While every province has its uses in certain scenarios, Syria is by far the least used. The next would have to be Helgioland Bight...

Hi actinphishy,
I guess that goes back to the question of what makes a province important.
You could argue that if a province is needed for a certain strategy to work, the province influences strategy choice and is hence important.

As for Syria: Austria and Turkey are aware that Italy has the *option* of playing a Lepanto giving Italy/Austria an effective method to defend against a Juggernaught.
Also Syria can be vital for a Russia trying to break into a Turkey that has armies in ANK and SMY.

Almost all strategies involving IRI on the other hand could instead use a different province and would still work. Sometimes you would need an additional turn but that's about it...

I don't agree with IRI being irrelevant. French fleets practically always need it to get close to Liv. While NAO could be used that seperates that fleet from the channel one. Since three french fleets are the ideal for an attack on England, ENG IRI and NAO are all important.

yes but in contrast, the an army (or fleet) besides turkey's in syria has a serious influence on how the game will turn out. so while empty syria affects the game far less than IRI, an enemy having a unit in SYR is much more serious than in IRI. so maybe i'm re-thinking my position on syria, and am thinking clyde. or maybe gulf of bothnia.

with that in mind, i would like to make a motion that debate continue before the vote is called.

I don't know. Iri and Syr have roughly the same purpose (On opposite sides of the world).
If they're empty, you hardly even think about them. But if an enemy occupies them, then you have something to worry about.

a good point, but i disagree. having an enemy in syria always is serious business for turkey. having an enemy in irish sea is not always that big a deal for england. especially since i think it's a lot more common.

The Irish Sea is so useful because it's easy for France to sneak in there to attack England. Yes, they could go to NAO instead, but the Irish Sea has the all important influence over the English Channel, which means it can support a newly built fleet there, and support a convoy to Wales. NAO is a neat alternative territory, but it doesn't offer the same support situations.