When the trial period expired, I uninstalled the program....and if you are at all knowledgeable about such thing, "Uninstall" equals "I leave crap in the registry" so that you can't reinstall and do the full-product trial period again. IN COMES CCLEANER....

A wonderful FREE home-use program and, after you uninstall a program, will scrub the registry of any references....

...thus allowing you to RE-install the program....and use the program for free indefinitely!

Tell me....what...how have YOU stuck it to THE MAN....?????

Sorry jmo....my bad.

bump....

Where's your personal responsibility and respect for other peoples' hard work? Do you think software developers don't have mortgages and kids to feed? You're not sticking it to THE MAN, you're sticking it to some working stiff who sits in a cubicle and writes code all day.

Yeah. I agree with Tolstoy. I don't have much computer knowledge, but I have to say what you are doing seems unethical in my eyes.

I was going to say that CCleaner is awesome as it removes crap with barely any work needed, but...

I am using two products *100% LEGALLY*. i HAVE NOT VIOLATED ANY TERMS OF SERVICE on these products. How is that wrong?

If you get a coupon in the mail for X restaurant, do you use it, and deprive said restaurant of their true value? do you take advantage of discounts?

Well....I have found a loophole....It's not my fault...

I find your criticism to be of the UTMOST of hypocrisy. Especially since there is a HIGH probability that you support OWS....who HATES corporate profits....

So explain your protest, you foolish hypocrites!

"Well....I have found a loophole....It's not my fault"

Just because it is legal does not mean it is ethical. You are still not paying for other peoples work....

"Especially since there is a HIGH probability that you support OWS....who HATES corporate profits...."

Ummm. What? You don't know anything about me. I lean to the right and don't like OWS. So don't put words in my mouth. I don't understand why you have that assumption.

@Tom...I assume dyou support OWS because most of the assholes here do. And the original post is intended to provoke them...

That being said....Puhhhhhh-lease! DO YOU or DO YOU NOT take every tax advantage you can? DO YOU or DO YOU NOT use coupons?

Telling me that using a loop-hole int he software process to gain a personal advantage is wrong is just ...welll...WRONG. That these two companies release software that lets me have something more than the individually intended is not my fault...it is my benefit.

If I were selling the software that I WANTED....I would not release a free full-functional trial version that is perfectly easy to reset with CCleaner. Too bad for them.

Please...DO NOT TELL ME for one second that if you found a loop-hole that let you get a free gallon of milk from the store every week you wouldn't do it???

Fucking hypocrite....

Tax advantages and coupons are not the same things as a loophole. Coupons are a marketing strategy to get the companies MORE money. Not to have their products given away for free which is what you are doing.

I am not a hypocrite. Again, you make assumptions about me. I could easily download music or torrent games illegally, but I choose not to because I find that unethical. I wouldn't want people using my products without compensating me.

uMMMM...EXCUSE ME...but they are THE EXACT same thing as loopholes. If the company didn't want you to uninstall and reinstall the software to reset it, then it would state as much in the EULA.

You ARE a hypocrite. I'm *sure8 that you will take *any* advantage in the world...or else you are a fool. The idea that software can be "reset" in a system indicates that....for god's sake....they KNOW it can be done.

What YOU fail to see id MARKETING...

RIGHT NOW... I am telling you that Mezzmo Server is GOOD SOFTWARE....and soem of you...MIGHT buy it....If *2* of you buy it becuase I mentioned it...then MY gaining it for free...for the low, low price of ***cleaning my registry....which everyone ought to do!!!**** is a low price indeed.


You, Tom, are just a narrow minded fool, in so, so, so many ways. You don't even gras the concept of free capitalism that you pretend to support, and you don't grasp the concept of value marketing, in which you give away something for free to a few select, in order to capture the sales of the lazy and stupid....

Why DO you hate the capitalist market, Tom? Becuase what you apparently FAIL to grasp is that Mezzmo ****understands**** that their "trial software" will be "stolen" (YOUR concept)...and willingly allow it (or else CCleaner would be sued and off the market by now..)....

Please tell me how it is unethical and illegal to remove all the remnants of a useless piece of "trial" software from my computer?

When your cat shits in the cat box, do you remove ALL of the shit....or do you leave some forever, just as a reminder?

Well...when I "remove" software from my system, I expect "remove" to mean "100% gone"...and the ONLY way to truly "remove" something on your computer is to run secondary programs, that exercise my LEGAL RIGHTS....such as CCleaner.

Now...if someone doesn't want me to download and re-install another copy of their program....then they would put barriers in the way....such as credit card info, etc. That they DO NOT require ANY IFO to see if I am repeating a download means that they OBVIOUSLY do not TRULY intend to enforce their claim on their software, because it is so easy to stop....

Thus they encourage it.

Thus YOU are a fool....

Tom is too lame...too stupid...to come up with a reply, apparently. sad....

I agree with Krellin on this one.

Trials should be limited in functionality, not length of use. If the trial does everything you need it to, great. If not, buy the product.

Installing hidden data on your computer is not an appropriate way to prevent people from overusing your trial.

Just been busy. Your reply will come krellin. I don't see why you feel the need to insult.

Trials can also contain ads.

There are plenty of legit ways to make sure the devs are compensated (which I support).

You don't see my need to insult? Did you not insult me by suggesting I am unethical? Puh-lease.....let's not do the morality play here, Tom...

YOU are the one that made COMPLETELY FALSE ANALOGIES! Downloading music and moves, etc, has **ZERO** equivalency to downloading a fully functional demo which...WITHOUT INFORMING YOU...install permanent data on your computer.

That you are incapable of seeing this *very* simple truth tells me that you are just yet another corporate lapdog...

+ 1 Abge...twice over!

@krellin:

Again, I'll pretend you don't insult me like a child would and will respond as if you addressed me as a normal human being. I understand you claim that Mezzmo realizes that their software will be stolen, and if this is true, then more power to them.

You are correct, that I don't know much about software, but I will still not reinstall a product that I did not pay for. Maybe I am a fool, but if we all did what you did, then the producer of this product you are getting for free will not see any profits.

@abge: Maybe you can shed more light on this without insulting me. I understand and agree with you idea that trials should be limited in functionarlity not length of use, but you find it ok to download something you did not pay for?

@Tom

Trials are a legit way to advertise your product. Obviously, there needs to be something "wrong" with the trial or no one would buy the product. There are a lot of acceptable ways to cripple a product, so people will know it's good but still be forced to buy the full version:

-Limit Functionality
-Have it contain ads
-Only allow so many operations per instance of the program
-Place a watermark on the final product

In my mind, all of these are fine.

In and of itself, limiting the length of the trial period isn't bad. The problem is, there's only one way to practically do that:

Install hidden, unwelcome data on my machine.

That is completely unacceptable and if that's the companies practice, I have no problem not only not buying their product, but also continuing to use their trial using loopholes.

Does that make more sense?

Thanks abge. So you use the loopholes to "get back" at them for installing unwelcome data on your computer without making you aware. I gotcha then.

Makes more sense. I understand your position now. Also, Krellin I said that it "seemed unethical". I did not personally attack as you have me. Grow up.

Tom...you are a jackass. First you tell me you don't understand what I am saying...and then you agree with Abge. Either you are a moron...or a liar.

Abge stated....if a company wants to issue TRIAL software, you LIMIT the functionalirty. Tommy boy...are you smart enough to understand what "limit functionality" means? Or are you going to pretend to be a complete fucking dumbass?

You whole "wahhh...cry cry cry....please dont' insult me" ritual falls upon deaf and uncaring ears.

Waht the fuck is so hard to understand about the idea that "trial software" is either functional and honest...or deceptive? If they install somthing on my computer that they do not inform me about....and I remove it...how am **I** the bad guy? If I reinstall the trial....because mayne it WAS good...and I want to test it again...how am I the bad guy?

The only deception here is software companies that DO NOT INFORM YOU of their activities.

Tommy boy...next time you go out to eat...how about if I copy down your driver's licence number and credit card number and save it in my back pocket afteryou leave? That's ok, isn't it?

You are an idiot on so many accounts. First, your PRETEND ignorance of software trial practices is totally bogus...gie me a fuckig break. Second, yout PRETEND outrage that some people know how to KEEP THEIR COMPUTERS CLEAN OF SPYWARE....and then find out that "trial" software is functional again...is the HEIGHT of hypocrisy.

****I**** violated NO LAW when I discovered that RECOMMENDED PRACTICES (i.e. keep my cpmputer clean!!) would allow this trial software to run again.

You are the insulting asshole in this picture....because you think that *I* should willingly bend over and let private businesses install software on my computer **without my knowldge** that will track my activity...and you KNOW this to be truie because you pretend to not understand this relationship.


Hey...how about this, bitch.c..every time you pump gas, they also pump GPS tracking devices into your car so the government....who IS responsible for upkeep of the roads....can track your movements, and determine whether or nto they are necessary and for the good of society. THAT is an equivalent idea to companies secretly installing software on my computer.

Also...At tom...NO NEED A TO PRETEND THAT I DIDNT' INSULT YOU....because I DID. And my insult was precise, it was targeted...and, thankfully, you acknowledged it, meaning that I hit my target...dick.

@krellin: It was not clear to me in your post that you were using this loophole because they had installed unwanted files on my computer. In your post I only thought it was files to make you not able to install the trial again (which seemed innocent to me) After abgemacht posted that was clear to me that this was not the case.

Also, fuck you. Go get anger management or continue to drink your problems away and abuse people on the internet because you can feel like a tough guy because its anonymous and people can't beat the shit out of you for it.

LOL, Tom, whenever you make the mistake of taking Krellin seriously, just read this thread: it'll remind you how much of an idiot you are dealing with.

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That being said... CC cleaner IS awesome, and I actually really like Krellin's argument that unwanted additions to your registry can be considered spyware. So I'm +1ing him :)

The best way to uninstall anything: Revo Uninstaller.
Get it, pirate it, whatever. You'll never ever let a computer be without it.
CCcleaner is awesome, I use it too, but Revo is just amazing.

"By the way, the idea of "peer review" in climate circles is you can offer comments if you have the pre-belief that the "data" being presented in correct."

-Krellin, removing the last vestiges of credibility from his argument.