Forum
A place to discuss topics/games with other webDiplomacy players.
Page 88 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
DHSRules (100 D)
07 Apr 08 UTC
New 200 pt game.
Join plz =]
0 replies
Open
canute (0 DX)
30 Mar 08 UTC
Any interest in a 3 team game? Italy cd
?
9 replies
Open
dangermouse (5551 D)
07 Apr 08 UTC
Long convoys are even more fun now..
..that all of the lines are drawn on the map. :)

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3207
2 replies
Open
anlari (8640 D)
07 Apr 08 UTC
Strange Variant
How about a game where it is forbidden to support hold?
5 replies
Open
XiangYu (144 D)
06 Apr 08 UTC
A question: Who are we online?

This is a general question, or even debate based on why we change who we really are on the internet, and the reasons behind it.
18 replies
Open
flashman (2274 D(G))
07 Apr 08 UTC
Reuters - Intensive Press Game
The game has been started, please let us know in here if you have been able to join or if you have tried to join but failed...

Please note, the seven players have already been selected.
17 replies
Open
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
07 Apr 08 UTC
Winner takes all? 101!
Join this game:
Winner takes all? 101!
3 replies
Open
Zalyana (702 D)
07 Apr 08 UTC
=^..^= New 102 point game!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3463
0 replies
Open
keeper0018 (100 D)
06 Apr 08 UTC
Longer Turns
That's it, I've had it. I'm so freakin' tired of going from diong great in my games to doing shitty, just by missing one freakin' turn. I really need to hear some of you agree with me that we need some longer deadlines.
22 replies
Open
flashman (2274 D(G))
04 Apr 08 UTC
Have you ever met me...?
Unashamed personal advert coming up, so if you have a low tolerance for this kind of agrandisment, you are warned to switch off now...




TVB - 6:55 pm - Sunday

I am on the box (with Wombat) sounding off as to why he went to LSC instead of DBS...

I will be the good-looking one...

Enjoy

(Fame or infamy at last.)
30 replies
Open
mapleleaf (0 DX)
06 Apr 08 UTC
STEVE RUBELL game, Italy in cd and in great shape!!!

Good time to join. Early in the game, and you get a build. Eighteen hours until spring......
1 reply
Open
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
01 Apr 08 UTC
Intensive Press Game
I would be interested in starting up an intensive press game. This is not for the faint hearted, and would involve only those who have the time to post at length about tactics, as well as life, the universe and everything. The idea is to get dialogue going, not to have one word answers to discussions of tactics, which happens all too frequently.

If you are interested, please post below. It would also be for a mid-ranking pot to spice thing up a bit.

35 replies
Open
Wombat (722 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
Ban Trolling...
Kestas, lets just get rid of these threads... they're full of indecent insults and language, and simple stupidity.
21 replies
Open
Noodlebug (1812 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
WTA doesn't work - so I guess that's it.
This is a long complaint, a whine if you wish, and most of it is a re-emphasis of my philosophy that Diplomacy should be all about playing to win.

Please don't bother reading this if you aren't interested, it will waste 10 minutes of your life you will never get back. There is a serious debate to be had here, if all you want is to abuse me then start a new thread called "Noodlebug sucks" or something.

My complaint is against a class of people who play in games but do not try to win them. These people have a completely different philosophy to mine. I do not agree with them, but they have a right to play the way they play. I just wish they would stick to PPS games to do it rather than ruining WTA games...
Page 1 of 3
FirstPreviousNextLast
 
Noodlebug (1812 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
Well, I played a low-stakes game to test the water with WTA and to all intents and purposes it now seems over. I wanted to see if it was the cure-all we were promised, 7 players all trying to win the game just as the creators intended. Well, I've discovered a big flaw, WTA doesn't work.

As many of you know I was very alarmed when the points system was introduced as that completely changed the objective of the game. Instead of people looking at the "most wins" it all became about points, and of course you don't have to win a game to get points. So a lot of people stopped trying. They became all about the points. As soon as that situation develops, it unbalances the game. A very good player can get sidelined because someone on the other side of the board is running away with the game. That shouldn't happen, what should happen is as soon as someone starts running away with a game, EVERYONE starts figuring out how to stop them. Because you can't win a game if someone else wins it first.

Anyhew, eventually I just stopped playing because every game got so boring and predictable and pretty much impossible to win without a huge chunk of luck. Even in a high stakes game, the top ranked player got a free pass to a win because one or two countries were more worried about losing points than losing the game.

So just for me, and similar minded people, Kestas introduced Winner Takes All (WTA) games. This was meant to eliminate the problem of ratings-farmers, of spoilers and blockers - in a game where only the winner gets any points, surely everyone must try to win? Surely everyone must try and stop whoever looks like winning? I was quite excited about it when I started my first game.


The game sure had a promising start, with surprises, stabs, and unexpected switches in allegience. But a couple of players didn't seem to be playing like players who wanted to win. And then France, my main rival (I am Turkey) started talking about draws.

I explained my concerns about this in another thread, and it turns out I was absolutely right to be concerned. However this game ends, it is now effectively a Points Per Supply Centre game. Either I accept a draw with France and Italy, or they destroy me and agree a draw between themselves. And in the event of a draw, the split will of course be determined per supply centre.

Italy has never looked like he has been trying to win, and the prospect of a draw is manna from heaven for him. His tactics have proven successful, who is to say he and other players will not play a spoiling game in future WTA games?

France is happy to concede a share of the pot, either to Italy and myself or just Italy. He doesn't have any interest in winning the game, even though he is in a very strong position. It's like he doesn't believe winning a game is even possible!

As for Turkey, it is impossible for me to win. It is just like a PPS game - (to all intents and purposes now, it IS a PPS game) - other players don't want to win, and that has made it impossible for me to win. I can accept defeat and sell out and take a bunch of points (it's like a 210 pot game, wow, my eyes are flashing imaginary dollar signs) or I can make the other two sweat for their stitch-up. Obviously I don't want to encourage spoilers so I have to fight on.

And what could I have done to avoid this situation? Nothing. My choices are and were always either a) fight to the death, or b) accept a draw. A lose-lose situation.

I don't want to play a game where winning is not possible. This used to be a good game, I used to win often. Or I used to be beaten fairly by people who were trying to win and needed to take me out. But I really don't like PPS games, and I don't like WTA games that turn into PPS games, I don't want to be involved in games with people who have no interest in winning. I don't want to compete with mediocrity, where the choice is join it or lose. I don't want to play really enjoyable games that end in an anticlimax because the other players stop competing.

I know many of you think I'm being childish, and sure you get whatever you get out of the game and it gives you some measure of fulfillment. I'm not getting that any more, I'm just constantly disappointed that I can't find 6 people willing to start and finish a game where it's a given from the start that only one person is going to be victorious - the most skilfull rather than the luckiest. I used to be able to get that here, and I can't any more.

Anyway, as things stand there isn't much point in my starting another game. I will probably hang around the forums for a while (if nothing else to field the abuse from this thread!), finish this interminable PPS game I unwillingly got involved in, then slowly drift away as my passion fades. I'd like to thank Kestas and figlesquidge for the good times, a shout to my old friends and adversaries, and a salute for all those that have fallen.
Pandora (100 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
noodlebug sucks.

just kidding.

I think the best thing to do is create a WTA game with like minded people. you could insure this by informing all players that draws are not an option. that way they will only join if they intend to win, and will play as such
pythex (144 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
The alternative is adding an "undrawable" option to starting games.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I really disagree with that Noodle. I agree with your views, but I think you neglect two factors:
1) A draw is a valid outcome
2) Until a game is over you cannot know how it is going. For all you know it is very possible that both France and Italy intend to stab, and that neither intend to take the draw.
In Italy's position, as you say accepting France's offer for a draw seems like a good idea, for now. He cannot win directly from his current situation, so before he goes for the victory he must keep the game in progress. For France it is possibly a master-stroke. He has seemingly persuaded Italy to do exactly as he wants, and can easily stab whenever he chooses, as his units are behind all the Italian lines. For you, I agree this is not good. However, you can still get out of it, perhaps by using the same sort of logic as I have just stated. Alternatively, you may have to sell off some of your fronteer lands in exchange for Italy supporting you against France. I don't know the exact details, but you are a better player than I, and I'm sure you'll find some that work out.
Also, I did very little work for running the site, just a few little patches here and there, all of which I believe have been replaced in 0.8.
Don't leave Noodle! threads won't be the same without your and Alamothe's views :P
ednos (529 D(S))
04 Apr 08 UTC
How do you actually create a winner-takes-all game? I see no option in the "New Game" page.
Pandora (100 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
you must have 100 points
Pandora (100 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
101
Noodlebug (1812 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I have negotiated Italy to death and stonewalled every single time. I think it's personal for him now! He's determined to lose just to spite me :P

A draw is a valid outcome **of last resort**. Where players cannot be seperated and the game degenerates into stalemate. Just ending the game at a completely random point when a number of players are still capable of winning is not an outcome. It's an interruption, an anticlimax. Draws are offered by players low on confidence or talent, because anyone else in a strong position must see the obvious benefit of winning!

I've never been involved in a draw, and I've never even been offered one before this week. There never used to be draws, remember? Even obvious stalemates used to go on several years until one side broke! It may be a "valid outcome" according to the rules but it's a retrograde step in terms of gameplay and certainty.

As for point 2, France offered the draw so if everyone accepts it is a done deal. He's clearly prepared to accept it. And Italy will never achieve anything without a draw, and has never looked likely to. I would never risk conceding victory by offering a draw, however tactically advantageous it may be. There's nothing tactically advantageous about losing. A drawn game is as meaningless as a lost game where I come from.
Noirin (2827 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I do agree with Noodle that WTA games should go to the bitter end or to stalemate lines; draws shouldn't be encouraged when there is still a chance to win. I also think the point system isn't to be blamed, (well, not only it at least) as France (in your example) actually *loses* points by offering a draw. So it isn't points what is making him take that decision.

A little off topic: I do not agree on the fact that Diplomacy should be a game where everyone gangs up against the current leader; there was an interesting interview of Allan B Calhammer on this, but I fear it was on diplomacy-archive, which is now defunct. I'll link it if I happen to find it again.
dangermouse (5551 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
1) I'm completely with Noodle on this one. I'm playing mostly PPS games because that is what is available. I've had to change tactics because I know many other players are going for points rather than victories. I don't really like it, but my other option is to throw away winnable games (or not play). I don't think there's much you can do to prevent players with a "draw/survive-first" mindset from joining WTA games except try to educate the populus. Clearly they don't understand the point.

2) I thought Kestas had (correctly) changed draws to payout equally for all survivors. Is that not true?
Noirin (2827 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
It is true once there wasn't the draw option, and I have to thank that for one of my victories (:D) still I think draws should exist, as the only thing that used to break stalemate lines was one of the players getting tired of submitting orders.

I've been absent a bit lately, so what I suggest might be foolish now; but couldn't we ask Kestas to add another flag to the games (both PPSC and WTA) "can draw only if a stalemate is reached"?
After all, if I got it right, he's still manually drawing them.
dangermouse (5551 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
He shouldn't need to add that flag to WTA games (maybe PPSC ones). WTA games SHOULD never end in an unstalemated draw.
Noirin (2827 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I do agree they shouldn't, but then what happens if the players agree on a draw? You tell them to go on? Could be a possibility.
kestasjk (99 DMod(P))
04 Apr 08 UTC
Draws do payout equally for all players. I can see that being able to draw solves the problem, but it's hard to see how this could be solved. How do you program in "last resort only" draws?

Anonymous voting for draws? This wouldn't work if it was in all but one/two player's interests to draw. The draw would be built into the strategy of the remaining players, as they could play to reach a draw. Instead of playing to win they'd be playing for draw votes.

Restricting draws in WTA games to deadlocks only? Or to cases where there are only 2 players left? Well I'm not sure if I could write code that would check when a situation is in a deadlock, and there can be deadlocks with 3 players.

Perhaps when WTA games are drawn the points are returned to all players, as if the game never happened? Now that I think about it this might be the best option.

Your ideas/comments are welcome, I'd like to make phpDip as true to face-to-face diplomacy as possible and wouldn't want points to mess around with how games are played
dangermouse (5551 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I'm not sure on some of those options Kestas. You can't restrict draws to when there are only two players left because there are certainly times when 3 or more players survive in a stalemate. I think the code to check for stalemates would be impossible as many draws occur when 2 or more players band together to stalemate the largest country. In cases like that the game COULD be resolved by smaller countries continuing to attack eachother but doing so would cause them to lose.

My best suggestion is to limit WTA draws to those that, on a case by case basis, are both agreed to by all parties (or in the case of two players it really is a deadlock - we don't want neverending games) AND are deemed valid by a moderator.

I realize this is not an ideal solution but I don't think there's a better one at this time.
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
Well, I can say that I agree totally with Noodle. I would also like to congratulate him on the fact that his spirit of "Noodlebug's Law" managed to enter the Global tab of the RevelStone game.

To my point: A Draw should be when there is a stalemate such that, with best strategy, there can only be a victory when there is a stab, and the perpetrator of the stab would not, indeed could not, with best tactical play in the new alliance structure, be that victor, hence you reach a position where it would not be good play that causes a win, but rather a mistake that causes it.

Moderator approval could be one way to solve this, to program in a solution to do this would never result in a perfect judgement.

However, to add a massive incentive towards winning would, in my view, make the best games possible, by making sure that everyone purely wants to win, and so the game would be more exciting. Hence my vote goes to not giving everyone points back (the eliminated players getting points back is absurd imho) but rather to trash points, so that the survivors get their points back, and the rest disappear.

This would not result in a net loss of points, mind, since many are given to weaker players to top up to 100 points.
Chrispminis (916 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
Well, I'm sure as everyone knows, I completely agree with Noodlebug on this issue, and have my own personal objectives:

1. Win the game.
2. Don't let anyone else win the game.
3. Draw if stalemated.

In a WTA game, I have no problem with being completely annihilated and going out in a blaze. I have a problem with fading silently into second place with a comfortable draw. Honestly, I'm sure people will learn, that if they want to play comfortably without as much risk, they'd do better in PPS, and not in WTA, where hopefully the more ambitious (and vicious?) players will be headed.

I personally intend to play only WTA when I'm finished my current games, except for perhaps some PPS if it's a tournament or it's a variant. I'll see you all there. =)
TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I agree, I will only play PPS when the pot is 5, because 5 points mean nothing to me. (I just bet 100X that in one WTA)
Noodlebug (1812 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
OK I need to make 2 points here in which I admit I was wrong:

1) I didn't realise a draw pays out equally to every participant. Basically France is throwing away a massive advantage for at best parity with a vastly inferior ally. I don't think that's tactical genius any more, I think it's very silly!

2) I though there would be loads of people disagreeing with me and telling me to just get a grip but it seems quite a few people actually share my concerns and frustrations. And I'm glad to see Kestas taking this seriously too. I hope some sort of solution can be found that will make playing games attractive again. Thanks, people.
canute (0 DX)
04 Apr 08 UTC
Noodlebug is spot on!
MarekP (12867 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
I'm sorry Noodlebug, but I don't think we can judge the system by one game. Let's compare the percentage of draws here after a reasonable number of games with the statistics of well established e-mail servers or even FTF tournament games and if it is significantly higher here, let's start thinking about changes of the system. Until then it isn't necessary I think.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
Noodle - it's interesting to hear your views on this. I've wanted to get involved in a winner takes all game since the intro, but thru work pressures I need to hold off for the next month or so. I've enough games as it is.

Anyway, WTA best replicates the original version of dip - the face to face game. Obviously, points are a necessary evil here (no offence meant Kestas!) as rankings draw in players, keep them keen, and offer an incentive.

However, there is no feeling on earth like a f-t-f game. As there are no points, you are solely focused on achieving the very best for your country. Alliances are so much more fluid than on this site. I seem to have come across a type of player - the solid alliance player - that I didn't think existed. Work together for all the game, then split the points. Diplomacy was never meant to have pre-arranged allied draws. It was meant to be a knife stabbing fight to the death.

Draws were simply a result of the creation of stalemate lines, which only really occur in the midgame. Breaking stalemate lines must be one of the more fun occupations on here - I'm currently doing just that with an ally, but we were forced together to stop the largest player on 16 units winning - a purists game.

Draws are a valid way of finishing the game, but for some reason it has become a valid objective, rather than a last resort. Unfortunately, unless you added a disincentive - for example, all players involved in a draw lost 20% of their points, I don't think this could be resolved.

Don't drift off though - I am determined to play a WTA. Perhaps there should be a dedicated list of WTA players who only play 5 point games. Therefore points don't matter, you don't have to worry about rankings, and you can play as a purist would. I would be more than happy to join you, as I regard phpdip as a vehicle to play Dip with interesting people in interesting games, not really to clamber that rankings ladder!
fwancophile (164 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
this is bs - i have been playing to win, but sometimes, you're in a shaky position - yea, my best bet is keep the game going, and yea, i am open to a stab, but consider what you have offered me, actually attacking, the potential stab is a lesser threat and a superior option for me. you jacked me over every step of the way, so give me a break on your "i was negotiating all the way along!"
fwancophile (164 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
two more things - i DID offer to join you and YOU rejected me and last, this is a 400 point pot - it is absurd to suggest we are playing to split it. your argument is sour grapes, intellectual dishonesty, or immaturity - or some combination thereof. last, it may not be personal, but you are being a dick.
Medi (280 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
It seems to me that you've become disenchanted with WTA because it turns out it isn't the soloist game you'd hoped for.

But, just as victory is an option defined in the rules of the game, so is the draw. This isn't a matter of the PPSC stuff, which simply has no basis in the rules of the game. Diplomacy is very strictly defined as having two ways to end the game; either one player gets 18 SCs or the players decide as a whole that they would rather allow the game to end in a draw, which is divided evenly. The second objective is just as valid as the first.

If you're having problems with alliance players, it seems to me that the best solution is either to take advantage of them, if possible, or to encourage a feeling of pro-soloism in the general community of phpdiplo. Either that or you can start specific games in which players agree to go for the win, if possible (and no, that isn't the same thing as WTA).

(PS: The thing I hate most about WTA is that you can't make WTA games with <101 points - some of us newer players to phpdiplo would rather play as few PPSC games as possible, but a WTA game isn't always available, and we can't make them to make up for that!)
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
the way i play this particular game is optimal. it can be mathematically proven. i can't talk more because i don't want other players to learn these secrets
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
by optimal, i mean expected value of the points won is the greatest possible for me. yes, i play for points. but i adopt to the system - of course i don't play both PPS and WTA the same way
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
Kestas, the official rules strictly state that "all players who still have pieces on the board share equally in a draw". why are you considering changing the system because one particular player is disatisfied with one particular game?
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
*adapt :-)
Medi (280 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
You can't mathematically prove that a specific way of playing Diplomacy is optimal, as it's a game of imperfect information. Saying that you can prove that you are playing Diplomacy optimally is just as absurd as saying that you can prove that a specific way of playing poker is optimal.

You can empirically show it (if you think that your odds at making a 3-way draw, say, are higher than 3 times your odds of winning), but you can't prove it.

Page 1 of 3
FirstPreviousNextLast
 

69 replies
reptar_69 (122 D)
28 Mar 08 UTC
Kestas - Request to see the "Iraq- The beginning" Thread Closed
Not only is it sad... But it's filled with hatred and false information. There is nothing good about it... It's just a bunch of kids peeing in each other's Wheeties.

I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN. And I will never forget the ones who died who gave me the right to be free.
99 replies
Open
Thucydides (864 D(B))
30 Mar 08 UTC
History Thread!
What's your favorite thing/event/period from history, and why?

Please don't turn this into a partisan thing.... please. In fact if your favorite thing is from the past 150 years I ask you to be really careful about how you say it lol.
71 replies
Open
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
Noodlebug sucks
i could agree to let you win in that particular game you're complaining about. you said your two options are a) agree to a draw (still open), b) fight to the death (probably meaning try to win, right?)

now you have c) france & italy let me win, i win after a long time, and i'm happy
17 replies
Open
alamothe (3367 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
i challenge Noodlebug
i challenge Noodlebug to make another WTA game in which i won't play and in which draws won't be allowed. let's see your supreme tactical abilities. but please don't make posts on the forum concercing the game while it is running (this is actually in your best interet Noodle :-)
4 replies
Open
Pandora (100 D)
03 Apr 08 UTC
israel and palestine
how do you feel about the recent events, i.e. the "holocaust" of the palestinians, etc.
39 replies
Open
orathaic (1009 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
Bug?
During the retreat phase, when a country has nowhere to retreat their unit it is automatically destroyed.

yet the game doesn't resolve it like that, it waits for the person to disband and finalize the order, or for the time limit to pass and it automatically disbands.

Is there an arguement for keeping it as is?
0 replies
Open
BrianW (195 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
Question: Retreating
Have a quick question. If I were to attack Finland from St Petersburg, with aid from Sweden, would the retreating army be allowed to retreat to St Petersburg? Please not that there is occupying foces in Norway and Sweden, but the army in St. Petersburg is coming into Norway, leaving that region free.
1 reply
Open
Medi (280 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
Gettin' bored o' playin' Diplo?
Avast! Well, do I have the link fer ye.

http://greasemonkey.makedatamakesense.com/browse_like_a_pirate/

With this script, everythin' ye see looks like this post here!

It makes readin' press a lot more entertainin', let me tell ye!
0 replies
Open
flashman (2274 D(G))
31 Mar 08 UTC
Revelstone... the 500 pts WTA game...
The seven players are:

TheGhostmaker
alamothe
Rait
MarekP
stoni90
arthurmklo
and me...

I will start the game and send out the link tomorrow (1st April).

If for any reason you cannot find an e-mail from me, please respond in this thread...
32 replies
Open
Brutorix (100 D)
05 Apr 08 UTC
Trolls R Us
30 pointer game, join up!
0 replies
Open
el_maestro (14722 D(B))
05 Apr 08 UTC
Missing army after autumn: Bugg ?
I play France

I had 4 additionnal builds after autumn, but of course I can only have 3.
2 are well set but the army in brest in missing

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3190
4 replies
Open
Pandora (100 D)
03 Apr 08 UTC
Politics
Face it, your politics are boring as fuck
35 replies
Open
splee (1086 D)
02 Apr 08 UTC
Draw request - Hitler was a Jew
the powers agreed to a draw, and the points are to be allocated as such:
Germany - 16
Austria - 12
Italy - 9
13 replies
Open
Timmy1200 (100 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
making a one hour game
Just for a laugh, there will probably be more civil disorder than the middle east, but its worth a go isnt i suppose
4 replies
Open
Noodlebug (1812 D)
03 Apr 08 UTC
Why I love Trolling
It's such a rush posting controversial but totally irrelevant threads which are supposed to show everyone how cool and unconventional and nonconformist I am, it's just such a shame that people read them and shake their heads and think "what a numpty." Because I'm daring and challenge authority at every turn and don't obey the rules because I'm too cool for school, I use rude words like a three year old to show how grown up I am and I encourage anti-social behaviour which will solve all society's ills by making bread £3 a loaf because the stores have to cover the cost of idiots like me stealing it, which of course forces more people to have to earn more money to feed themselves and become mercenary consumer slaves to the capitalist system so that I can make them feel even worse about themselves while Daddy bails me out yet again next time I go too far.
Of course I'm jealous of those real revolutionaries who are actually out there doing genuine protests and standing up for their beliefs and quietly getting on with living an ethical life without feeling the need to broadcast it to everyone, but I don't have the time because I'm too busy spreading the message to all the people who don't want to hear it. Because if the revolution is going to come, the people who are going to start it are obviously the people who play internet strategy games, and besides the moderators kicked me off all the serious anti-capitalist and environmentalist websites because they said I was "off message". They're all wrong and I'm right because I know I'm right and it's not about how many people agree with you it's about how much you believe in yourself. And yeah some people are genuine fruitcakes but not me because I talk sense.
39 replies
Open
Timmy1200 (100 D)
04 Apr 08 UTC
New Game
It's called Timmy's Game.

See you there
0 replies
Open
Page 88 of 1419
FirstPreviousNextLast
Back to top