Let's clarify this. Mormon's (aka John Smith) innovated Christian polygamy based on OT teachings of Jewish polygamy. Christianity has always been "man and woman are broguth together and the two are made one" until Mormonism came along and perverted Christian teachings.

John Smith - the original L. Ron Hubbard.

i will cut my self before hurting my child in any way,the jewish religion is old and primitive,this is the 21 century.
in case you don'tknow i am jew and circumcised.(the baby cries a lot so i guess it hurts)no anestetic only a bit of wine(alcohol to children!?)

@taos - Then you are a Jew by heritage only, not by faith. For you have abandoned your faith to practice soemthing other than Judaism.

The hubris of our modern age. Thinking we know better than the hundreds of generations before us, just because our tools and other gadgets are so much more complicated.

Of course it hurts. It's a sensitive location!

That's part of the point.

Actually, the point is the part they snip. :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.

LOL

I am jew by heritage yes.
i don't believe in religions i am atheist and taoistic
i believe in the future of human kind,we are still a bunch of ignorant animals but we get smarter in every generation.

I see no evidence of that.

^your kids will

LOL Until they're in their 30s, they will.

Just as our immature era thinks it knows everything.

I've never met a single guy who was circumcised who didn't think that it was better to be circumcised. And I've never met a single guy who wasn't circumcised who didn't think that it was better not to be circumcised.

99% of people's opinions on this is just about which one they're used to. It's definitely not child abuse, that's ridiculous as it has thousands of years of history, but it's a personal preference that should be left up to the parents and no one else.

Draug, the Judaism that is prevalent today asks nothing more than for you to be Jewish by heritage. Depending on the sect, faith is hardly any object. I would assume that taos followed reform Jewish law, which is essentially as relaxed as any religion gets nowadays. It has turned many - including myself - into agnostic, non-religious people, but it doesn't really require me to believe otherwise to be able to say I'm Jewish. It makes little sense that it's gotten that way, but that is the opinion of the general "American Jew" nowadays. If you go to Israel, it's a lot more religious.

Anyway, circumcision isn't child abuse. That's about as pathetic of an excuse to make it illegal as they could have possibly come up with. Sounds similar to a policy that they would have made back in the late 30s and early 40s if you ask me.

"Let's clarify this. Mormon's (aka John Smith) innovated Christian polygamy based on OT teachings of Jewish polygamy. Christianity has always been "man and woman are broguth together and the two are made one" until Mormonism came along and perverted Christian teachings."

Bernhard Rothmann actually supported polygamy in the anabaptist denomination of the 16th century. I don't think he was the innovator, but he was a prominent leader who supported the practice well before Mormonism was conceived.

I didn't say Joseph Smith/the Mormons invented the idea. I said that their promotion of it in 19th Century was outside the accepted norms of the time.

Taos: "i believe in the future of human kind,we are still a bunch of ignorant animals but we get smarter in every generation."
Dipplayer: "I see no evidence of that."

Plus 1 Dipplayer for that comment. California government is a case in point.

FYI taoism is an eastern philosophy/religion which was not overly influenced by Judeo-Christian beliefs. It is not a sect of Judaism.

I wonder if I see a day when any controversial debate about Germany won't include neverending Nazi refferences. Jews in Germany are not a relevant minority; if anything, this ruling would affect local Muslims that actually have some presence in the country. Plus the government reassured both Muslims and Jews that they will try to find a quick solution which will allow the practice to continue. I only hope such a blatantly political solution won't negatively affect the independence and high quality of German justice system.

I see no one brought it up but there is an aesthetic issue to this as well as cultural norms. In the US much higher numbers of men are circumcised than in Europe, so many in the US see circumcision as normal and more attractive where the opposite is true in Europe.

Why should it matter to me that the parents of the child might be Jewish? They have a duty of care to that child, and it certainly isn't an unreasonable viewpoint that subjecting your child to surgery for cultural reasons (there may be a medical argument, but that isn't why it is done) represents a dereliction of that duty.

I have very little time for parents arguing they should be allowed to harm their child for religious reasons (in other words, because of a fairy tale), be it denial of education or cutting off vast numbers of nerves from their genitals.

First Cut is the Deepest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZYAaQoks8

"Hey, we just had a baby boy! LET'S CHOP OFF HALF OF HIS DICK BECAUSE OUR IMAGINARY FRIEND SAID TO!"

I WANT MY FORESKIN BACK

Seriously, what is it with this "God" character and child abuse? "Abraham, kill your kid. lol, jk."