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Tenacious Grip (155 D)
11 Jun 13 UTC
Where has the Mediterranean Gone?
If anyone is up for some good ol' medium - stakes med games Hit Me UP
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
09 Jun 13 UTC
gameID=120624 was canceled due to site violations
This live gunboat game was canceled since two people who knew each other played in the same game and they communicated outside of the site, which gave them an unfair advantage. They did not know the rules and now they have been warned. Any further infraction on their part will result in a ban.
Please do not try to determine who they were as this was swiftly dealt with.
Thank you for understanding.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Jun 13 UTC
Defiance is an awesome game too!
So after the attack last night on my laptop, I decided to scrub it and start from scratch (new Sony Vaios have their OS on some firmware) so I completely formatted it and reinstalled using the VAIO key. I thought I'd give Defiance another tyr (an earlier attempt never ran) so I installed it and it ran great! Awesome game play and very immersive graphics. Not a fan of the odd keyboard and mouse, but I will probably remap those to match WoW/STO/other MMOs.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
10 Jun 13 UTC
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krellin (80 DX)
10 Jun 13 UTC
Call Me a Douchebag
Yes, it's time put together 7 fearless foes for a no-holds barred, low-point, non-anon game. Friends and foes welcome. Let's duke it out.

Submit your name and a fantastic bit of verbal abuse for consideration.
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Blackbeard1680 (0 DX)
11 Jun 13 UTC
Fast game!
Hello everybody, I would like to have a live classic match and nobody seems to see it, so I will post it here...
gameID=120804
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Draugnar (0 DX)
09 Jun 13 UTC
Fucking asswipe mod abuse!
I wasn't the next one to post and was trying to get people to stop and yet *I* got docked 20 fucking points! Fucking mods abuaing their fucking power again!!!!!!
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
09 Jun 13 UTC
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So a funny thing happened on the way to work today...
I blacked out for a few minutes and when I came to it turned out I had just gotten engaged. Weird.
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
04 Jun 13 UTC
New game
gameID=120097
For people who are in the top 250 in this list:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0Ar7_3gsXAPwtdDVwZEloT3QycWRJc2FvYklrc0Y1X3c&output=html
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erist (228 D(B))
10 Jun 13 UTC
Is it cheating to refuse to draw/cancel?
When your opponents CDs have created a unfair advantage for you?
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
09 Jun 13 UTC
SRGB GAME
To rekindle the lusthog squad, looking for 6 players who are willing to commit NOT voting draw until a stalemate line is reached and formed (read: no movements).
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Gamma (570 D)
10 Jun 13 UTC
World game
Just a new world game that needs more players.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=120626
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HumanWave (337 D)
10 Jun 13 UTC
Question about metagaming: the continuing discussion…
;)
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
09 Jun 13 UTC
"Coalition" voting in the Modern Diplomacy II variant
Has anyone encountered this? Using the "draw" voting button early on in a Modern Diplomacy II game to indicate your interest in forming a coalition to dominate the board? Seems dodgy to me. Not in the spirit of the rules. Thoughts, anyone?
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
09 Jun 13 UTC
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So a funny thing happened on the way to work yesterday...
My significant e-partner (online for the slowpokes) blacked out today, and I took advantage of him. When he came to and I came as well, we had gotten engage. Weird.
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MajorMitchell (1874 D)
08 Jun 13 UTC
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Don't let Draugnar join
"Don't let Draugnar join" is a new game I just created
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krellin (80 DX)
07 Jun 13 UTC
Sea Monsters
http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/rov-captures-first-ever-footage-of-oarfish-in-the-wild/
Another example of idiotic reporting. First Ever footage of Deep Sea creature...presumed responsible for spawning myths of sea monsters among ancient mariners.

Can you identify the flaw in the moronic author's comments?
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bzip2 (100 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
What do you think are the books that everyone should read?
Hello everyone. I am trying to make a summer reading list and was wondering what the webDiplomacy community's favorite books are. Maybe I will get some ideas!
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
What sort of tomes are you seekings? I'll send you my daughter's summer list of reading choices for her 10th grade honor's English is you'd like after I get home this evening. Or are you looking for philosophy and other such things from the 'intellectuals' around here?

John Steakley's "Armor" is great sci-fi

Stephen King's "The Long Walk" for a a story about what it feels like when you're trapped in an unending game of Diplomacy...lol

"Ready Player One" (forget the author) for a light-hearted, hackish sci-fi that delves *deep* into 80's geek lore in a future world of totally immersive virtual gaming.
flc64 (1963 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
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Catch-22
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
The Aubrey-Maturin novels (great high seas adventures), The Lord of the Rings trilogy plus The Hobbit (obviously), any of the Hammer's Slammers novels, Heinlein, Clarke, Asimov, Bradbury (espcially Martian Chronicles), Poe (Fall of the House of Usher and all his short stories), Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle, Alexandre Dumas (The Count of Monte Cristo, The Three Musketeers, Twenty Years After, The Vicomte of Bragelonne: Ten Years Later the third part of which is called The Man in the Iron Mask), Victor Hugo (Notre-Dame de Paris aka Hunchback of Notre-Dame, Les Miserables). Those should keep you busy this summer.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
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Iain M Banks, everything.
taos (281 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
sidaharta by herman esse
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 13 UTC
Start with The Hobbit and then The Lord of the Rings. I know Draugnar already named those 2, but the other way around. As I mentioned before I like to be annoying today, and, well, for some reason I feel especially good when being annoying to Draugnar :)
krellin (80 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
"Uglies" by Scott Westerfeld
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
I was going for specific order. But I was also add in the rest of the Middle-earth novels by Professor Tolkien although it willt ake tiome to work through The Silmarillion
JECE (1248 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
bzip2:
1984, by George Orwell
The Imperial Cruise, by James Bradley (nonfiction)
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 13 UTC
Is there one other than The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and Silmarillion then Draugnar?

I can recommend The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, but I haven't read Silmarillion yet. Note that I read the books I read in Dutch.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 13 UTC
Are there others*

Also, I may have misinterpreted what Draugnar said, that's why I'm asking.
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
Unfinished Tales & The Children of Húrin are both Professor Tolkien's works set in Middle-earth, just edited and compiled by his son Christopher like The Silmarillion was.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 13 UTC
Ok, are they any good?
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
I think so, especially Children of Húrin
Hamilton Brian (811 D(B))
06 Jun 13 UTC
I'm one of those unfortunate people slogging through the Game of Thrones stuff; now it's just out of pure perseverance. If you're looking for some good sci-fi, S M Stirling's Emberverse series is good, particularly the first three volumes, starting with Dies The Fire. Kim Stanley Robinson is also another good sci fi author.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Jun 13 UTC
East of Eden, by John Steinbeck
American Gods, by Neil Gaiman
(and i plus 1'd things i specifically agreed with)
orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Jun 13 UTC
also, The Foundation Series, by Isaac Asimov.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
*Cracks knuckles in preparation* ;)

First a Top 10 List of Shakespeare Plays to read/watch (not books, so won't count them specifically) and then a Top 20 for the books. So, first a Bard Top 10 (not a tricky lsit to make at all...) ;)

1. Hamlet (Cracks Top 10s for English & WORLD Lit...I'd rank it #1 for Eng Lit myself)
2. King Lear (Shaw said a better tragedy will never be written...he may be right)
3. Macbeth (If I do become a professor, THIS is the tragedy I'd introduce the Bard with)
4. Henry V ("ENGLAND--FUCK YEAH!" before "AMERICA--FUCK YEAH!" was a thing) ;)
5. Twelfth Night (Best Comedy and an EXCELLENT examination of gender roles)
6. Richard III (I can't give a quick answer why this one's so great it just sort of...is...)
7. Othello (Best Shakespeare villain in Iago, and just a plethora of fantastic features)
8. The Tempest (Shakespeare's last solo play, fantastic, and BOY in a post-colonial world...)
9. The Merchant of Venice (So much in here...Shylock and Portia ALONE make it Top 10)
10. The Taming of the Shrew (A tough choice here, but this wins for enduring popularity and one of Shakespeare's most memorable, vocal, vibrant female leads)

And this could easily be a Top 10, but we'd best stop there or I'll be here forever. :)

And now onto the books, four things before we begin:

I. I'll count epic poems and novels alike, I think that's fair,
II. I'll note that this is a list with at least two notable exceptions--Cervantes' Don Quixote and Tolstoy's War and Peace--as while I've read parts of both I don't think I've read enough to adequately "rank" them against the others here...so consider them as honorary picks, and,
III. No scripture included here...not that they're not great literature, but that's a whole other discussion, so to avoid controversy, I'm just leaving them all to the side, and
IV. One work per author--so, here we go then...

20. The Fall, Albert Camus (Probably less well-known than The Stranger or the Plague, but it's the one I personally prefer, and an excellent example of French Existentialism)

19. Sons and Lovers, D.H. Lawrence (Lady Chatterly's Lover and Women In Love could go here, but this is the most representative of all of Lawrence's social and sexual ideals)

18. Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Mark Twain (Arguably the first great American novel really dealing with American life, it remains one of our most important novels)

17. Tess of the D'Urbervillles, Thomas Hardy (A masterpiece of English literature dealing with everything from class to history to spirituality, all with a great, tragic heroine)

16. To the Lighthouse, Virginia Woolf (A great example of both 20th century feminism and the Modernist movement, not to mention Woolf's skillful use of style and psyche)

15. Moby Dick, Herman Melville (Another great examination of nature, this time coupled with a look at revenge, man's will, and a classic archetype in Captain Ahab)

14. Jane Eyre, Charlotte Bronte (Not even my favorite Bronte SISTER, let alone my favorite Bronte novel, but its early feminism and huge influence is unmistakable)

13. The Sun Also Rises, Ernest Hemingway (The perfect encapsulation of both an entire generation's state as well as the tragic, erm, "impotence" of the human condition)

12. One Hundred Years of Solitude, Gabriel Garcia-Marquez (One of the most ambitious novels of ever &the pinnacle of Magical Realism and Latin-American Lit)

11. Great Expectations, Charles Dickens (A Tale of Two Cities and Bleak House also deserve recognition, but this, Dickens' final final full work, wins out atop his great canon)

10. THE GREAT GATSBY, F. Scott Fitzgerald (With Huck Finn, the quintessential "Great American Novel," and a great look at love, capitalism, and hypocrisy in modernity)

9. ULYSSES, James Joyce (The mother of all Modernist novels--a movement I love, if you haven't guessed--with too many innovations and plays on "the Canon" and culture to name)

8. 1984, George Orwell (I maintain it's the single most-important novel of the last century, certainly at least in the Anglosphere, for literature, press, and politics alike)

7. BEOWULF, Anonymous (The first great work in the English language...even if it is "Old English"...great on its own, the Canon it will help create catapults it in importance)

6. PARADISE LOST, John Milton (Milton combines Homeric epic form and the Bible to produce an anti-hero Satan and a great examination of the Judeo-Christian ideology)

5. PRIDE AND PREJUDICE, Jane Austen (Regardless of my own personal taste, Austen is arguably the most important female novelist ever and this is her masterpiece)

4. LES MISERABLES, Victor Hugo (One of the longest, most complex and immaculate pieces of fiction ever can't be summed up in a parenthetical...and I won't even try)

3. THE DIVINE COMEDY, Dante (Probably the single-most influential work of religious fiction period...so much of what people even think about in religion traces here...)

2. THE ILIAD, Homer (The Old and New Testaments collectively form the foundation for half of all Western culture...and Greco-Roman ideals, exemplified here, form the other half)

1. THE BROTHERS KARAMAZOV, Fyodor Dostoyevsky (Maybe War and Peace or Don Quixote or something else will displace it, but for now, this is my choice for the single greatest fiction book out there...it feels as though Dostoyevsky not only touches on nearly ALL of the ideas and themes expressed in the other 19 in this work, but does so such an attention to psychology, theology, literary expression and philosophy alike that it really does seem as if Freud, Nietzsche, Shakespeare and the Bible are all somehow or another rolled into one here...in terms of exploring the interiority of characters in particular, only Shakespeare himself and MAYBE Woolf and Joyce can compare...if you're Christian, you'll hear a great counter-argument for Atheism and maybe respect it more, and if you're an Atheist like myself you'll see one of the best put rationals for Atheism as well as one of the most persuasive cases against--even if I'm obviously not convinced enough to convert--and it just goes on and on...I can't recommend it enough...and I can't recommend Dostoyevsky enough, who along with Lawrence and Woolf is my favorite novelist...from this to Crime and Punishment to Notes From the Underground to The Idiot and on and on, he really is the pinnacle of the novel format in my opinion, and my pick for the #1 Novelist/Epic Poet of all-time)
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
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Obi's list = b-o-o-o-r-i-n-g.

It is so cliche and doesn't take into account modern lit at all. Is there anything on there from the second half of the 20th century or later?
Thucydides (864 D(B))
06 Jun 13 UTC
Fahrenheit 451 and Brave New World are both fantastically thought provoking.

Travels in Asia and Africa by Ibn Battuta, or any ancient travel book really.

I second Aubrey-Maturin if you like that kind of thing.
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
"Darkness At Noon" by Arthur Koestler. A simply superb novel. Psychologically thrilling and historically fascinating.
krellin (80 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
@Thucy - Damn...hate to admit it, but I totally agree wtih your. Fahrenheit and BNW are awesome!
King Atom (100 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
Some threads just demand obi's presence...
steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jun 13 UTC
"b-o-o-o-r-i-n-g"

I believe that should be "boring", but you're the native English one, just throwing it out there.

(That was my last annoyance of the day I think, tomorrow I will be annoying as normal, without trying to be extra annoying, although I might have utterly failed, not sure...)
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
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1984, Pride and Prejudice, Enders Game, The Lord of the Rings Series including the Hobbit, The Da Vinci Code, Heart of Darkness, Fahrenheit 451, Star Wars -The Darth Bane series, a modest proposal (not a book) and if you're a bit younger: A Game of Thrones, The Rangers Apprentice.

Do not read: Hunger Games, Harry Potter, Twlight, Shakespear (unless you are into really old works), Beowulf (single worst thing I've read in my life)
JECE (1248 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
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Oh, El Ingenioso Hidalgo/Caballero Don Quijote de la Mancha too, of course.
King Atom (100 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
When I think of Brave New World, I think of George Friedman's 'The Next 100 Years.' Even if his predictions aren't true politically, technology and population trends already seem to be set in stone. While I cannot recommend the book for any cultural or moral significance, I do think everyone should read it...
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
JECE +100000000! I can't believe I forgot Cervantes masterpiece! Also, jmo +1 and a lot of zeros for the Edner novels, although not quite asmany as JECE. :-)
Draugnar (0 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
@steephie - It's intended to come across like people at a ball gamer chanting boring long and slow.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
"Is there anything on there from the second half of the 20th century or later?"

...Yes...? "One Hundred Years of Solitude," 1968, won the Nobel Prize for Garcia-Marquez.

And of my 20 books a whopping *8* were published in the last century or so.

So yeah, it's not as if I picked all old, arcane materials...the mark of a classic is ENDURANCE.

There are good novels post-1950, Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse Five and Breakfast of Champions, Toni Morrison's Beloved, Cormac McCarthy's The Road (I'd list Blood Meridian but I haven't gotten to that one yet) Philip Roth's Portnoy's Complaint...Joyce Carol Oates...some of Camus' last work...Tom Stoppard's plays...Samuel Beckett's later plays...Salman Rushdie's infamous work The Satanic Verses...

There's plenty of good work out there.

That doesn't mean that they instantly crack All-Time Top 20 lists. Sorry, but unlike most of my generation, I have a memory of more than a few months and a sense of history that doesn't start until color film comes along and--gasp!--even extends to those dark, dark years when there was no film (like, you know, all but the last 110 years or so of human existence.)

Give it a few decades, and see how well the authors of today stack up.

Several of the authors on this list waxed and waned or weren't even widely read in their own time and are now indispensable...D.H. Lawrence and Jane Austen in particular come to mind, and figures such as John Keats and, oh, most literature written by women and nearly all literature written by African-Americans before AT LEAST 70, 100 years ago didn't get much attention at all, and if it did, it was often negative or bigoted attention, while authors who were praised at the time and wildly popular have faded from our collective memory because they lacked staying power.

Will we be reading Twilight in 200 years?
I don't know...I hope not...
Will we be reading The Road in 200 years?
I don't know...I really hope so, I think it's the best American novel since Beloved...

But you just don't know, and therefore it's silly to really talk long-term legacy about books that are so comparatively recent unless they make such an earth-shattering impact.

So I'm sorry, but

1. My list IS comparatively modern, with 8/20 written in the last 100 years or so, and that sort of ratio would be way, WAY too much for a lot of people (and it's a criticism I myself would fully understand, there's no Virgil or Tolstoy or Cervantes or Gilgamesh or Conrad or George Eliot Or Proust or Goethe and so on and so forth, A LOT of very, very important authors are missing from that list) so it's not as if I've picked antiquated relics that are totally arcane and no longer relevant or discussed or read, and

2. For something to be considered a "classic" and earn its way into such a list, it has to last for a while first.

"It is so cliche and doesn't take into account modern lit at all."

HOW many times did I mention a work was a great example of MODERNism in that list?

Yes, if you're demanding something 1980s or later, yeah, I'm sorry, far too early to judge...and who on that list would you kick out, anyway, with all the names already left off?

Jane Austen? I'm not a huge fan, but you can't deny how important she is and has been?
Charlotte Bronte? See above.
D.H. Lawrence? Maybe, but then, I can argue just as well for his being included...
Thomas Hardy? Maybe the stuffiest name in the bunch, but "Tess" is an ageless masterpiece that's still getting TV adaptations (the BBC just did one a few years ago, I own and recommend the DVD) so that's not going anywhere...

The Fall isn't big here, but it is on The Continent, and this is for Western Lit as a whole...

Despite the fact some here don't like it, The Great Gatsby just got a big-screen adaptation (which I'm wary to see due to the reviews, but still) and it's commentary on our culture is still highly relevant, it's not going anywhere...

So who do you kick out, Draug?

Go ahead and be constructive as well as destructive...

Let's see a Top 20 of All-Time from if mine is so inaccurate.

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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
09 Jun 13 UTC
R.I.P. Iain M Banks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22835047

I really liked his Culture stories. "Excession" was particulary fine.
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cpman (0 DX)
09 Jun 13 UTC
Anyone Up for a VERY LONG Game?
I have a VERY LONG game for any and all who will only be able to check up sporadically next week (like me).
Each phase is 5 days long, and it starts on Monday. The gameID=120582 Enjoy!
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MadMarx (36299 D(G))
09 Jun 13 UTC
couch to marathon
I've got the couch part down, and only 20 weeks to make the transition: http://www.columbiagorgemarathon.com/
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Jun 13 UTC
PRISM
Have people been following this? Is it to be expected? Is the media just creating a stir or is this some nefarious government plot?
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/7/4406416/president-obama-on-nsa-spying-congress-has-known-about-it-and
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nnfolz (100 D)
09 Jun 13 UTC
Question about metagaming
Is it meta-gaming when a player admits that his alliance with 3 other players wont break because they are real life friends and all 4 of them are literally sitting on the same room?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Jun 13 UTC
Good Takeover Position
Good game, I'm not involved in it but it looks like it has potential...

gameID=119798
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jimgov (219 D(B))
09 Jun 13 UTC
So how did you read the press, Trip?
I'm just wondering how you were able to read the press in a game that does not have public press. Obviously, my comment hit home that you were friends with one of the players involved.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
02 Jun 13 UTC
Turkey
Talk about unrest in Istanbul, Ankara, others.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/fe6cfa9a6d45b0dd43fe513236fe94f5/tumblr_mnqsjpZnHx1qm2tv9o1_1280.jpg
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
06 Jun 13 UTC
Movie quotes
Post the best here, even though it's been done.
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nnfolz (100 D)
08 Jun 13 UTC
Hawaii glitch?
I've occupied Hawaii for 2 autumn phases and one spring phase and it hasn't changed to my color. I got credit for taking the SC so I was able to build just fine, but no color change.
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Jun 13 UTC
Alt Names....
If you could....if you were so devious and underhanded and inclined to do so...

What would you Alternate Name be???
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
04 Jun 13 UTC
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#FuckDaPoPo
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/04/the-blackwhite-marijuana-arrest-gap-in-nine-charts/

Keeping in mind that if you're black, they'll probably beat the living shit out of you. Post-racial America ftw!
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