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Jacob63831 (293 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
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I propose we ban the forum
If we stop it completely we don't need to worry about it anymore
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Ogion (5176 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
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I propose that we ban all cans on the forum
why? Because someone had to
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BurntAlmond (100 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Modern
gameID=200739
We just need three more for modern SoS!!!
Come join!
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
19 Jun 17 UTC
What are the odds?
https://gizmodo.com/gop-data-firm-accidentally-leaks-personal-details-of-ne-1796211612

GOP agent responsible for leak of 198 million voters' data. What are the odds that no one like Roger Stone contacted the Russians about where to find the leak?
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kaner406 (366 D)
28 Mar 17 UTC
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Advertise your NON-live games here!
In an effort to combat advertising for games inside otherwise unrelated threads: Post here for your non-live games to cut down on the number of ads that thread readers are subjected to. Post game link, game type and the bet. Note: this doesn't count for special rules games.
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Freido28 (100 D)
19 Jun 17 UTC
Minimum players in classic game
Hi all, my first time creating a game on my own. Is there a way to set the game to only 4 or 5 players for a private game? I didn't see any option and it shows "game will start when all 7 players have joined" now. Thanks for any help!!
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Jacob63831 (293 D)
15 Jun 17 UTC
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Best WWE clip ever!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jkghtyxZ6rc

Opinion? ;)
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brainbomb (442 D)
17 Jun 17 UTC
Why are we?
Hello guys... Nearly all of us are alive. Why are we?
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CommanderByron (649 D (S))
12 Jun 17 UTC
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Cheating accusation!
See inside for details.
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Spitnaz (326 D)
17 Jun 17 UTC
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Chat history
I really want to review all the messages I sent to someone, but the history logs appear limited. Are they just gone, or is there any way to see the full message logs with a player from a game?
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Javatiger (1157 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
Question concerning game rules (pms)
Hi there! I need a public and official reply by a MODERATOR.
If you play a match without anonymous players, but even without private chat (only team chat): Is it allowed to write the other players private messages in order to negotiate? In my opinion everbody see the names of the other players and everybody can write to the other players, so it is a fair system. It is a very important part of this game to negotiate, you know.
How are the official rules?
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Wobblyau (894 D)
18 Jun 17 UTC
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New player question
Hi, I looked through the rules but couldn't find it anywhere.
Simple question, can a fleet move from Sevastopol to Moscow?
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jamesturner9000 (100 D)
17 Jun 17 UTC
FtF London Diplomacy!
*** LONDON DIPLOMACY TRAINING & GAMING SESSION HELD ON SUNDAY 25 JUNE 2017 (DETAILS BELOW – ALL WELCOME!!) ***
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
16 Jun 17 UTC
Why did Pence just hire a CRIMINAL defense attorney?
Who's gonna be the fall guy? Not Pence. He's got the best lawyer.
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Commander Thomas (604 D)
16 Jun 17 UTC
WebDiplomacy Website Buy-In/Ownership
Just a question that I have, not too sure if anyone can answer them. I have been pondering how people own the site. I know that you can become part of the Moderator/Admin Team or donate to the site, but how would someone go about purchasing the Web Diplomacy site?
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brainbomb (442 D)
16 Jun 17 UTC
Should I get a haircut?
I am considering cutting my hair. I am starting to get my summer curls again.
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ckroberts (3318 D)
05 Jun 17 UTC
new game(s)
Hello! I am looking to start two new games.
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Hauta (1598 D (S))
14 Jun 17 UTC
Should Capitol Police protection be extended to all members of Congress?
At the Scalise incident this morning, the Capitol police were present only because Scalise was there. Without them, the shooter would have had a clear field until Alexandria police arrived. Shouldn't the Capitol Police protect EVERY large gathering of Congressmen?
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Zmaj (215 D (B))
07 Jun 17 UTC
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Texting for suicide
While I'm waiting for bo_sox to explain his inane threats, I'd love to hear what you think about this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40181522

Freedom of speech or involuntary manslaughter?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
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https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/27/executive-order-protecting-nation-foreign-terrorist-entry-united-states

read the damn order you absolute liar. it never even says the words "Christian" "Muslim" or "Islam" ONCE
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
or... was that Jefferson?

Our western allies haven't done anything serious to piss us off other than not meet some obligations with respect to military spending and NATO. Not the worst sin in the world.

Trump doesn't really understand what he is doing but I bet Bannon is behind this potentially disastrous attempt at a reversal of alliances. Yes, we should only have national interests, but he is taking a huge risk for little gain. Why bluff when you have the nuts?

Hell, even North Korea can legitimately call us out on the Paris accords. So many unforced errors, it's painful to watch.

I heard a bit of his speech demonizing Qatar today and fawning over the Saudis who are by far worse purveyors of terrorism. So pathetic. He just doesn't get it.
Zmaj (215 D (B))
09 Jun 17 UTC
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"read the damn order you absolute liar. it never even says the words "Christian" "Muslim" or "Islam" ONCE"

It's kind of sad really, but then the stories get shared quickly among those who want to believe them and so it goes.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
Ok, the *draft* order called out Christians. That shows his actual intent with future EOs.

Still waiting on Trump to figure out (120 days since) what is going on with this Muslim thing. Seems like his rhetoric was overblown.
Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
So, was Trump lying?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-approves-extreme-vetting-of-refugees-promises-priority-for-christians/2017/01/27/007021a2-e4c7-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html?utm_term=.e223f6d7bd19
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
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@JK

context is important, Trump responded to the question

"Trump was asked whether he would prioritize persecuted Christians in the Middle East for admission as refugees, and he replied, “Yes.”"

They didn't say prioritize it OVER persecuted Muslims, we was simply asked, if he would prioritize persecuted christians

your OWN article says

"“They’ve been horribly treated,” he said. “Do you know if you were a Christian in Syria it was impossible, at least very tough, to get into the United States? If you were a Muslim you could come in, but if you were a Christian it was almost impossible. And the reason that was so unfair — everybody was persecuted, in all fairness — but they were chopping off the heads of everybody, but more so the Christians. And I thought it was very, very unfair."

This is Trump wanting fairness. he believed (Whether or not it's true) that the Christians were being held up under Obama, and he will work for fairness.


The narrative that this is an attack against Muslim people takes at least silver medal in mental gymnastics


and to your claim that "Ok, the *draft* order called out Christians. That shows his actual intent with future EOs."

nope. he said that he wanted to ban Muslims once on the campaign trail, and his people tried to emulate what they believed his policy prescriptions were from the campaign. there's actually a funny john oliver skit addressing how problematic that was for them to do... but at the end of the day there has been no official draft that ran across Trump's desk that prioritized Christians OVER Muslims.
JamesYanik (548 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
@JK

and i've already addressed the Paris accords in an earlier thread. We've got our lowest Carbon emissions since 1991 currently, and green technology is surging onto the free market. the oligopoly fossil fuel got on energy was because of leftist anti-science fear mongering around Nuclear technology, that had a regressive effect and stunted our scientific progression as a nation.

If we want to solve climate change, we need to hold China to the sword.

Implementing MODERN nuclear (a key point of context, as most green sites claim that nuclear is less efficient than alternatives, which is only true for hydroelectric, because they cherry pick OLD reactors) not only provides us with no more carbon costs than alternative energies (except offshore wind) it actually could LOWER energy equilibrium price.

meanwhile people are whining about Nuclear saying it is evil (for some reason) and Germany's phasing out of nuclear, actually eld to some slight carbon emission increases in 2015. nice.

plus, India is demanding 2.5 trillion dollars from more advanced nations to implement green energy.

the Paris accords aren't effective, and they promote bad economics. we need some thing solid that will hold China and India up to global standards, and we need to allow for Nuclear to progress.


sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life-cycle_greenhouse-gas_emissions_of_energy_sources#2014_IPCC.2C_Global_warming_potential_of_selected_electricity_sources

https://www.oecd-nea.org/nea-news/2011/29-2/nea-news-29-2-load-following-e.pdf

https://ec.europa.eu/energy/sites/ener/files/documents/ECOFYS%202014%20Subsidies%20and%20costs%20of%20EU%20energy_11_Nov.pdf

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/progress-u-s-carbon-emissions-decline/

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_Renewable_Infrastructure_Investment_Handbook.pdf

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/planetpolicy/2014/05/20/why-the-best-path-to-a-low-carbon-future-is-not-wind-or-solar-power/
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
09 Jun 17 UTC
"@Manwe
"I don't think you can convict her of any criminal wrongdoing though. She gave bad counsel in an impersonal setting, that's not illegal."
Encouraging someone to kill themselves is serious bullying, which should be illegal."

It can be serious bullying, that depends on the intent of the person though. Clearly, it does qualify as bullying in this case. I don't think bullying should be illegal though. There's this thing called asking someone to stop. If they continue to hound you, it turns into harassment, and that should be illegal. It doesn't appear the girl was harassing the young man from what I read, there was no indication he expressed a desire for her to stop communicating with him.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Jun 17 UTC
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@Manwe, having a captive audience doesn't make your harassment any less damaging - many examples of donestic violence appear like this; for whatever reason the abused partner feels like they can't leave, whether for their safety or the safety or their children. And they still deserve protection from harassment under the law.
MajorMitchell (990 D)
11 Jun 17 UTC
Well Jeff, that's what "Trumptruth" is...rather like "truthspeak" from George Orwell's 1984, a play based on this novel & referencing Trump is enjoying some popularity at present.
MajorMitchell (990 D)
11 Jun 17 UTC
And is it Trump driving this anti Islam/Muslim agenda, or his puppet master ?
orathaic (1009 D (B))
11 Jun 17 UTC
Trump is jumping onboard the anti-Muslim/Islamaphobia train and using it to advanve his own popularity.
MajorMitchell (990 D)
11 Jun 17 UTC
Under instructions from Steve Bannon ? He's the one driven by hatred of Islam and Muslims. He bought that agenda into Trump's campaign and now presidency. Look at the film he made about Reagan, this goes "way back" with Bannon
orathaic (1009 D (B))
13 Jun 17 UTC
@"1. clearly hers was a deliberate attempt to get this man to commit suicide, but if the precedent is set for this kind of behavior being illegal, then we're going to have a dilemma when arbitrating what truly is an attempt to push someone to suicide and what is not."

That is why we have judges and juries, and before that police investigators.

They will continue to do their best and make mistakes. This is inevitable.

Not trying to minimize the issue as you are entirely right, but it is already a consideration which we have systems to deal with.

@"2. i'm interested that you dismiss the notion of free will so easily. "

I've done so often on other threads. It is not that i completely dismiss the notion, i believe in a very materialistic world-view, without any mind-body duality. I don't need to say 'there is no such thing as free will' - i can say, "there is 'free will' but it doesn't work the way you* think it works"

As it happens it was watching some videos about this lately, the philosophy of libertarian free will forms a dichotomy with hard determinism. Which i think is deeply flawed (ie both positions are wrong in so far as they contradict each other).

Fundamentally, i think human brains are decision making machines, so of course we think we have 'choices' to make, because we do, we are the decision maker; but that doesn't stop us from being deterministic; you can take any algorithm what-so-ever and use it to make decisions (think of flow charts as algorithms - and then think of the neurons in the brain as a massive flow chart).

It is entirely possible to be fully deterministic AND have 'free' will. Except the 'freeness' of the will is slightly in question. As i believe you readily accept when it comes to children, the mentally ill, and similar. The question isn't 'when does a child become culpable for their actions' it is, 'how culpable is the most capable of adults, and what percentage of that ability does a less able person have?' - if no-one has some perfect ideal of 'freeness' then it is all down to relative ability.

*For certain values of you, taking very specific philosophical positions.

@"3. whenever there is a child, or person with a mental illness, rights become much more of a touchy issue. ownership of weapons and the ability to influence such a mind always are more protected by the government than with a normal healthy mind. whether this young man had a mental illness or not is pivotal to deciding whether or not we need society-wide reform, or simply more protection for the mentally ill."

I think i already touched on this.

A) It is hard to assess the ability or lack thereof in the first place; harder still when they are already dead.

B) We are social creatures, we create systems to influence each other, knowing they will have consequences and curtail our freedom. Be it law enforcement, property rights, religions trying to act as moral police. All of these are social systems created by social creatures.

We know that whatever 'freeness' the individual may have, it can be and should be controlled in some fashion. Because it allows us to build societies, and 'society' has decided it wants to exist and be powerful.

I am not saying this is right or good. Merely that it is.

C) I don't know about your point on society-wide reform. As our ability to influence others and be influenced by others changes (with technology, and other social changes, like the changes in religious involvement, or family involvement, various structural changes...) society always needs to re-assess and reform to some extent. I don't know what that should look like in this case, but i know i'm condemning bullying.

@"4. you are framing the issue of suicide as someone being hurt, which is not up to you to decide. as i already laid out, there are logical coherent reasons to commit suicide. driving someone to a logical coherent reason is not fundamentally illegal. the question society must phase is should we allow for illogical suicide? this boils down heavily to the will one is allowed to exercise over him or herself. if i decide right now with no logical bearing to take a gun and shoot myself-

***thought experiment, not an actual consideration guys ***@DO in background "damn"

-then should the government punish me if i do not successfully kill myself?"

Society does act to further it's own aims/power. Not going to say what it should or shouldn't do, because judging morality is just another mechanism for control invented by people and useful to society; so without saying 'should' - I will still try to answer by saying: I would like to live in a society which/where (IWLTLIASW)... In this case I would like to live in a society which protects people from bullying, which protects the right to die with dignity, and the right to live with dignity.

(In fact i live in a society where pregnant girls (14) can be locked away because they are suicidal - see http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/fury-young-irish-woman-sectioned-10610963 - NB 'sectioned' is the British/Irish equivalent of being committed - and i am not happy with this society)

In the case we were discussing, i think, IWLTLIASW: 'telling someone to kill themselves' is a crime. Most of these crimes will not be investigated, but when someone actually dies, those who are found to have been fucking jerks can be punished.

Still, i am against stupid laws which aren't applied most of the time, and which be comes a joke; so i'd prefer to see a better system, which would require immense social reform.

PS: sorry for taking so long to get back to you, i've been away from the laptop where i started writing this.
JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
well i suddenly just lost a lot of respect for Ireland... damn
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
@Manwe, having a captive audience doesn't make your harassment any less damaging - many examples of donestic violence appear like this; for whatever reason the abused partner feels like they can't leave, whether for their safety or the safety or their children. And they still deserve protection from harassment under the law.

I don't think I said what you think I said. At least, I can't understand how any of that relates to what I said.
orathaic (1009 D (B))
14 Jun 17 UTC
Ireland is a pro-life utopia, this is just the most recent incarnation.

Before, they used to send women who 'got in trouble' away to the nuns, never to be seen again, used as slave labour in laundreys, with big contracts from the irish military and public service.

They were forgotten, abused, and shunned. Now we seem to be replacing nuns with the more secular psychiatrists. Pity we're not treaing women with any more respect. Legally the only way to obtain an abortion is to have your life endangered, which means suicidal women are legally entitled to an abortion. But it is much safer to go quietly to england, where the NHS treats thousands of irish women each year (from both Northern Ireland and the Republic).

Ireland is a VERY conservative place.
Manwe Sulimo (630 D)
16 Jun 17 UTC
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She was found guilty.


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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
16 Jun 17 UTC
Mike Pence Lawyers Up
From the pinko, greeno, commies at Mother Jones.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/06/vice-president-pence-lawyers-up/
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
15 Jun 17 UTC
American healthcare?
Is this a scam?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/why-i-wont-get-a-psa-test-for-prostate-cancer/?wt.mc=SA_Twitter-Share
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Lamish (0 D X)
15 Jun 17 UTC
Cancelling a game
I've never cancelled a game before, but i'm wondering, if you cancel a game, will you get your starting coins back? Say you bid 10, will you get 10 back when you cancel? Also, what about if you take over a civil disorder?
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brainbomb (442 D)
15 Jun 17 UTC
Should Capital Letters be Protected for all members of webdip?
At the WebdIP this morning, the Capitol letters were present only because Hauta was there. Without them, the forum would have had a clear field until draconian mod police arrived. Shouldn't the Capitol Letters Protect EVERY large gathering of WEBDIPPIA
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ND (606 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
Otto Warmbier freed
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/13/north-korea-releases-jailed-us-student-otto-warmbier.html
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Hippopankake (80 D)
10 Jun 17 UTC
The watchmen
If any of you have ever seen the movie or read the graphic novel
Which do you prefer and why?
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slypups (1429 D)
14 Jun 17 UTC
The Last Known World Game
I just finished up the second to last Known World game, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187834, on 36 hour phases, which we probably played a few years further than we might have for that honor. This leaves one 10-day phase game in a still relatively early state, http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=187877
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brainbomb (442 D)
12 Jun 17 UTC
Puerto Rico - 51st US STATE?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/12/politics/puerto-rico-question-answers-statehood-trnd/index.html
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Novelties17 (0 D X)
13 Jun 17 UTC
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Scrub (241 D)
13 Jun 17 UTC
Poop
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orathaic (1009 D (B))
12 Jun 17 UTC
Medical marjuana and crime
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/ecoj.12521/full

Study found reduced crime rates in counties near the mexican border.
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