The above scenario suggests that there are at least 4 players remaining in the game - 2 on your side and 2 or more on another side. If your alliance will lose, but if you can get the other player eliminated and improve your position, you might get a 3 way draw, or at worst choose which other player gets a solo victory by which player you ally with.

i could go for a 3 way draw, but i don't feel like drawing with those people.

then throw the game to the one you hate the least. It's fun AND legit. You can ALWAYS find a reason to keep playing - even if it is screwing the game up for everybody else.

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for example. Italy felt pushed around and made sure everybody else in that game didn't live to regret it. Maybe next time they'll listen when he tells them to back off.

The reason you play it out, is because you'd like for people to play with you again. Quitting is just bad manners. Why would I ever join a game with a player who I think will quit if they are losing?

But in any case, Flame is right. There are ALWAYS things you can do when you're losing. Don't think of it as your alliance against their alliance. It's about you and your pieces and what you can do to mix things up.

Stab your ally maybe. Or try to help one of the guys attacking you, while only defending against the other. It doesn't matter what you do. Just do something to change the dynamic of the game being "us" against "them".

@YJ I think you mean "maybe next time he'll tell people to back off." That's my only WTA survive, and I'm still very bitter.

@Bolshoi you can always turn things around; never give up. The losing position gives you the chance to get creative.

lol dammit ghug I'm trying to make a point here :P

Not being privy to your and Italy's private conversations, I could only assume that there was a lot of diplomacy going on there. I had forgotten that assumption may be quite a ways off the mark.

@Dys Claimer: unequal defense is an amazing tool and in my opinion isn't used often enough. I'm not gonna be the sucker who gets pinched between two aggressors. If you feel you can't win in a fair fight, then you have to utilize dirty tactics.

actually my problem with drawing is not just that i don't like my opponents, it's also that the whole rest of the game would be just slowly eliminating my former allies, with no challenge at all because it's obvious what the result will be. so how is that even a game anymore? it's certainly not very fun.

He stopped talking to me about 4 years before the end. The worst part was that the two of us had just gotten fed up with Russia and decided to draw with Italy instead. If you want a good example, in one of MadMarx's ABI games, somebody tried to throw the game when he took a solo shot and he had to settle for the 3-way.

Hehe, yeah thats right! I forgot all about that! He took Greece from you on the same turn that Russia pissed me off, and I figured honest FIT at worst for me, with the possibility of me soloing if I can screw you both at the very end.

Then the next I knew he was telling me he was throwing to me. Bonus.

The reason you play it out, is because you'd like for people to play with you again. Quitting is just bad manners. Why would I ever join a game with a player who I think will quit if they are losing?

But in any case, Flame is right. There are ALWAYS things you can do when you're losing. Don't think of it as your alliance against their alliance. It's about you and your pieces and what you can do to mix things up.

Stab your ally maybe. Or try to help one of the guys attacking you, while only defending against the other. It doesn't matter what you do. Just do something to change the dynamic of the game being "us" against "them".

huh...not sure why that double posted..sorry about that...

you refreshed the page.

The above scenario suggests that there are at least 4 players remaining in the game - 2 on your side and 2 or more on another side. If your alliance will lose, but if you can get the other player eliminated and improve your position, you might get a 3 way draw, or at worst choose which other player gets a solo victory by which player you ally with.

Note to self: Don't play with bolshoi.

I had left the page up when I went out for the evening, then I refreshed the page too in order to see the thread progression. I sure did not expect my post to get reposted. Can I delete it, or at least edit it?

Nope, but don't worry about it. It happens to all of us. Next time just click "Forum" at the top. It will keep your current thread open and just refresh without reposting.

anybody interested in a sweet takeover? although i'm not sure if i'm at left status yet, but check it out, it's awesome gameID=78813 - 3-way draw potential! unless i'm wiped out by the time my status goes to "left"

if there's any way to do a takeover without missing turns, i'll even throw in my other non-live game. where the position is just as boring. and it is progressing just as slowly. take advantage of these opportunities while they last

lol, boring because you're being slowly raped by France over the last 4 years. Finish what you started, tool.

oh no bolly

I thought you were only illiterate in science and maths.
Turns out you are illiterate in diplomacy etiquette too.
May I point you to playdiplomacy.com?

i am offering sweet deals here. take them while they last.

i don't know. actually i would have beaten france had germany not missed a turn, you'll just have to trust me on that one. but i have another game where i'm doing better that i will also happily give up if i can. the problem is i signed up for these non-live games back in the day... and now i see the error in my ways.

i don't understand why you're insulting me, gobbler. at least i know that math is singular. go back to england with that maths nonsense. and take your second-order infinity with you.

maths is definitely plural.
Everywhere in the world except US and Canada it is plural.
Maybe it is because maths in the US is less sophisticated (e.g. not understanding 0.999... =1) so they omit the 's'?

are you going to tell me maths are my best subjects in school? it's clearly a singular word, learn english.

no.
maths is not plural. your wording confused me at 3 am.
maths is the abbrevation of mathematics, which you must admit is a legit word whatever kind of English you use.

"Maybe it is because maths in the US is less sophisticated"
well if it were maths you should have wrote "are less sophisticated"

maths is maths.
Not all words ending in s are plural.
Lens is not a plural word, for example.

i don't know, mathematics is used as a singular word even though it has an 's' at the end of it. i guess it's an exception. but why perpetuate the weirdness by adding an 's' to the abbreviation as well?

no the problem is that to abbreviate, you take the first letters of a word, so you would abbreviate to math. there is no reason to take the first 4 letters plus the last letter and use it as an abbreviation. you only do that if the original word were plural.

because the long word has an s at the end?

so do you abbreviate chemistry chemy in england? would not surprise me to be honest.

Abbreviations aren't necessarily the first four letters. Management: Mana? Marketing: Mark? Diplomacy: Dipl?

Just give it up Gob, arguing with this kid is futile.

Anyway, even if he is correct about maths (which he isn't), there is always this....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Grammar%20Nazi&defid=4397458

I don't live in England by the way. I live in Australia, and come from Hong Kong as well. Throughout my entire life, maths was spelt maths.