I think a Legitimist coup in France would have been more likely at the time. Even assuming it did go commie, your "World War II" would have started as soon as Soviet France (I assume that's what SF means) tried to join the USSR, hardly the situation I'd call another World War.

I do think a reformed Austria is the right idea, but there would be no Poland. Warsaw was in Prussia for awhile, and I think the Kaiser would have worked out something for Poland like existed for all the former German monarchies. Kinda a faux autonomy in the Reich.

At which time, airborne, the USA would intervene on Germany's behalf. You didn't mention UK's involvement though, I bet the Brits would have stopped the communist revolt in France

Could they? If defeated it would of left a even bigger shock, losts in funds, morale, men to the British people. Britian barely did anything useful when the Allies won in WWI. Britian could of faced an Irish Rebellion, internal turmole and Revolts in the Empire.

Barely did anything useful? That's a bit of a stretch old boy.

Well lets drop that then. But, you get my point.

That leaves only Italy,Japan,Russia, and USA fates

Italy would be un-united for betyal of the Central Powers, Japan would be Japan hard to think of any change.

I don't know about dismantling Italy. Would Austria really want a dozen unstable countries right below it?

What would a German victory have looked like? An occupiped France but certainly not an occupied Britain. Germans had occupied paris as recently as the 1860s of course, and it didn;t ewternally solve the problems between Germany and France.

If France had been overrun than I suspect the British would have bailed and done what they did after the war anyway, namely to ignore Europe and concentrate on Empire and it's supply lines. The main question of course which led to British involvement in the first place was the potantial impact on the British Empire of an expansionist Germany. Would Germany have tried to take slices of India for example? Or would they have been content to take all the French Empire in North and West Africa and South East Asia?

If Germany had been in Vietnam, would there have been a Dien Bien Phu?

As for the Irish, they rebelled in 1916 and became independent in 1920 anyway... perhaps we would have been more comfortable letting the island go in one piece though if we had lost, or perhaps more anxious about losing it and would have fought harder to keep it?

Though the real point to consider is that Britain doesn't lose wars, so this scenario is total nonsense anyway :)

*cough* American Revolution *cough*

you know invictus america has never won a war when they havn't been fighting with the british

Mexican-American War, Civil War, Spanish American War.

the civil war you taking the piss, ok the usa then

I don't understand that sentence.

doesn't surprise me

:p

"the civil war you taking the piss, ok the usa then"

No, I really don't know what that means.

ok you counting the civil war as a war america won, when it was fighting against itself

You don't understand the Civil War then. The United States government won the Civil War. The Confederates lost.Try to actually have a basic understanding of American history before you shoot your mouth off.

Now, I doubt Germany would actually have occupied France after World War I. Something tells me German would have tried to keep a kind of balance of power system like that which existed before the war. With a preeminent Germany, of course.

They certainly would have gobbled up the Belgian Congo, I think.

i understand american history and logic enough to say you cant call the civil war an american victory it was a union victory

If you knew anything you'd know that the Union is America. The American army won the war. I'm not getting into social nuances here, but it's fact that the same polity that won its independence from Britain and exists today is the one that won the Civil War.

@trim Even though the American Civil War was "against itself", unlike many civil wars there were distict borders, and minimal irregular units and tactics. It was huge in scale of land area, army size, and casualities. By the end of the war the Union had army secand to none in the world in size and quality with the newist weapons and tactics, and the navy was of such size and state of art, that it was of concern to the British Navy. For these reasons alone it should be counted.

how can any civil war be counted as a victory for that country it defies sense

I think the winning side sees it as a victory.

@trim - You can argue it both ways, really. In essence, in any civil war one portion of that country wins, the other loses. If the presiding government is victorious against a faction attempting to depose it, you could consider that to be a victory for the country. Equally, if that faction had the popular support, as opposed to the government being popular, you could also argue the nation lost. I don't know enough about the American Civil War to be able to say who had support of the majority, but it is fair to say that the presiding government was victorious.

Any interest in WWI still?

@trim - The Union was the United States of America. You know the Abraham Lincoln guy? Yea the 16th President of the UNITED STATES? When the war started the Confederacy left the united states, so it was the United States of America against the Confederate States of America, and when the United States won the confederacy rejoined the union. The northern states didnt change the the name of the nation just because of the war...that defies sense.

So no? Russia was supposed to get the Straits of Marmara. Anyone got something to say about what'd happen if that took place?

A German win would likely mean a neutral US, or even pro German. If you consider very large percent of US citizians were German-American. That could of affected outlook if the Anglophiles had't had, the influance they did have in the goverment. Back to the German win. Perhaps some of the border areas of France would become German along with Luxenbourg and a sliver of Bel. Some of the English, French, and Belgium colonies no dought would have become German. Japan and Italy going with the wind would have sided with the Germans at the end, grabing French and maybe English colonies. France would been in civil disorder maybe civil war. German control of Eastern Europe would have given them and the Fins better chance to influance the Russian Revoltion than the Allies had after the war. The Ottomans and AustriaHungry would still have a hard time keeping there Empires together, and eventualy would fall apart. The US would not have changed from what it was like without the influance of having been in the war.