did you refresh?

It's not like submarines "talk" to each other under water. These boats and crews are designed and trained o operate independently with a set of orders and only re-surface from time to time to get updates. The two boats would not have been in radio contact (especially if playing a cat and mouse game).

It is difficult to detect a boat with sonar if there is a lot of background noise and the boat has anti-sonar measures.

You could "ping" the other boat- but that would instantly give away your location as well.

i agree woth Otto, im sure it was most likelyan ego driven cat and mouse game that went belly up. not that the official report will say that but.

the french "allies" with the UK? well only in a sense that the UK and France have enemies in common are they "allies" . They have been rivals for a long long time. I also wouldnt put too much trust in the Britsh nuclear safety record., (power stations not the military i mean) Like most large former public industries that get privatised corners have been cut,budgets slashed and new investment stopped. money has been spent on marketing and shareholder returns instead.

What about the EU? What about NATO for goodnes sake?! Not to mention that France and England were on the same side of both World Wars!

I think the term "allies" works.

It more feels like American-Anglo Alliance loosely combined with a French-German Alliance.

France does not have any really close allies, and it quit NATO in 1966. It does it's own thing most of the time.

> Like most large former public industries that get privatised corners
> have been cut,budgets slashed and new investment stopped.
> money has been spent on marketing and shareholder returns
> instead.
I think Windscale was the UKs only nuclear accident, and it was there only for nuclear weapons development

Windscale/Sellafield has had rather too many incidents. In 2005 there was a leak from the Thorp plant there, and there have been a number of other incidents.

But you are right that other than Sellafield, things have generally been well-managed.

It is actually currently being decommissioned, but there are problems with doing so, because there is, in places, radioactive asbestos. Lovely.

Is there anything that sounds less poisonous than radioactive asbestos?

Yes. I presume you mean MORE poisonous....

"France does not have any really close allies, and it quit NATO in 1966. It does it's own thing most of the time."

Sounds like the US, except the US never quit NATO. XD

Radioactive asbestos is terribly poisonous sounding...

I think it's worth noting here, though, that no one has screwed up nuclear power like the Russians. I don't see any radioactive wasteland on any free nation, no sir. Russians... man their crap is CHEAP.

The Russians are certainly the Edi Birsans of the nuclear disaster world.

What do you mean by that Ghost?
I'm sure its not what you mean, but it sounds like you're calling Edi cheap :S

No, they lead the table.

France is part of NATO, they didn't leave in 1966. They 'withdrew from the military framework'. That means they booted out all non-French troops and retain completely independent and autonomous control of their armed forces...but they're definitely still a member.

So.... they're a half member then? I still don't think that would make them stop shadowing a English sub (If they even knew it was English), and collecting sound signatures from them.

Or vice-versa.

Hey lets not forget about awesome America on the other side of the big-blue-wet-thing. We have had tons of radioactive incidents including Three Mile Island which is in my state. :)

What has there been besides Three Mile Island?

ummm......goddamn....any americans know? Just search it up on wikipedia. Thats sooooooo much easier.