You know you're accusing the second player now, right?

What can I say taos, you will be silenced for a week for this thread, I have complained to Kestas on your behalf and have e-mail correspondence from the mods saying there was no cheating....

MY EMAIL:

Hello,
I cannot stand by while yet another person is silenced inappropriately for wishing to discuss a game that has finished. Again your hammer strikes on the wrong side of the rulebook - punishing real players while allowing cheating players to reign and giving them precedence in your warped logic system. As such, I find it necessary to recommend new players to avoid dealings with you as your maniachal system of moderation will destroy their playing experience. I believe that it is your moderation, rather than my sardonic responses, that endanger the reputation of the site to new players. And besides an April Fool's joke, I have never claimed to represent the site; even in my message I recommended dealing with Kestas to the new player if he has an issue with the mod team.
I daresay you are making it almost sticky-worthy to recommend new players to be very careful what they say and who to as a run-in with yourself can result in harsh consequences far more than making a wrong move in a game or entering civil disorder. It is not the first time that a silence by yourself, unexplained, is accompanied by a witty egotistical response. I will not apologise.
Yours faithfully,
Bryan

JMO EMAIL:

Taus was silenced because he was accusing 2 people of cheating on the forum after reporting them to the moderator team and being told that they were innocent. The only reason I tell you that is so that you understand that you have no idea what you are talking about. Posting as "-The webdip advice bureau" made by myself and abge feel that your posts could be confusing to new members. And considering you are giving them terrible advise that would hinder them getting help, it's unacceptable. I don't need you to apologize, but you do need to understand that it won't be tolerated. You can talk to Kestas if you have an issue with any forum silence, you can also talk to abge.



As for this nonsense,

"Again your hammer strikes on the wrong side of the rulebook - punishing real players while allowing cheating players to reign and giving them precedence in your warped logic system. "




In my time as a mod I have handled 1,522 cases. Under 100 of them are forum related. That's the most anti-cheating cases of any mod ever. So just because you can't see something happening, doesn't mean you can assume it isn't.




The two points that I don't think you understand, which is why I wrote this email are:




1) Allowing Taus to slander 2 innocent players can very negatively affect their ability to get into games, and can put them in a situation where they are unfairly slandered by other players for something they are not guilty of. This is why Kestas implemented the rule that no cheating accusations are allow. Even sarcastically posted accusations like Taus are inappropriate because they allow people to draw the same wrong conclusions that you yourself are making about those two players.




2) Telling new members to avoid certain moderators just makes our job more difficult.




I appreciate your cooperation until you get the chance to discuss the matter with Kestas.




Thanks,

jmo

And finally : why aren't the damaged players in such a game compensated?
Not only for the lost points but for another defeat record.

Just shut up, Synapse...

http://webdiplomacy.net/profile.php?userID=55194 (banned for multi/meta)
I guess i was wrong,wasn't i?

ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Whose castle is that?

WOMAN: King of the who?

ARTHUR: The Britons.

WOMAN: Who are the Britons?

ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king.

WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.

DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. ..... A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--

WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again.

DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would--

ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle?

WOMAN: No one lives there.

ARTHUR: Then who is your lord?

WOMAN: We don't have a lord.

ARTHUR: What?

DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

ARTHUR: Yes.

DENNIS: But all the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting.

ARTHUR: Yes, I see.

DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,--

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more--

ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet!

WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is?

ARTHUR: I am your king!

WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you.

ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings.

WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then?

ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king!

DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.

ARTHUR: Be quiet!

DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you!

ARTHUR: Shut up!

DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bink had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away!

ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up!

DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system.

ARTHUR: Shut up!

DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! --- HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed!

Hi Taos,

What exactly is the problem here? You asked the mods to look into a case and they ended up banning the player. Shouldn't you be happy? Sorry it took longer than you wanted. Maybe you should have just been patient instead of breaking the rules yourself.

If you shoot someone who happens to be a murdered, you're still a murderer, too. That concept shouldn't be too hard to understand.

Substitute Dennis for Synapse and Arthur for Jmo.

Man thats a good movie.

Anyway, we aren't going to silence this, because it's a legitimateS question, even if you are being a dick about it.

For a variety of reasons, cases can take longer than you want. I don't handle cases, so I have no idea what happened here, but sometimes there isn't enough hard evidence to meet our high standards to ban someone, or maybe we were trying to tie them to a larger multi ring. I don't know.

You can always email the mods to request an update. If you don't like the verdict, you can always ask another mod to look at the case. Forming mobs on the forum against players, though, is very damaging to the community. I can explain why if it's not clear to you.

Let's go back 1 year where Philcore was silenced for a cheating accusation for accusing Landowner of being a multi and Landowner was then banned (after mods said he shouldn't jump to conclusions). Nothing changes....

But i feel justice haven't been done.
First i was silenced for no reason, i accepted the mods conclusion that this two players were inocent,congratulated the two player for a magnificent performance as i am now thanking the mods for their well done job.
I will also use the opportunity to salute the second player involved for his great achievement in such a short time in the site

SYnapse

I'll type slower for your benefit.

If
you
kill
a
murderer
you
are
still
a
murderer.

It doesn't matter that the accusation ended up being right. The rule isn't "no false accusations on the forum". The rule is "no accusations on the forum". Accurate or false accusations: neither are allowed. Again, I'm happy to discuss why that is, but your argument that there is mod abuse because people who make cheating accusations get silenced isn't going to get you anywhere.

Taos didn't make a cheating accusation.

Every time this crops up I am reminded that we have a self-moderation policy and I concede that for the benefit of all messages relating to ongoing anonymous or gunboat games should be removed but additional moderation to that I do not see a need or desire for.

"Taos didn't make a cheating accusation."

I think he did.

No, SYnapse, every time this crops up, you make a big show out of nothing. There is nothing here.

About the murderer issue :
I believe in eye for an eye and wil kill a murderer if i have the chance.
Cause a murderer is a danger to the community and will kill again.

Well if we're basing everything around opinions I'd say his opinion was obviously more informed in this ocassion than jmo's.

Obviously, we are more interested in fact. Who is actually a cheater. And whether a cheating accusation was made.

I admit there is implication, but you cannot read between the lines excessively either someone was accused of cheating or they were not. In this case, they were not.

Unless the rule is changed to: do not make cheating implications.

Your job is to follow the rules

Beside all what have been said it was a not cheating accusation expressed very well in the title,it was about a finished game and open for the other players involved to discuss.
I was silenced without any warning when all my intention was to discuss it with the involved players themselves.
I will remind the mods about rule number nine(my favorite): use common sense.
Common means common like in community, commonwealth, commonly, etc.
Not common thinking of a few like in this case are the mods,or to be specific one mod who was jmo who silenced me just to feed his own ego.

Different site, but I think this is the best example I have seen.
http://vdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=2139

In the Autumn of 1540 I had 2 units on Byzantiums (supply center) border, with no enemy units near by I could have taken the supply center and solo'd. This was actually the toughest decision I've ever faced in diplomacy, since it was a guaranteed solo vs a guaranteed draw.

You can tell which I chose based on the result of the game.

Too my knowledge I have never played with siemaskoIam before or since then, he was just a really good ally in that particular game and I thought he deserved to be part of the draw.

I'm not saying this to gloat or whatever because most of you probably think I'm an idiot for doing what I did. However the point of this is that some people would rather draw with an honourable ally then betray him for a cheap victory.

No, *my* job is to run the Forum.

mod·er·ate
[adj., n. mod-er-it, mod-rit; v. mod-uh-reyt]

adjective
1.
kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense: a moderate price.

2.
of medium quantity, extent, or amount: a moderate income.

3.
mediocre or fair: moderate talent.

4.
calm or mild, as of the weather.

Tell me how jmo moderates, I would describe it more as enforcement.

@taos

In the real world, feel free to kill as many suspected murderers as you like. On this site, though, you follow the rules.

Sorry, SY, I thought this was a Diplomacy website, not a Scrabble website.

It is a diplomacy website. The function of the moderators is to ensure that people can play diplomacy without for example forum discussions on ongoing games.

I really do not know where you derived this idea that you own the forum and can do with it what you please.

Watch it abge, you're a "cool mod" - don't ruin your prestigious place on Synapse's profile.

Bo, if you make another statement insinuating I may not be cool, I'm going to ban you.

"I really do not know where you derived this idea that you own the forum and can do with it what you please."

Kestas owns this Forum and He may do as He pleases. I am merely the hand guided by Him