Is it similar to Albania or Naf? Useful only when everything else has been taken?

Yeah, the World War 4 variant is much better....so many supply centers to capture and it is much better balanced....

The Philippines are islands, so I suppose there's a stalemate line with fleets or something, but it still strikes me as strange.

Also America looks unrealistically weak. Canada looks like it can take "Union" on the first turn. Call me crazy, but I think a game like this should at least be balanced if not realistic. How can Chile-Argentina-whatever be stronger than America initially?

This being said, I think it'll be a fun game. I don't think I'll be switching to world map games, though.

Who developed this world map? Kudos to them for putting in their work, but I would suggest it does need further development.

Also, why is there a Power in Antarctica?

agreed. Antratica as a power???

And Quebec too?

Really.....

yeah Europe is in a tough spot. so is "Pacific Russia" which is such a silly name. but hey, so is Austria-Hungary in the classic board! gotta make up for what is missing tactically with your excellent diplomatic skills, jbalcorn ;D

Yeah the maps unbalanced and a little unrealistic but think about it how many builds does Italy usually get? One. While all the others can get at least two. Sometimes it's different with Italy getting two or Austria getting three in the same way that when I played USA I got three and I was the strongest power in the game. It is unbalanced but so is the "Vanilla" map if you think about it.


Antratica is a stupid power though.

i think the kingdom of penguins is a great power, that should not be messed with!

Hi guys, new to webDiplomacy - I know goonDip had variants until it closed down, but how do you access the variants like the World map you mention before here? (played this variant on goonDip and I agree, Antartica is a stupid power. Totally illogical!)

Psh! Everyone knows Antarctica represents the Shoggoths...

Antarctica is the best power on the whole map. maybe you all just to stupid to realize it. I completely agree with what djbent said if you couldn't figure that out

@djbent: with the difference that Austria-Hungary is historically correct ;)

ah, historty schmistory! ;D

Having been both Europe (in a goondip game) and Pacific-Russia (here), I must say that the latter is the absolute worst country on the map. You have *zero* guaranteed centers, and you're surrounded on both sides by two of the most powerful countries on the map (Russia and China), neither of whom have any incentive to let you live.

@djbent it's gunboat. There go my diplomatic skills.

@Tolstoy - thanks for the pep talk!!! LOL

@jbalcorn - alright then, you're screwed ;P

Antarctica is the easiest power on the map.... what's bad out it?

Ambassador - you need to have over 100 . This then gives you the 'advanced options' when you are creating a new game. The advanced options include this variant map.

you can still join world map games, you just can't create them.

I am playing as antartica and I agree that It is a good country to play as, especially with the right allies.

I disagree, I think antarctica should start with an army of some kind.

just make the first build an army and your fine

But you have no guaranteed builds. I think the map creator really set it up for Australia and Antarctica to fight.

you have one guaranteed build syo

So far, from the games I have seen/played, one country has the hardest starting position (the new Austria-Hungary), and that is Pacific Russia.

I believe it has no guaranteed build in the first year. That sucks but, as said above, the classic game is not balanced either and these differences show up in the early diplomacy.

We have solved the problem in one game by adjusting the code and allocating Pacific-Russia to women players only. Great move really, they can talk all they like but get nowhere in the end... ; )

And, if anyone wants to try themselves in a real Dip-feast, please join us: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=19054

Women. Er, ladies, are especially welcome.

I concur with flashman's evaluation of Pacific Russia. It is also very vulnerable to convoy attacks via the artic circle (particularly if combined with other northern fleets) and suffers badly from having its home centres strung out in a line rather than being bunched together - making it that much harder for its units to support each other.

I had a whole list of how the map can be improved on goondip. Sadly I can't access said list anymore :/ I do remember asking for Austria-Hungary being a neutral SC.
I'm currently working on my third (feh) world map game that will outclass this map at least...

flash, you gave me a good laugh with that one!

I'm South Africa right now and man, talk about enemies. Ghana, Argentina, Antarctica, and Kenya are all on my borders, going for SCs. : ( And it's 2001!

dj, what do I have to do to get you to join?