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Benjamin Franklin (712 D (G))
15 Apr 17 UTC
Can chicago fleet build go south down the Mississippi?
I cant seem to get clarity on this from the variant descriptions. Info appreciated.
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jorgev2m (0 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Sinai to Petra Ancient Mediterranean
Hi guys, if u moved a fleet from Jerusalem to Sinai, can u move in the next turn from Sinai to Petra? Or u have to go from Sinai to Thebes, Thebes to the Red Sea and then Thebes Petra?
Thanks for ur help!
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Clownie (295 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Forging Alliances
I've noticed some of my behavioural patterns change as I've become more experienced with Diplomacy. More below.
Clownie (295 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
When I first started playing, I figured appeasement would be a good strategy. I'll use Leptis in the ancient Mediterranean map as an example. In my first game on that map, I was Egypt. I didn't want any hostilities with Carthage, so I offered him Leptis in return for peace. Our relations were more or less fine for most of the game, but I got stuck in a hopeless conflict with Persia for the rest of the game, and ended up getting a survival on one SC (having been stabbed by Carthage) when Rome won.

Nowadays, I don't offer things for peace anymore. Not ever. Every single deal I cut benefits me directly; it may also benefit the one I'm making the deal to, but never moreso than it benefits me. If my partner is getting 3 SCs, I'm getting that many or more. Perhaps surprisingly, this seems to create stronger alliances than appeasement. I don't very often get stabbed once I've established neutrality or alliance (unlike in the example above, where I was eventually stabbed) with another power. Of course, 1901 stabs are very common, but after that, I find them pleasantly rare.

tl;dr I've noticed that being (politely) demanding makes you better friends than being nice in Diplomacy. If you've noticed some odd or counterintuitive social mechanisms in Diplomacy yourself, I'd like to hear about it.
steephie22 (182 D (S))
14 Apr 17 UTC
That's not odd or counterintuitive at all. If you bargain for an inferior position, you'll typically get what you bargained for.
Have you had real life negotiations where this is different?
dargorygel (541 D Mod (G))
14 Apr 17 UTC
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I have experienced things that generally might be considered 'odd.' But that in actuality are True. For instance, people in Diplomacy (and in life) lie to obtain an immediate benefit... such as 'getting out of trouble.' And short term, it is often successful. But long term, honesty really is the best policy. In Diplomacy and in life. Of course, it gets complicated when people define 'honesty' differently...
Mercy (2085 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
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Clownie, in the game you were talking about, Carthage won.

I think the reason why appeasement is generally a bad idea is because it often results in the player you try to appease to be in a strong position to stab you; and you don't want any other power in a strong position to stab you. This may explain the counterintuitive idea that trying to appease a person can increase the chances of him attacking you in the future.

That said, there are situations in which appeasement is a good idea - namely situations in which you can afford to give a supply center, but in which it is very important that other players will do what you want them to do. An example that I can think of would be in gameID=180969. In 2001, I (Brazil) offered to support USA into Colombia and I asked nothing specific in return. However, this helped me greatly diplomatically. It would have been very logical for the alliance of USA and Quebec to come after me shortly, but I managed to prevent that by framing myself as their 'third ally'. And when I later stabbed USA when his units were trying to attack people in other continents, he didn't see it coming from the guy that earlier gave him a supply center for free.

Another important aspect in appeasement, I think, is how you frame it. I don't think it is good to make it sound like a buy off deal, because then people will just think you are a bad dealmaker (and maybe become greedy and want to try what more they can get from you). If you however make it appear that you offer them a territory just because you like them and because you are a good guy, the other party is more likely to see you as a valuable ally.


Now about an other counterintuitive social mechanism that I have experienced. I am talking about world games here, since these are the only press games that I have played (here). When I am a small nation, I tend to be more honest and trustworthy than when I am dangerously big and can more easily handle wars with multiple people. That makes sense to me. But when I am big, people seem to be more prone to my suggestions than when I am small. When I am small, I am often wondering why people won't listen to my well-meant advice, and when I am big, I sometimes wonder how I manage to use other nations as puppets and why the other people don't realise I am solely using them for my own benefit.
Heh, you may just be playing with different types of players. If you open up in 1901 demanding things of me, you've immediately shown me that you're not someone I want to work with. I'll go for the guy who is appeasing me any day of the week as my ally of choice.
(That was at OP, not Mercy)
Carebear (100 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
In Diplomacy, where the game is to win (i.e.: solo), all alliances are forged. The fraudulent definition. ;)

That being said, I have successfully made arrangements in games (against top opponents) whereby I deflected their attack on me by offering something of mine in exchange for help into two somethings from a third-party. We both gained a SC and were happy with the result. If you offer something of value and request something of similar value that doesn't hurt them directly, they see the benefits of working with you.
JECE (1322 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
This may be before Clownie's time, but I've noticed that behavioral patterns change for the worse in WTA games over PPSC games. Maybe I'll write about it sometime . . .
CAPT Brad (40 D X)
14 Apr 17 UTC
SC WTA PPSC! WTF JECE!?!
JECE (1322 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
AFAIK CAPT ❤ PPSC! GLONASS FTW!?!
Durga (2658 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
❤❤❤ omg!! Red hearts!
A_Tin_Can (2249 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
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Forge (verb):

1. create (something) strong, enduring, or successful.

2. produce a fraudulent copy or imitation of (something)
JECE (1322 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
DemonOverlord: Interesting, they show up black to me as displayed on the webpage.
Red for me on mobile
Durga (2658 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Black on computer, red on mobile.
swordsman3003 (13772 D (G))
14 Apr 17 UTC
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There is a line you want to walk between being hostile and servile.

If your demands are too high, if you are too stern and uncompromising in your negotiations, the players you are talking to will just look elsewhere for allies. At the beginning of any diplomacy game, if I read that a player is too greedy, I try to form an alliance against this player.

On the other hand, if you appear to be appeasing for no discernible reason (a credible reason would be that you are in a bad position and have become desperate), others will not respect you. I usually conclude that such a player is too trusty and should be set up for a stab later, or I conclude this this player is full of crap and probably is trying to trick me right at the start.

Hostile: as England, threaten to make an all-out attack against whoever blocks you from taking Belgium.
Servile: as England, immediately offer to support France into Belgium so that he can have 3 builds.
Reasonable: as England, offer to Germany that you will support his army into Belgium in 1902 if he would support your army into Sweden the same year.
TheBritishGent (185 D)
15 Apr 17 UTC
I haven't noticed much of a difference in my behavioral patterns, but then again I had the necessary patterns for Diplomacy when I first joined. The only thing that changed is what I look for and how far I am willing to trust allies.


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Lion of Naples (100 D X)
15 Apr 17 UTC
Cheating in live games
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196087

Does anyone else think it's strange that Germany and Russia perfectly coordinated moves in a live game that was anonymous without any chat whatsoever? Also, I find it strange how Russia makes no moves in the end and allows Germany to completely take him over. I think we have a multi scandal on our hands people!
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chacho (100 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Legitimacy of the website
Hey all,

Was just wondering how legitimate this website is? I played Diplomacy back in the day, but never online. Wanted to know how rampant cheating or botting is. Seems like a lot of players play in multiple games together. Is it just a small community or are this an uncommon thing? Anyways, having fun so far! Reminds me of the good-ol-days. Thanks for the dialogue.
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14 Apr 17 UTC
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Benjamin Franklin (712 D (G))
14 Apr 17 UTC
Need 4 more for a family game - please join!
me and my 2 sons want to play each other - need 4 more for a classic game.
Please join - Password= 123
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196080
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Jamiet99uk (440 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
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I'm back.
Great shall be the rejoicing amongst my friends and followers, and even greater shall be the wailing and gnashing of teeth amongst my foes and detractors.
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mitomon (175 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
Double Game Interest Gauging Post
See Below.
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Thaneofwhiterun (1511 D)
14 Apr 17 UTC
Game Reboot?
I'm taking part in a WW1 reenactment game (gameID=195453) and we'd like to restart it. Is there any way for us to restart the current game? Otherwise would it be possible to have a new game with us all in the same country as the first game? The new game is here (gameID=196051)
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
13 Apr 17 UTC
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I am still here
I didn't get in a fight with anyone. No hard feelings. Please don't shoo me away.
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
14 Apr 17 UTC
Late Night Classic
One hour before it starts. I hope we can get a nice quick boat game going tonight! (7 minute phases)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=196026
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Trump Likes Bombs. A lot.
We just dropped a MOAB in Afghanistan... The largest non nuclear ordinance we have. This is in response to a green beret dying from small arms fire.

Trump likes his toys
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ghug (5046 D (B))
10 Mar 17 UTC
London Face To Face
Brits (and anyone else with flexibility to travel and overwhelming desire to meet their favorite mod) of webDip. Hellenic Riot, captainmeme, and I will be in London the weekend of April 8th/9th, and we'd like you to join us for an afternoon of light drinking and heavy emotional damage. If you're interested, please let us know.
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brainbomb (325 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
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Legitimacy of the webbed feet
Was just wondering how legitimate webbed feet is? I played Duck back in the day, but never online. Wanted to know how rampant webbed feet or quacking is. Seems like a lot of duck people play in multiple ponds together. Is it just a small community or are this an uncommon thing? Anyways, having fun so far! Reminds me of the good-ol-days. Thanks for the odd foot deformities
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
14 Apr 17 UTC
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Trump likes boobs. A lot.
The guy responsible for the Access Hollywood tape won a Pulitzer!
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trooper76 (100 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
Timer out of wack with PC?
Sorry that I couldn't seem to find this in FAQ/Help. I've had this issue on my laptop and now my PC, the game timer is not updating correctly it appears and either says 'Now' when there is still 2 minutes to go , or might say there's 2 minutes left when actually the phase is over. Any suggestions on how to fix this?
Cheers
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JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
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Juventus 3-0 Barcelona
Not sure I was going to make this thread, but I just want to revel in its glory. Sure PSG dropped a 4-0 lead, but for the Old Lady this is some sweet sweet revenge for 2014/15.
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Hauta (1618 D (S))
12 Apr 17 UTC
Is Bannon In or Out
With Trump's agenda sort of stuck on Capitol Hill. What are the benefits or detriments of keeping Bannon around?
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
13 Apr 17 UTC
I am also still here
Does that mean Brainbomb has to eat two shoes?
If he only eats one then what happens with the other one in the pair?
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Bananapeel (100 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Need players for open sum of squares world game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=195918
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awood (100 D)
13 Apr 17 UTC
Gunboat World games - looking to start a tournament
I want at least 17 players (with some alternates) to play 10+ games.


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kiminchicago2 (100 D)
11 Apr 17 UTC
Allan B. Calhamer's Original 1950's Diplomacy Prototype Maps on Ebay
Ends tonight!

https://www.tabletopgaming.co.uk/board-games/news/allan-b--calhamers-original-1950s-prototypes-of-diplomacy-are-up-for
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13 Apr 17 UTC
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
12 Apr 17 UTC
How does ranking work?
I just had my first big game win and found myself happily winning a hefty pot.
Since my points are well over 100, how does ranking work, and what tips do you WebDip pros have to keep it up?
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kiminchicago2 (100 D)
10 Apr 17 UTC
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1950's Diplomacy Prototype Maps from A. Calhamer's Estate on Ebay
Hello, we found these last month while setting up the estate sale at Mr. Calhamer's residence. These seem to not have been unrolled for over 50 years! http://www.ebay.com/itm/262922746919?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1558.l2649
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WyattS14 (100 D (B))
12 Apr 17 UTC
The Great Big Gatsbowski!
I'm in a classic game with three other friends and would like to invite anybody interested. Per usual, there's no meta gaming, it's anon for that purpose.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=195916
Password is thedude
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steephie22 (182 D (S))
10 Apr 17 UTC
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Feature Suggestion
Make it impossible for new guy who joined less than an hour ago to make 4 threads.
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brainbomb (325 D)
12 Apr 17 UTC
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Feature Suggestion
Make it impossible for a guy who joined more than 4 years ago to be France in a WT.
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12 Apr 17 UTC
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