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Hippopankake (80 D)
10 Jun 17 UTC
The watchmen
If any of you have ever seen the movie or read the graphic novel
Which do you prefer and why?
Zmaj (215 D (B))
10 Jun 17 UTC
"Watchmen" the graphic novel is an acquired taste. It is too static, too wordy, sacrificing some of the essential advantages of the medium. To make things worse, the drawing style of Gibbons is boring.

What gives "Watchmen" a place in history is Moore's relentless script. One of the images that keep appearing in the comic is clockwork. It's the perfect image of the story: a perfect clockwork, a machine where every part works together to reach the inexorable conclusion. The term "graphic novel" was redeemed by Moore: he actually tried to write a novel.

Of course he didn't succeed. Novels are different animals. His achievements are firmly in the domain of comic books: an incredible anti-hero (Rorschach), a magnificent villain (though Grant Morrison wouldn't agree with me), and a couple of wonderful plot twists.

Finally, while "Watchmen" are a tour de force, they are not as enjoyable as some other works by Moore. "Miracleman" is more passionate and groundbreaking, "Swamp Thing" is more poetic, and "V for Vendetta" is more perverse.

Still, the most impressive thing about "Watchmen" is the sheer amount of love, energy and thought invested by a very smart man into a medium that was, and still is, considered shallow.
bobarctor1977 (214 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Definitely the book for me. I didn't like the ending of the movie nearly as much, especially as it wasn't as carefully nor cleverly foreshadowed like the book's ending was. At first, the book's ending seems strange and bizarre and nonsensical, but as you think about it and re-read it, you see how carefully it was hinted at, how you can see it coming the whole time if you're paying close attention...

I also felt like the movie glorified the violence, or placed too much emphasis on it. Watchmen isn't a Batman or Avengers-type story, where you go to see the good guys and the bad guys get in exciting, drawn-out fights where they punch each other a million times. It's not an action story. It's about ideas, some really intriguing characters, and the subversion of many comic book tropes/conventions. That was the focus of the book, but it felt like Zach Snyder tried to make it appeal to movie-goers wanting less thought-provocation and more action.
LeonWalras (402 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
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I liked the saturday morning cartoon version, and of course the straight to DVD spinoff 'Watchmen Babies in V for Vacation'

https://youtu.be/YDDHHrt6l4w
Zmaj (215 D (B))
12 Jun 17 UTC
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Thanks, Leon. I didn't know about the Saturday morning cartoon, it's hilarious. Apparently Moore likes it more than the actual film.
Puddle (500 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
The book is definitely better. For me its mostly about the characters, Rorschach and Ozymandias are fantastic, and the book spends much more time building all its characters.

@Zmaj, well thought out comment. Would you consider Gaiman to have successfully made a graphic 'novel' with the Sandman compendium?

I think I've only ever seen one version where all 10 compilations are in the same binding, but everyone I know who's read them, has done so more or less back-to-back.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
13 Jun 17 UTC
Puddle, I could never warm up to the Sandman. I make a point of reading comics that are praised by smart people, and the Sandman is held in high esteem, but it never clicked for me. In all honesty, I believe Gaiman tricked people by providing compelling imagery and colorful characters without any real story to go along with them.

Among Gaiman's other work, I remember liking "Mr. Punch" for its effective use of puppet theater.

There's also the delightful film "Coralina," where Gaiman's story and great design resulted in something that Tim Burton never managed to achieve despite all his sub-par efforts.
rojimy1123 (612 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
I prefer the books for the same reason I preferred The Killing Joke to its animated counterpart. There are so many great images in the book that remain fixed in the mind because of the emotions and thoughts they bring, which are different for every reader. Once you add motion to those images, it becomes less how an individual experiences and more about how the filmmakers interpret them. Worthy efforts, the movies, but the heart got lost in translation.
Puddle (500 D)
14 Jun 17 UTC
@Zmaj, how far into Sandman did you get?

I assume you were accessing the compilation. While I fondly remember reading Preludes and Nocturnes, it has a very different vibe (and connection to the DC universe) than do the rest of the series.

There actually is a broad, overarching story to the Sandman series, but it doesn't really begin to take form until like a third of the way in, but by the last two compilations is speeding right along to a fantastic end.

It definitely is structured overall though as a bunch of largely independent short stories tied together mostly via some connection to the Dream or one of the other Endless.

At this point when I'm re-reading Sandman, I just grab one of the compilations at random and open to a random story and start from there. It's pretty great to be able to do so knowing that I'll reliably find a good quality story, which I can consume in a small chunk of time.
zurn (178 D)
15 Jun 17 UTC
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The movie is a good re-enactment of the comic, but was only ok for me. I enjoyed the comic more, if only because I didn't know the story yet. The Rorschach chapter was the most memorable. I didn't like the pirate allegorical story-within-a-story in either version (extended version of the movie).

I think my favourite part of Sandman was near the end when they're telling tales in a bar, waiting for the storm to pass; it helps that it was very beautifully illustrated for that stretch.

lol @ saturday morning watchmen


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slypups (1639 D)
14 Jun 17 UTC
The Last Known World Game
I just finished up the second to last Known World game, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187834, on 36 hour phases, which we probably played a few years further than we might have for that honor. This leaves one 10-day phase game in a still relatively early state, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187877
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brainbomb (474 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Puerto Rico - 51st US STATE?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/puerto-rico-question-answers-statehood-trnd/index.html
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13 Jun 17 UTC
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Scrub (241 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
Poop
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Jun 17 UTC
Medical marjuana and crime
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full

Study found reduced crime rates in counties near the mexican border.
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thatwasawkward (4384 D (B))
12 Jun 17 UTC
Conspiracy
Anybody tried "Conspiracy" on Android? Looks like a pretty decent mobile implementation of Dip.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.badfrog.conspiracy.app
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
The Right Wing Media is Politically Correct
https://www.cjr.org/criticism/political-correctness-journalism.php

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VashtaNeurotic (644 D)
28 Apr 17 UTC
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Official Greatest Movie Tournament Thread
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diplomat61 (599 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Conditions for going CD
I am in a game gameID=[199096] that has just reached Spring 6. Someone has taken over Greece after it went into CD (so far, so good) but what I don't understand is that there were no missed orders. I thought there had to be a couple of periods NMR before CD.

Can anyone explain what has happened?
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brainbomb (474 D)
31 May 17 UTC
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Anything goes
This thread is to discuss anything other than mafia, survivor, or webdips greatest movie tourney decided by 12 people. Euthanasia, Infanticide, the Mormon Trail, Mitt Romney, Jared Kushner, MacroEconomics, Satan, Whether the Japanese killed people more angrily than Nazi's, whether homeless people can be helped, or even if global warming is a hoax by liberals to sell more dr pepper.
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Lewis (108 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Multiaccounting
xy4 has a multiaccount. His other account is Vladimir Putin, let's get him banned.
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Lewis (108 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Multiaccounting
xy4 is multiaccounting. His other account is Vladimir Putin, let's get him banned. If you know others that are multiaccounting report them.
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cb6000 (13 D (S))
11 Jun 17 UTC
Fleets only 3
Restart for existing players. P.w. boats3
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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
08 Jun 17 UTC
*eggplant emoji*
gameID=200276
1.5 day phase
anon
FP / SoS
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brainbomb (474 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
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Russia linked to removal of PPSC from webdip
According to testimony by Coomey, the Rushians may have influenced the mod things into getting rid of PPSC da best scoring system webdip ever had. Mod team has yet to respond but they have appointed Valis as special ambassador to the kremlin for webdip affairs. Expect back rubs and sandwiches.
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leon1122 (211 D)
08 Jun 17 UTC
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Comey Testimony Discussion Thread
Discuss.
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d-rock (650 D)
07 Jun 17 UTC
What's wrong with America (Empire4 that is)
California is just as inferior as Cuba.
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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
07 Jun 17 UTC
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Kansas Ends Dumb Libertarian Tax Experiment
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/7/15753510/kansas-brownback-tax-reform
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Ghostrating
Is game included in players Ghostrating if there is a CD in it?
What about the NMR?
I remember that there was some rule about the autumn04, but Im not sure.
Thanks!
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Ezio (1073 D)
08 Jun 17 UTC
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good nations to be taken over
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=200244
This game has multiple nations in fine position if anyone wants to take over for a CD.
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
06 Jun 17 UTC
A rogue state on the international stage
m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59318952e4b02478cb9aed6e?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

There she goes again...
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CommanderByron (619 D Mod (S))
07 Jun 17 UTC
Idea. For admins
Okay so we often get those people trying to sell passports. It should be the official policy that when mods lock those threads they link the donation page for the site before doing so.
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07 Jun 17 UTC
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WyattS14 (100 D)
05 Jun 17 UTC
Using Scrubs idea for a game...
Let's make a classic game where only fleet builds are allowed!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=200065
Password is boats
Full press game
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Mblock (100 D)
06 Jun 17 UTC
Play Diplo
Game starting tomorrow, looking for players. 10 hour turns. Link below

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=200152
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Mblock (100 D)
06 Jun 17 UTC
PLAY DIPLO NOW
New game starting in 5 min, at 4pm. Looking for a few to join for a quick fun game.

Name is "PLAY DIPLIO NOW", link here http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=200151
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brainbomb (474 D)
03 Jun 17 UTC
Never give up
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=197304
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Volmort (90 D)
06 Jun 17 UTC
Queston about movement on coasts
Is movement like this possible:
Gulf of Lyon -> Spain -> portugal
And my seond question if Convoy see unit is attacked, is convoy still successful or convoyed unit just dont move?
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
31 May 17 UTC
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Criticism of Capitalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMdIgGOYKhs

While i'm not entirely sure i'm a marxist, because i'm not entirely sure people should be paid 100% of what they produce (other people offer synergies to increase the value of what you produce) - i am onboard with the criticism that wealthy people have too much power in the system.
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