplomacycast.com or at www.facebook.com/DiplomacyCast
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
A disconcerting development
In my country, the life expectancy for men has risen by about five months, of women by a little over two years.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
23 Nov 11 UTC
GenCon
How many people think they might come this coming year? And how many will play Diplomacy there in there F2F section?
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QUICK LIVE NOVICE
we need 1 it starts at 11:35
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
A challenge to Babak
This is to be found in the Cut-Throat "Hosted" GR Challenge Game thread. Read below.
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Needs 1
live med gunboat needs 1 person
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jwalters93 (288 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
The Absolute Truth
No, this is not a discussion on absolutes. It is an experiment. I wnt to play a diplomacy game in which all players must tell the truth, and nothing but the truth, to their fellow diplomats. I think it could make for a very interesting game. Lies by omission would be acceptable, and trying to mislead someone without lying is certainly encouraged. Would anyone else be interested in such a game?
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
17 Nov 11 UTC
The Democratic-controlled Senate has not produced a budget in more than 930 days.
This makes is hard for Obama to run with any credibility at all against a "do nothing Congress" when his own party hasn't done even its most basic job in the Senate for over two years.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
OK, I'll Give Mr. Gingrich Credit Where Credit Is Due...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/newt-gingrich-prepared-heat-immigration-043951171.html
I DO think that's one of the more reasonable positions taken on immigration, especially by a GOP Candidate...never been a fan of Newt's, but he's at least now said one thing I genuinely agree with in these debates...that's one more than the rest of the GOP field...your take?
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BuZzEvilly (135 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
WORLD WAR 2030 AD! LETS GO! )))
JOIN ALL: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=73018
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taos (281 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
the world needs to see that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gzyeo1Z1I4&feature=youtu.be
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carson87 (102 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
Reporting Proxi accounts?
Where can you report Proxi users?
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dubjamaica (0 DX)
23 Nov 11 UTC
Spread the Love
If you guys wanna get down tonight, join us here gameID=73003 =) tons of fun and sweet foreign candies!
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
Kaiser Wilhelm syndrome
Playing Germany is different than any other country right? You can't just play around like you're Italy, or am I mistaken?
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icepebble (109 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
WorldDip map
Hello all

Haven't played here before. Was wondering if there was a different style map for the world game. Finding it difficult to read country/province names in the darker spaces and can't read in the dark blue FA spaces at all.
Thanks in advance for any help you can give.
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franzjosefi (1291 D)
23 Nov 11 UTC
How do you find a bloody password?
As I understand it password protected games are typically posted in the forum. You see the game and then go look in the forum for the post with the password but without a search function how do you find it?
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join the game
It is called play the awesome game and the bet is 10
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patizcool (100 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Question for Tettleton's Chew
Seeing as you continuously start threads about how the left is continuously wrong and flawed forever, explain the following question to me. Why did this financial meltdown the world is currently experiencing come under a right wing president of the United States. The housing markets were obliterated, the debt of the United States and Europe went through the roof, and the stock markets still have not recovered all their gains.
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patizcool (100 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC

If the right wing is always right, then why did that happen under a Republican president? Was Bush not conservative enough? Also, please don't drone on about how the Democrats were in Congress because the pieces that led to the collapse were set about by the Republicans long before when they decided to deregulate the banks, allowing for the shit to hit the fan with no prior warning.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Actually the housing failure was set about by Clinton... You fail, patizcool.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

Please note the date. It was before Bush took office.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
And the last paragraph...

"In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's."

Damn! The NY Times called it on the nose in 1999.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
If only Fannie Mae was responsible for the financial crisis...why bother rehashing what Draugnar already ignored before.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Patiz, you know the Republican stock answer to the financial crisis. It was caused by the Community Reinvestment Act & Fannie Mae (teh gubmint). Nevermind that this answer isn't true, that's their stock answer.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Before President Clinton​ and the Democrats in Congress intervened, the home mortgage business was healthy and stable, and housing prices were gradually rising in tune with the overall market (driven, of course, by the gradual increase in the money supply by the Federal Reserve​, otherwise known as "monetary inflation").

Here's what happened.

On November 12, 1999, President Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, which for 55 years had prevented banks, the nation's lenders, to get into the so-called "investment banking" business (stock brokers). With lots of pressure in Congress by the Democratic members of the New York contingent, the Senate and House caved in and trashed a law which had provided stability in both the banking industry and on Wall Street.

What follows next reads like a third-rate screen play.

Banks jumped into the fray, and, encouraged by the Wall Street Democrats, began buying up and merging with Investment Banks, swapping assets, creating new loan "instruments" and weakening both independent systems.

Also in 1999, Clinton appointed Franklin Delano Raines, a Harvard Law School graduate and his Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB), to become the CEO of the obscure but powerful Fannie Mae​ giant GSE (Government Sponsored Enterprise), which had been "privatized" and listed on the New York Stock Exchange.

Mr. Raines immediately went to work lobbying Congress for less regulation and more "flexibility" in creating the massive dodgy-loan portfolio of under-qualified home loans to fellow minorities which would continue to grow and was encouraged by Barney Frank​, another former Democrat & Harvard Law School graduate who now heads up the House Financial Services Committee -- which has key oversight over both Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac​.

The good results of Mr. Raines' efforts soon became apparent.

On December 21, 2004, Raines accepted what he described as "early retirement" from his position as Fannie Mae's CEO while U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission investigators continued to investigate alleged accounting irregularities. The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight​ (OFHEO), the regulating body of Fannie Mae, has now accused him of abetting widespread accounting errors, which included the shifting of losses so senior executives, such as himself, could earn large bonuses.

Then, in 2006, the OFHEO filed suit against Raines in order to recover the $50 million in personal payments made to Raines based on Fannie Mae's overstated earnings which were initially stated to be $9 billion but have since been reduced to under $6.3 billion.

Undeterred, Mr. Raines now works for another Harvard Law School graduate, Mr. Barack Obama's presidential election campaign -- as an advisor on mortgage and housing policy matters.

Meanwhile, continuing pressure by the New York Democratic Congressional caucus encouraged both retail banks and the new mortgage subsidiaries of investment banks to also make home loans to less qualified borrowers (read: low income, poor-credit, deadbeat, and undocumented liars) -- if they wanted to continue to be able to benefit from light supervision and aggressive merger and acquisition practices.

By the end of the '90s, no less than nine separate, independent, and uncoordinated Federal Regulators had been created by Congress. These agencies included the SEC, CRTC, Controller of the Currency, Treasury, FRB and OFHEO, among others. They would poorly supervise what Clinton had now given birth to: a jungle of speculators, favor-seeking financial lobbyists, and Democrat-dominated Wall Street organizations who duly poured millions of dollars of contributions into Democrat coffers for the Congressional and Presidential elections.

By the time that "Securitization" of home loans (Fannie Mae began to convert its original business of making mortgages to creating packages of home loans that it could sell off as safe investments on Wall Street) began to grow, the Democrat Senators and Representatives cheered the wonders of the new-found ability of America's financial community to enable the poorest and least-qualified of their voters to finally be able to own their own homes.

U.S. home ownership, averaging around 65% for 50 years, suddenly jumped up to almost 70% -- and the housing construction sector took that cue to start building even more houses on spec, knowing that they would soon be bought using doggy loans.

Fixed rate mortgages gave way, under encouragement by the legislators, to so-called variable-rate ARMS and low-initial-entry-cost loans ("sharks").

In 1998, Senator Chuck Schumer of New York was elected. He now serves on both the Finance, and the Banking, Housing & Urban Affairs Committees, and is the Chairman of the powerful Housing, Transportation and Community Development Sub-committee. He also graduated from Harvard Law School.

After the sub-prime mortgage industry began its meltdown in March 2007, Schumer proposed a bailout by the Federal Government of sub-prime borrowers -- ostensively to prevent these poor-credit owners from losing their homes. Financial commentators immediately observed that such a "bailout" would primarily benefit Wall Street bankers and other lenders -- who had made large campaign contributions to congressmen. (Schumer's
nine biggest campaign donors are financial institutions -- who had contributed over $2.5 million to his re-election campaign.)

As the recent Indy-Bank collapse occurred, CNBC financial analyst Jerry Bowyer said that "Schumer was responsible for the second largest bank failure in US history."

The final invention of the new-world-order of funny money was the "Credit Default Swap", a derivative instrument which resembles an insurance policy but, in fact, can be used to magnify raw speculation profits -- and down side risks -- and was, ahem, generously exempt from regulation or even transparency.

The conditions had been set for a gigantic credit collapse and subsequent financial world meltdown which is continuing as we write. All from a simple idea to "help the little people" -- who would show their appreciation by re-electing the Democrat politicians who were the vocal cheerleaders (and recipients of gobs of doggy-lender re-election campaign funds).

So the pattern becomes clear. Harvard Law School attorneys -- noted for their lack of economic knowledge -- create an easy-money system which relies on flakey loans provided by fat-cat financial manipulators who are the primary contributors to the re-election campaigns of the legislators -- almost exclusively Democrats.

But this makes sense.

Demographers have shown that since the 1940s, the Democratic Party has segued from the party of the working middle class to the party who's voters look like a double-hump camel: they are either the poor who vote for entitlements or the extremely wealthy millionaires and billionaires who provide the "juice" to buy the allegiance of the first group.

Meanwhile, the Republicans have morphed from the fat-cats (who are all mostly Democrats now -- see the Obama campaign donation records at www.fec.gov) to the party of the working and middle class which saw landslide support for an ex-union-leader and Democrat-turned-Republican, Ronald Reagan​.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Where'd you plagiarize this from?
Creigh (2930 D(G))
21 Nov 11 UTC
Busts have been part of capitalism from the beginning as have booms -- you can't "ban" them. The bad thing about this one was that the core of the banking system got tied up in investing. Last time around the Savings & Loans could be totally wiped out in a bust and the rest of the economy could chug along. This time, we allowed the core financial institutions to play -- and now it is subsidized and paralyzed. The one regulatory change that we need to do is to go back to a clear seperation between investment houses by whatever name and core banking functions.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Damn it! IE locked up as I was trying to get the URL for the above article...

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28641
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Oh, right, the far-right newspaper Human Events. That's credible.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28641

Nothing about originate-to-distribute which began under Reagan. Nothing about the low interest rates imposed by the Bush admin fed during the early 2000s. Nothing about the Asian financial crisis. Nothing about the dot.com bust. Nothing about Bush and the Republicans opposing every effort to regulate the banks.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"Damn it! IE locked up as I was trying to get the URL for the above article..."

Sure.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
Use Chrome Putin33.
Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
21 Nov 11 UTC
It has never crashed for me.
fulhamish (4134 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
@ Draug, in a very long post, this in my view is the key sentence:

On November 12, 1999, President Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, which for 55 years had prevented banks, the nation's lenders, to get into the so-called "investment banking" business (stock brokers).
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Yes, very much so. the moment we let core banks become invrestment firms too, we sent this nation down a dnagerous path. That's why the last paragrapth of the NY Times article is so telling. The Times *knew* in 1999 that this was a dangerous path.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Right, the repeal which was sponsored by Phil Gramm (who worked for McCain in 2008) you're pinning on Clinton alone. Why did Bush gut the SEC? What happened to Arthur Levitt?
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
The investment/commercial merger was already taking place prior to Glass Steagal repeal, the thinking was that the repeal would allow traditional banks to engage in investment instruments to avoid bankruptcy, but that never happened. Stupid yes, but not as stupid as pinning this on the Democrats.
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
I will not unmute Putin... I will not umute Putin... I will not unmute Putin...

That said, Here is the *real* history behind the final version of the bill and the fact that it passed boht the House and Senate by a serious bipartisan margin and was signed into law by Clinton. If he didn't want ti, why did he sign it? From wikipedia...

After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.[17
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Yes, it had widespread bipartisan support. The idea that this was a Democratic turd alone is bullshit, and you know it.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
http://www.propublica.org/article/the-gutting-of-the-sec-1015
Draugnar (0 DX)
21 Nov 11 UTC
And the idea that it was a Republican turd alone is bullshit and you know it.
fulhamish (4134 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Just a small note, it was after all Clinton who was the President.

On both sides of the Atlantic the powers that be thought that the casino of financial services could replace the real economy of actual production. Meanwhile our friends in the East...............
Now I gather we are to regulate the banks and encourage exports, you couldn't make it up.
Nelhybel (280 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Business cycle: three steps forward, one step back. That one step back is a recession. It'd be a depression if it were two steps back. The 2008-present crisis is probably about 1.5 steps back. I know, it sucks, but economic down-turns are a part of life, regardless of who's President.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"And the idea that it was a Republican turd alone is bullshit and you know it."

I wasn't pushing the Human Events line that Glass Steagal was a partisan blunder. You were.

"Just a small note, it was after all Clinton who was the President. "

No kidding, and the Republicans controlled both Houses. Contrary to popular belief the US doesn't implement policy by Presidential decree. And stop acting as if Glass-Steagal was the last word on deregulation or as if everything can be attributed to that repeal.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"The 2008-present crisis is probably about 1.5 steps back. I know, it sucks, but economic down-turns are a part of life, regardless of who's President."

Let's all pretend like this was just your average business cycle bust, and that mortgage meltdowns combined with financial meltdowns combined with real economy meltdowns are recoverable in a short period of time.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
This is a "part of life" as much as Japan's 15 years of stagnation are a "part of life".
Nelhybel (280 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
"Average business cycle bust". There's no such thing, plain and simple, because they're all different. We "learn our lesson" from the previous bust and think it will never happen again because we know better... until it does.

I also never suggested that this was recoverable in a "short period of time". The "1.5 steps back" would suggest recovery time between that of a normal recession and the Depression - close to a decade? That's depressing but probably true.

Also, I made no comment on governments'/individuals' policies nor on corporations' large influences in the economy.
Putin33 (111 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
Well, I have no quarrel with the argument that painful, long crises are an inevitable cost of a market economy.
fulhamish (4134 D)
21 Nov 11 UTC
I would just ask, in the light of recent events, is economics an academic discipline?

Didn't the guy who wrote one of the core text books get paid a lot of money to give the Icelandic banks a clean bill of health?

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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
16 Nov 11 UTC
Super Mario vs. The PETA...What A Bunch Of Goombas (I Kid, No One Get Uppity...)
http://games.yahoo.com/blogs/plugged-in/peta-slams-mario-over-fur-suit-211025773.html
Really? ...Super Mario wears a racoon suit--that we all know he's worn before, if you're a child of the 80s or 90s--with magical flying powers...and that=mistreatment towards real racoons? ...These people have NOTHING better to do? Mama mia...
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Hman125 (100 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
Making a world game
game number 72969

join time is 3 days and phase is 1 day
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
22 Nov 11 UTC
Something missing
Look at my win loss draw survive record. Something is missing. Where is the 1%? Guess the OWS protesters will be happy the 1% is gone :-)
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Nov 11 UTC
Webdip leagues are back!
Looking for anyone who is interested in signing up for the new season.

Old players will receive an email in the next 48 hours.
Myself and Draugnar have agreed to Co-direct this tournament as Alderian has had to step down.
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ormi (100 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
magyar nyelven
Keresünk még egy játékost, akinek volna kedve játszani magyarul. Ha van jelentkező, akkor mondom a játék adatait.
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Dosg (404 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
Cancelled games
I wish you could find out who has NMR'd, and subsequently leaves in Anonymous games.

I've just wasted over an hour playing a game that we had to cancel.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
03 Sep 11 UTC
Government vs the Market
The Great Recession and Government Failure
When comparing the performance of markets to government, markets look pretty darn good.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
17 Nov 11 UTC
NFL Pick'Em Week 11
Someone else has got to do the stats, because frankly I don't have time. Hope this doesn't come up too late for some of our regulars.
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
22 Nov 11 UTC
Great position in a public press
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71470

I was just eliminated, so I can't take it - but please, feel free to go for the solo ;)
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BuglerV (0 DX)
22 Nov 11 UTC
World War. 5 D. 12 Hours.
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BuglerV (0 DX)
22 Nov 11 UTC
World War. 10 D. 12 Hours.
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idealist (680 D)
22 Nov 11 UTC
live anyone?
i know we have a live thread...but anyone awake for live? im willing to do 1v1 games on vdiplomacy also
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