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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
28 Jul 12 UTC
Full Disclosure Game 1
For the players in this game, please send your press to [email protected] and once I have all 7 I will complete the press within a week. After I will send it out to those in the Full Disclosure games that submitted press for any games.
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
27 Aug 12 UTC
Legitimate shooting
This is what it looks like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ae6B7C05Nk
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hellalt (113 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Replacement needed for the world cup balkans tm
Dejan0707, our top player will have to go away on September 1st and he won't be able to continue his full press world cup final game.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
This Time on Philosophy... Whenever--Alexander Or his Army, Top-Down or Bottom-Up?
So it's back to classes and (hopefully) tutoring quite for me, so I'll likely be quieter (I can hear the cheers already) but to close out a Summer of Arguments, and since we've been talking politics and top-down vs. bottom-up theories lately with politics and economics, I thought I might dust off this TToPW and pose the question here: ARE societies made great by the rich, and trickle down, or is it the proletariat masses who buoy it up, or some other combo?
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
The people are best governed by a bottom-up government. Local and state governments should be most involved in peoples' lives, but never on a daily basis. The federal government should be like a distant God; a rarely-seen figure who only intervenes (and intervenes quickly and decisively) in dire situations, such as war, insurrection, widespread civil disorder/rioting, or natural disaster.

In terms of economy, there is a happy medium between top-down and bottom-up. Everyone should have an equality of opportunity, but not equality of outcome. There should be direct relationship between success and work ethic, a large middle class, and a small upper and lower class. The market should be free except for common-sense regulations on trusts/multinational corporations, as well as stiff tariffs if necessary.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
My take:

I think, sans the totalitarian structure, Plato got the basics right--

Rulers, Soldiers/Police, and Workers, maybe today better shown as Upper, Middle, and Lower Classes, are ALL necessary and all equally important, as none can survive on their own and they all complement one another...

BUT I still think he was right in saying someone needs to be running the show, that those people are the Rulers, and that the Rulers are the elite (again, today probably more apt to include financial Captains of Industry as it were in there and other such things, so maybe more an "Elite" than strictly "Ruling" class) and that it is from THEM that greatness comes.

But again, like Plato, I agree with elitism being merit-based, so money alone does NOT make one great or elite, and neither does political power; no one in their right mind is going to suggest Joe Biden or Paul Ryan are truly "elite," and arguably, even Obama and Romney don't really fit the "elite" bill so much as they're the best (supposedly) their parties can drag up.

So Elites create an elite society--but for that to occur, there need to be more elites and, just as vitally, as Plato recognized, a certain amount of social mobility over generations, so that those who TRULY DO merit being called elite and treated as such can grow into the title.

This is why I OPPOSE the Trickle Down idea of economics (that and I am still not convinced, by my own experience or by anything else as of yet, that it works, or at least works well enough to justify not taxing the rich to benefit the Middle Class) as that seems stratified in a way to keep the Rich/Elites Rich and Elite and, if there is ANY trickle down elitism at all, it's a very, very small few who get the privilege to move up the ladder, and so it's much more a case of luck and the whims of the rich than actual MERIT that allows for that all-important social mobility over generations according to increasing or decreasing merit.

Directed growth aimed at the middle class at the taxed expense of the elites seems far more the way to go for me; the rich can take the hit and remain rich and elite, unless, of course, they lose their ability to maintain that power via merit (and I'm sorry, but if Paris Hilton inherits all that money and has no merit on which to grow that money and grow the country or others as a whole, then I'm not crying for any future Hiltons who may not be as rich because the merit and hard work that the Hitlon fortune was built upon no longer exists in the current generation, again, case in point, Paris) and the middle class is the class that is NEEDED for any sort of large-scale socio-political changes and, indeed, its where that leap from middle to elite often comes from, poor to elite being a very rare leap and achieved only by the very, very lucky few and often due to rare circumstances that can't really be replicated.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
@Gunfighter:

Well, as a fan of Elites over the other classes and thus translating that far more sympathetic to Federal rather than State rule (I really don't care for state rule, to be honest, it's born of necessity and, quite frankly, is a thorn in the side of progress) I must disagree.

Oddly enough, I oppose Trickle-Down economy, but would endorse a strong Top-Down federal government.

I will admit that's maybe a bias due to the fact that I am not AT ALL pleased with the way that "States' Choices" seem to inhibit social progress--

That it took the South as long as it did to allow for any semblance of equality between races, and that states like Arizona put simply appalling and--as was shown--unconstitutional procedures into practice that alienate entire swaths of people (and by extension, entire swaths of the world, there is a *reason,* after all, that Latin American nations aren't exactly our biggest fans, and as we're so dependent on oil and might need to seek out ethanol for fuel in the future, these really aren't the people to be alienating, to say nothing of how immoral and social incorrect such actions are) really makes me shake my head at a lot of "States-first" arguments.

I WILL ADMIT--in some situations, yes, the States should have a strong say.

Again, gun control is such a case; while I think we should have stronger Federal laws in place across the board, it is VITAL that different states have different laws as, again, I of course recognize that the environments some of the gun owners here live or grew up in is quite different from my own, and while to me here in the Los Angeles Suburbia guns=street gangs and death, I can certainly recognize that for other states and in other environments they are perfectly legitimate tools for hunting and a rite of passage and a way of life.

So yes--California and Wyoming should have gun laws refer back to the states, with the exception of across-the-board Federal restrictions (ie, AK-47s and cop-killer bullets, there is no proper reason to own either of those in any of the 50 states.)

But on the whole...

I don't trust the States to make the correct or even moral decisions, I'm afraid.

Partially because I don't trust the people, I'll admit--I don't think that people (myself included) always make good choices, and so while giving them representative power at a state level is a must, and a voice in free and open media is another must...

Letting these people decide to qualify what sort of "love" is valid enough to meet the description of "marriage" (and indeed, WHICH ideal of "marriage" there is...I hate to break it to some folks, but the Bible and Judeo-Christian culture is NOT the only culture ever with an ideal of marriage, so in an increasingly-multi-cultural USA, it seems absurd to limit the legally-recognized definition to a Judeo-Christian conception) does not sit well with me.

Gays should be allowed to marry. Period. No "state decision" nonsense.

That is outright bigotry, and not to be tolerated.

Love is love, they should be allowed to marry, and to deny them that right via "States' rights" is to make them second-class citizens, which is not right in ANY definition of a truly free and modern democracy (or republic, if we're to be particular about it.) ;)
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
25 Aug 12 UTC
"I don't trust the States to make the correct or even moral decisions, I'm afraid."

You trust the federal government more? With state or local government, grassroots movements have real power. A popular local lawyer or businessman could get elected to a state office and effect positive change. There's a lot more room for political outsiders in state governments. The federal government is a ridiculously corrupt, morally shady institution. The only thing the federal government is good at (and the only thing that it should do) is defend the nation (directly through defense spending and indirectly through infrastructure and R&D spending), protect incorporated constitutional rights, and keep the states from fighting each other.

"Gays should be allowed to marry. Period. No "state decision" nonsense."

So states should be allowed to regulate firearms to their hearts' content (unconstitutional) but they should not be allowed to ban gay marriage (constitutional at the moment)? Doesn't that seem hypocritical to you?
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
Bounce. I want to hear some more opinions
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
"You trust the federal government more?"

I actually do, though not for the reason I think most pro-federalists do.

My issue with states-first-rule is that it actually takes away an informal Check and Balance, namely, the Check and Balance of competing opinions on policy, especially social policy. If you live in, say, the Solid South, your politics are likely to be monopolized by a set of values--pro-gun, pro-Bible/Christianity, largely anti-liberal, your demographics are, with the obvious exceptions of Texas and Florida, more likely to be more predominantly white or black/white with less cultural variation than other regions of the country, etc.--and so to succeed politically at the state-level, you have to largely start from these baselines.

I'm sure there are Congressmen/women who are exceptions, and of course folks here from the South like President Eden don't fit all those criteria, but we can certainly agree MOST states and voters in the Solid South would fit MOST of those criteria, easily.

NOW.

Local values are a good thing, and I mean that. They give a sense of cultural identity and unity, and those are both very important. They can also give a sense of continuity.

But as important as they are, and while it is inevitable that they will shape policy in a state to some degree, social values CANNOT be allowed to wholly shape the policy of a state, particularly its social policy.

THIS is where the importance of the federal government comes in--not from the Executive branch, but the Legislative.

It is VITAL that the ideas and values of a region be a say BUT not the final or only say in what governs said region, and Congress facilitates this by bringing several regions together, in order that there might be, certainly, a clash between cultures, but this serves as a larger, cultural check, and is often for the better.

After all, it may be easy for a state like Mississippi to scorn illegal Latino immigrants out of hand--it doesn't have very many, after all.

However, growing up in Southern California, I would argue that there is, at least among some, myself included, a different and more sympathetic view of illegal immigrants because, well, they (I) see them and talk to them in the course of our actions every day, and when you do THAT, it's a lot harder to outright demonize or chastise an entire people the way it might be if you have never met them.

Arizona provides yet another view--that of a state with many Latino immigrants of this nature, but one that's responding differently than California.

Florida, again, is different.

ALL of these states, thus, check each other when passing NATIONAL laws, and for that reason I trust the Legislative Branch (as much as I, like nearly everyone else, find it to be a sloth-like waste at the moment) far more than the state governments.

The Congressmen and women from Mississippi, California, Arizona, and Florida all have to face their constituents, sure, but they also have to face one another, and if the values or ideals of one jar violently with the others, even if it is socially-acceptable back home, said Congressman or woman might have trouble passing legislation, as you need friends in Congress, and if you lack them because of your social views and your fellow Congressmen and women find you bigoted or too forgiving or what have you, then that's definitely a informal socio-political check.

It isn't from the States that we get the 13th and 14th Amendments, and it isn't from them that we get the Civil Rights Act--where the States, in other words, are sometimes comfortable to turn a blind eye, the Federal Government provides a social Check to that as it is comprised of all 50 states and thus up to 50 different state views.

There's likely an example of the South checking another body in a positive way, the above cases are just the most readily memorable, at least for me, so please don't take it as just my attacking the South here, as I really do not intend that.

"The federal government is a ridiculously corrupt, morally shady institution."

State governments are ridiculously corrupt, morally shady institutions as well.

I'd submit nearly all political structures in this country are.

But at least the Federal government has inter-regional social checks and balances, so if you're a Latino living in a very-white state such as Mississippi or New Hampshire, you can still at least take some comfort knowing that states such as Florida and California (and to be fair to the South, possibly Texas, I haven't checked, but it's large enough and has enough of a Latino community that it may well have one) do have Congressmen that can speak for the Latino community in America.

If it's States-first, that balance is lost, the voice of the minority in any region is drowned out.
But with the Legislative Branch, and the sort of cross-cultural, social checks and balances it affords, social minorities ARE given at least the opportunity for a voice to speak to their social needs, and if a state or states are behaving in a manner that seems immoral to the rest of the nation, the other states may have at least a chance at correcting that, or intervening.

(And before someone states that I above treat all Latinos as one single bloc, YES, I recognize that just because you're a Latino in NYC doesn't mean you'll connect with one in CA or FL; that being said, studies do show that such things as "The Black Vote" and "The Latino Vote" do exist, as there are often social and cultural reasons that unite the majority of such blocs together, regardless of region, so just as I said PE is a counterexample to some of the "values" I expressed for many Southern voters while still retaining his Southernity--if that's a word--you can be Latino and vote "against" the Latino Bloc, as it were, and remain Latino, it's just that statistically, there IS a Latino Bloc of Votes, and there are many social issues that most Latinos DO care about and hold similar views on.)
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
"So states should be allowed to regulate firearms to their hearts' content (unconstitutional) but they should not be allowed to ban gay marriage (constitutional at the moment)? Doesn't that seem hypocritical to you?"

1. It's not unconstitutional to regulate arms--am I "infringing on your right to bear arms" by passing a law that says "You are not allowed to own semi-automatics or cop-killer bullets in Los Angeles" as the LA City Council?

No, you can still own arms, plenty of them, in fact--the restriction of some doesn't mean the restriction of ALL, which is what I would argue the 2nd Amendment (at its most generous) allows for, for arms to be owned, if not all arms.

2. I said states AND the fed should regulate guns together.

3. Perfect example of what I mean by "social checks and balances."

No, they should not be allowed to ban gay marriage, as:

1. There is not (thankfully) a national definition for "marriage," and there ARE, amazingly enough, marriage systems that are NOT like those of the Judeo-Christian world that DO allow for gay marriage.

SO.

With marriage undefined and left open (again, for the greater liberty of all) that means that anyone can get married in the manner that they choose...

So banning such marriages IS wrong, markedly so.

What's more, it can (and has) been argued that the 14th Amendment--that all citizens in the US enjoy equal rights that may not be taken away by the federal or any other government, to admittedly terribly over-simplify the point so as not to have this post be too long--applies here.

Most of the gays in question ARE born in the US...they should have the same rights...

There IS no federal definition of marriage, again, this being a positive and allowing us to be a true melting pot of liberty...

SO...yes, gays should be allowed to marry if so they wish, there is nothing but a musty old RELIGIOUS text that not everyone in this nation agrees with and that the Founders went out of their way to SEPARATE from government completely...so yes.

They should be allowed to marry, no state or person should ban that. They are as free as you or I to marry and to love and live in the fullest dignity that this country's laws affords.
FlemGem (1297 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
Interesting stuff, Obi, I don't think I've really thought of it that way before and well, it kinda makes sense. I am more of a states-rights kinda guy but I'll have to chew some more on what you said.
FlemGem (1297 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
By which I meant the 9:53 post.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
"Minorities have a right to appeal to the Constitution as a shield against such oppression."

"One great object of the Constitution was to restrain majorities from oppressing minorities or encroaching upon their just rights."

-- President James K. Polk, Eleventh President of the United States
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I respect and understand your position and arguments, but you are missing mine. Certain parts of the Constitution, mostly important parts like the 14th Amendment, have been incorporated to the states by the Supreme Court. In other words, Alabama couldn't go back to legally sanctioned segregation because the 14th Amendment has been incorporated. Chicago can't ban handguns because the 2nd Amendment has been (recently) incorporated. I included those two quotes from President Polk (one of our greatest and *the* most underrated President). He was President in the 1840s, when states basically *were* sovereign nations and before the Constitution had been widely incorporated. Oppressed minorities always have a right to appeal to the court system using the Constitution. Also, we have interest groups now. The NAACP would explode on someone if anything even close to discriminatory was passed by a state house. (Sorry to use the overused race example, but it's late at night and my creativity and alertness have gone down the drain)

"am I "infringing on your right to bear arms" by passing a law that says "You are not allowed to own semi-automatics or cop-killer bullets in Los Angeles" as the LA City Council?"

In short, you are infringing on my rights if I am a law-abiding, qualified citizen.
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I have no opinion on gay marriage. I don't care either way. But I must point out what I perceive to be hypocrisy on your part. I see a double standard. On one hand, you say that states and cities should be able to regulate firearms, but on the other hand they should not be able to regulate marriage.
Bottom-up government is objectively superior to top-down if the form of government is democratic and meant to be representative. Why that's so honestly should be obvious; you don't get government representative of the "bottom" - the non-elite - by starting from the top. Top-down governments are inherently unrepresentative of the governed; in fact that's the whole point. Top-down is representative of the governors, bottom-up of the governed.

This closely parallels economics. Free market economies will necessarily be bottom-up, as they're built on suppliers aiming to meet the wants of as many consumers in the economy as possible, not on meeting the wants of an aristocratic class. More controlled economies will necessarily be top-down, not only to meet the structural definition of an economy with some degree of top-down control but also for the convenience of the economic ruling class.

I don't think there's much doubt that I personally prefer bottom-up for both.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
@Gunfighter:

--On Polk:

I agree, Polk is the single most underrated president (though I expect my Mexican-American friends might have quite another opinion of him...which, in fairness to them, I guess I can understand.) :p

--On guns (yet again):

This is where the gun lobbyists lose me.

Because, as I said, I don't have a problem with people bearing arms; I don't think I ever would myself (at least not out of an idea of defense, I not only don't see the necessity when security systems and an emergency baseball bat provides decent protection, at least in my neck of the woods, but I just can't ever get the idea of somehow beating some burglar to the draw, as it were...seems implausible to me for MOST people to be able to do so, quick AND accurate shooting is extremely difficult to do, and I think the movies and TV are partially to blame for a mindset that one may be able to beat a robber to the draw cowboy-style, but I digress) but if someone wants to own a gun for defense or for sport, I say--

FINE...but as with owning or using many things, there have to be limits.

I'm sorry, but owning an AK-47 is not reasonable to own "for defense."

And that's where the gun lobbyists here lose me, so perhaps you can set me straight, Gunfighter:

WHY is it that my saying "limit some guns" is taken as an attack on all guns and all gun-owners?

I trust everyone here would agree that someone in possession of an AK-47 (or, to take the most absurd pro-guns example I've heard in my life, a BAZOOKA) is not exactly what the Founders had in mind...and more to the point, that owning such a weapon (especially the latter) really isn't a good example of responsible and rational gun ownership?

If you want to own a handgun--I say fine.
If you want to own a shotgun--again, fine...I'd prefer not in urban areas, but I digress.
If you want to own a rifle--again, fine, again, I'd prefer not in highly-populated areas, but that's for the state and federal governments to work together to decide.

I draw the line at assault weapons like AKs, semi-automatics, machine guns, that sort of thing, and I again would emphasize that urban areas be more restrictive than country areas, for obvious reasons.

I don't think that's unreasonable...so where is the problem?

If the response is "The 2nd Amendment says that "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," may I respond by pointing out that limiting WHICH arms you may possess is not directly infringing upon your right to bear arms; you may still bear arms, just not ALL arms.

I ask why that is not a reasonable and rational stance...surely you'd agree that owning a bazooka is absurd...

So surely you must agree that SOME limits are warranted, yes?

If I disallow any and all guns, THEN I am breaking the law and infringing on your 2nd Amendment rights...

If I merely say "You may bear arms, and bear them freely, but not Arms A, B, and C, D-Z are all free game" then have I not allowed you, still, to bear arms while keeping a reasonable restriction so as not to have assault rifles on the streets of New York and Los Angeles, or sniper rifles in D.C., where they can do real and obvious damage and injury to innocent civilians?

--On State/Federal:

Well, yes, now Alabama can't go back...but the fact remains the REASON they can't go back now is because of intervention by the Federal government, the Legislative or Executive or Judicial branch or branches, whichever you wish to credit...

When, as Alabama's did did, your state governor swears "Segregation today, segregation tomorrow, segregation forever," clearly it's time for the federal government to step in.

But what's more telling about that than who intervened--and why I'd trust the federal over the state government any day--is why the Alabama governor was able to make that statement...

Namely, the matter of accountability.

Alabama's state governor was accountable to the people of Alabama.
That's a rather small, focused constituency.
That's also not a large or diverse body of people he's accountable to.
He thus could get away with such a statement.

A national Senator or Congressman, especially nowadays, really could not...

They're accountable to their state, yes, but as part of their being a federal senator, they're also accountable to all 300+ million of us, to say nothing of media scrutiny Left, Right, and Center, as Todd Akin has found out.

PERHAPS Akin could get away with his statements to certain people in his area of Missouri, I don't know.

But certainly, on a federal and national scale, he cannot and has not been able to do so, especially with various media outlets (rightly) scathing him and the social media of today acting as yet another voice of the people doing so.

Simply put--

I'll almost always trust the voice of the federal government over a state government because of the sheer diversity which informs it and the sheer amount of accountability it faces, neither of which are the case in a state government--

It may well be the case, as you (I think) point out that state governments are more effective in several areas in regards to dealing with matters...

But I'm referring strictly to who I'd TRUST, not to who I would deem most effective or efficient--

Greater accountability equating to greater transparency and trust, and states from different regional backgrounds checking one another as well as various news and social media outlets checking one another and the federal government, I have to take the area with greater accountability and greater checks, and that for me is the federal government.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
Hold on to those thoughts. I'll respond in 10 to 12 hours.
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
27 Aug 12 UTC
On guns:

"but I just can't ever get the idea of somehow beating some burglar to the draw"

That doesn't happen in real life. Armed burglars are rare, and armed burglars who are willing to kill are extremely rare. The objective of a burglar is to sneak in and out of the house without being detected.

"I'm sorry, but owning an AK-47 is not reasonable to own "for defense.""

Of course not. It's a big, heavy assault rifle. Terrible choice for home defense. It's a great weapon, but I wouldn't take it with me around corners.

"If you want to own a handgun--I say fine.
If you want to own a shotgun--again, fine...I'd prefer not in urban areas, but I digress.
If you want to own a rifle--again, fine, again, I'd prefer not in highly-populated areas, but that's for the state and federal governments to work together to decide.

I draw the line at assault weapons like AKs, semi-automatics, machine guns, that sort of thing,"

I'm not in favor of unrestricted sales. I don't think that every thug should be able to walk into the local pawn shop and buy *any* gun, much less a deadly war machine. As I've said before, some sort of gun registration system and graduated licensing system is the way to go. That way live-alone Grandma can take a one week class and keep her little .38 that helps her sleep at night, and hardcore gun nuts like myself can take an eight week class and spend a lot of money and get an M60 for the sole purpose of having the time of our lives at the range every weekend. Banning a gun just for being a particular type of gun is stupid and wrong. Making sure only qualified individuals possess guns is common sense.

"I again would emphasize that urban areas be more restrictive than country areas, for obvious reasons."

Urban areas have much higher crimes rates. There is an inverse correlation between legal gun ownership and crime rates. If anything urban areas should have more relaxed gun laws.

"surely you'd agree that owning a bazooka is absurd..."

Not if you're a sane (and wealthy) bazooka enthusiast. Gun enthusiasts should have the freedom to pursue their passion in a safe and legal manner. I don't know how we are any different than model rocket enthusiasts, sport/recreational pilots, or even golfers.

"If I merely say "You may bear arms, and bear them freely, but not Arms A, B, and C, D-Z are all free game" then have I not allowed you, still, to bear arms while keeping a reasonable restriction so as not to have assault rifles on the streets of New York and Los Angeles, or sniper rifles in D.C., where they can do real and obvious damage and injury to innocent civilians?"

You can't assume that any firearm or firearm type will be used for unlawful purposes. Sure, I could use a McMillan Tac-50 (technically an anti-material rifle; it was the first weapon that popped into my head) to go on a sniper spree. That's a given. But I'm probably just a normal person who likes to shoot

"Well, yes, now Alabama can't go back...but the fact remains the REASON they can't go back now is because of intervention by the Federal government"

And that's good. I said that there are times when the federal government needs to step in to protect minority rights. Mr. Polk agrees.

"they're also accountable to all 300+ million of us"

That's not true. Congressmen represent their respective constituencies, and senators represent their states. They are only accountable to their electorate.

"But I'm referring strictly to who I'd TRUST, not to who I would deem most effective or efficient--"

I disagree with you there too. I don't trust ineffective or inefficient groups.


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Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
Apologies / explanation for my dissapearance
I recently vanished in the middle of four games, all of which I therefore CD-ed in. I am now back and thought it polite to post an explanation.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
26 Aug 12 UTC
'Keep Calm and Carry On'
has become something of a meme here in the UK (rightly or wrongly). Has it seen any interest/popularity in the US?

Reason I ask: In a news article on the BBC covering the American presidential race, I was quite surprised to see some people in the background wearing 'Keep Calm and Carry On' T-shirts.
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taos (281 D)
16 Aug 12 UTC
jugernaut vs france-england vs italy-austria-germany
who is in to try it?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97478
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
24 Aug 12 UTC
Retiring and moving on to a new phase
Details inside.
36 replies
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
26 Aug 12 UTC
bartdogg
bartdogg do you still visit this site
1 reply
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northstar (662 D)
26 Aug 12 UTC
How do you report people for cheating?
Noticed two players allied in half a dozen "anonymous" games always end up allying and always end up drawing it or one of them winning. It is pretty strong circumstantial evidence of cheating.
2 replies
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
24 Aug 12 UTC
Will You Be My Friend?
Looking to start a new game. The last one didn't go so well, so I'm going to be a little more picky this time.

24hr/phase WTA Classic Full Press 5-100 D
Everyone is allowed (1) One-Week Pause, which must be granted. Please don't expect additional pauses.
35 replies
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Putin33 (111 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
Lance stripped of titles
Discuss
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rojimy1123 (597 D)
25 Aug 12 UTC
Nothing to do on a Saturday Night
New live game starting in one hour. Join and let's have ourselves a throwdown.
1 reply
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Texastough (25 DX)
25 Aug 12 UTC
Eminems The Warning versus Mariah Carey's Obsessed?
Which diss song/artist is better?
1 reply
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President Eden (2750 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
So Breivik is going to be sentenced soon
Discussion thread here, with particular emphasis on (a) what we expect he'll get and (b) what he should get.

(a) Probably deemed insane, spend the rest of his days in a max-security psychiatric ward in Norway
(b) Exile to Bouvet Island for life
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Yonni (136 D(S))
25 Aug 12 UTC
Holy f'ing Christ...
Red sox and dodgers poised to make the most ridiculous trade in professional sports history. Quarter of a billion dollars being sent to te west coast... Maybe. Christ.
4 replies
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
12 Aug 12 UTC
+++Mitt Romney 4 President+++
The campaign starts here....... any advice or tips on how we are going to get Mitt into the White House. We need a winning slogan, any ideas?
75 replies
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Aug 12 UTC
Driving Off a Fiscal Cliff--What is Your Opinion?
I'll give a quick disclosure here and say economics certainly isn't my strongest suit, so my understanding of the Fiscal Cliff being talked about boils down to going ahead with programs for 2013 that would lead to tax increases vs. canceling some and accruing more debt. If that's in error, I apologize. But in any case--what is your take on it, and which side of that coin do you prefer? (And can we PLEASE keep it civil.) :)
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Invictus (240 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
Interesting, if overly optimistic, study
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/08/22/analysis-election-factors-points-romney-win-university-colorado-study-says
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Oskar (100 D(S))
24 Aug 12 UTC
2-Day, WTA, Anon, Classic Map 200p
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97945

Any takers? A couple people have already joined. I have no idea who. Figure the 200 buy in ought to be sufficient to keep the riff raff away.
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djakarta97 (358 D)
27 Jul 12 UTC
3 Game Tournament
I'm thinking of hosting a 5 game tournament, sometime in October/November. The tournament will consist of 3 gunboats, 1 full press and 1 public press. The entry bet is 5 . The passwords for the games will be PM'd to the respective players. So, who wants to play?
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
ANOTHER FD Game??
I like having an even number of points, so i am starting yet another game :)

World, Non-anon, PPSC, 7 point bet (so i can get to an even hundred)
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JECE (1322 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
"First cut is the deepest" – I just missed this thread
threadID=895928
This article should shed more light on the 'debate':

http://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/2011/08/08/analysis-circumcision-debate-rages-as-african-campaign-expands/
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Fortress Door (1837 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
Lower Pot Med Game
A Med game with a lower pot, probably around 10-20 D. One day phase, non-anon, and ppsc
58 replies
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President Eden (2750 D)
24 Aug 12 UTC
RUH ROH
http://www.colorado.edu/news/releases/2012/08/22/analysis-election-factors-points-romney-win-university-colorado-study-says

Go nuts.
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MichiganMan (5126 D)
22 Aug 12 UTC
Managed Futures Trading
I am tired of talking about murder, 9-11, rape, abortion, guns, etc. Let's talk about something exciting -- making MONEY!

Anyone interested in a low-risk, high yield managed futures trading strategy?
69 replies
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Aug 12 UTC
eCigarettes
So, my cousin came to visit and he's close to being a chain smoker. While visiting, he was using an eCigarette, which he said was pretty decent. Do people think these will start becoming more popular than cigarettes? Do people think eCigarettes will cause a resurgence of smoking in newer generations?
24 replies
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NigelFarage (567 D)
23 Aug 12 UTC
Bans
So, just a general curiosity question: what are the different ban reasons and their explanations? I know by now what multis and metagaming are, and that users can have their account frozen if they die, but, for example, what is an auto, and how does it work? Are there any other unusual ban reasons? I think I've seen other ones I didn't understand before, but I don't remember them now
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
22 Aug 12 UTC
Here's one for discussion...
Assisted death. I believe in it for reasons explained in the article.
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dangermouse (5551 D)
21 Aug 12 UTC
Is Plura still around?
I noticed a comment on it under FAQ>Bugs, but it directs me to an additional section which I can't find.

Not sure if I'm still just opted out or if Kestas did away with it.
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