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armageddon (100 D)
15 Jun 08 UTC
new game- blitzkrieg-3
come and get yer ass kicked
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
14 Jun 08 UTC
More wannabe Mapleleaf's!
There's a guy called mapleleafrulz (ID 6197)...
after the mapleleafisacnt, there seems to be another of the mapleleaf series!
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Rumpole (100 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
Lawyers
I am an advocate and I thought it would be nice to hold a game exclusively for lawyers. Anyone interested?
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anlari (8640 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
Wikipedia Article 'Internet Diplomacy'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Diplomacy

I thought it would be a good idea to move this into a separate thread. We should start paying more attention to the wikipedia article to make sure that it reflects us correctly.

The current article about phpdiplomacy on Wikipedia is not too bad, however it could be better and more comprehensive to make sure that the developers here are sufficiently credited for their work, especially considering attempts to portray things incorrectly by others (cough.. playdiplomacy)

I have a few points:

a) Is there anyone with a senior position as a contributor in Wikipedia and/or experience with writing articles there among us?

b) We should stress the point that phpdiplomacy is based on work of volunteer coders from the community and completely free

c) We should list all of the current forks of phpdiplomacy, not just the Facebook version.

d) We should see if we can say more about the unique community here as well as the features.

e) Perhaps more details as to the reason Kestas stopped coding for? Objectively, of course.
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
12 Jun 08 UTC
To travel boycott or not
If a country has a regime with which you have an ethical difficulty, is it better not to travel to that country or to go and engage with local people?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
How do I join League game B-1, was sent a link, clicked it, now what?
Basically, what the subject says.
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
Minor Powers and Civil Disorder
Lately, I have been getting really ticked when someone takes over a CD country that has like one or two SCs late game. its so annoying because at that point the player is either a multi-accounter or joining just to screw over one of the other players because they can't really hope to win or even make a significant showing. Is there anything that can be done about that?
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Chairman Mao (340 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
Is it ok to give away your own SCs to allies?
Well, I am not pointing at anyone here, nor any specific game, but I would like to see some discussion on this:

Is it ok for a nation to give away some of his own SCs to an ally?
The situation I am in is as followed:
- France is on the verge of winning
- France promised England to get him 10+ SCs by the end of game
- England has no ability to get any more SCs from his opponent (i.e. Me, Turkey) unless he takes from France
- Instead of winning, France is taking stuff off his opponent, and giving off stuff from his back
- By doing so, France is delaying what is supposed to be a victory
- Is this similar to positioning yourself for 24 SCs to win in a PPSC game?

Perhaps this is right, perhaps this is wrong, but I want to know everyone's opinion on this. No strong comments...purely a discussion
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Sicarius (673 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
to all republicans
I'll see you at the RNC

good luck
;)
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warrenthegreat (147 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
There is luck in Diplomacy
It's called luck of the opponent.
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zestythelemon (950 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
Continental Breakfast II
That's right, folks. Continental Breakfast is back in its first sequel. Cost to join is 20, plus you have to bring a breakfast food appropriate to the country you get assigned. PPSC.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4297
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Katsarephat (100 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
Orders not processed?
In "Revolution is no excuse for CD", I could swear I had entered orders for England (specifically, I'd wanted to snatch Spain from France, among other things) in Autumn whatever-year-we're-currently-on Diplomacy. It's now Autumn Retreats and my orders didn't get processed. Luckily I don't need to enter any retreats.

Anyone know why this might have occurred? (It is possible, though highly unlikely, that I just never finalized and took no notice of the alert on the top of my screen telling me to act...)
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Kristopher (100 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
Thomas Jefferson fornicated with ducks and goats.
Yes, it's true....


Join for 100 points!

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4292
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
07 Jun 08 UTC
Dear Mr. Llama. Subject: League B
There are now seven people who wish to start the League B.

Please start a game WTA 15 pot on Thursday, as one player will be without internet until then. Please use a password and email the joining link to each of the players at their email addresses (in reply):
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Treefarn (6094 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
New Game - 200 bet PPS
Come join!
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4275

Called 'Big Money No Whammies"
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cteno4 (100 D)
13 Jun 08 UTC
Two more players needed - "75 Buy-In"
And a question for y'all:

What happens if fewer than seven people join a game?
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jpchewy01 (100 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
New game
Hey guys! Join the new game:
a noob game
the bet is 5 points
thanks!
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FamedPunnisher (100 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
New Game
Join this new game so we can Get goin
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Withnail160 (1204 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
LOST
Im embarrassed to say that (until recently) I have been an avid fan of LOST - it panders to my interest in puzzles

I would love to hear opinions of the phpdip community on the programme...what are your thoughts?
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fwancophile (164 D)
11 Jun 08 UTC
neutral question
i may have run up against a rule i wasn't familiar with, or some derivative of the old self-dislodgement rule. what would be the result if there is a unit in a territory ordered to attack another, and you know the attack fails. in addition, a hostile country orders a supported unit to this territory, but you also order another supported unit into this territory?
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Marty (100 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
all for one
my 1st game, anyone wanna join me?
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fastspawn (1625 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
My thoughts on ethics and the game
Since I have some time on the side, I am just for the hell of it writing this down
1. It is said that in order to successfully play this game, one has to make two lies at least.
2. In most ethical situations lying is a no-no. Especially if the lying leads to pure self-benefit (i.e. winning the game, making the other lose it)
3. The other option is meta-gaming (i.e. making a deal with another player over several games to share victories. Against phpdiplomacy rules)
4. Hence, it is said to be impossible to be ethical and still win diplomacy.

My reply below will be my thoughts on this.
Bazin (527 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Dependent on your personal ethics, your second and fourth premise could be false.
freakflag (690 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Assuming a traditional ethical pattern (such as those defined by the monotheistic religions that have dominated Western culture for some time), premise 2 is true. However, premise 4 does not logically follow, because premise 2 only states that "in MOST ethical situations, lying is a no-no." The question to be asked is this: how often is lying accepable in the context of a diplomacy game? To answer this question, let's examine the general times when telling falsehoods is deemed to be okay. Off the top of my head, there are 3 main situations:
1) The lie is told to diminish harm to another person, often called a 'white lie' (example: 'You look great!')
2) The difference between the statement and the truth is minor (example: 'I'll arrived at 4:00' when in fact you arrived at 4:03)
3) When the audience of your statement understand that you are not telling the truth -- this can be exaggeration ('There were a million people'), telling a joke ('That's what she said'), irony ('I just love it when my air conditioner breaks on the hottest day of the year'), etc.

I claim that all statements made in the context of a diplomacy game fall under situation 3.
Any intelligent player is aware of the fact that his opponents are attempting to win, and will try to act in their best interests, even when this includes lying to their fellow players. Thus, when player A tells player B 'I will support you into Rumania,' player B does not take this statement as a statement of fact, but rather as a political action. If this statement turns out to not correspond to the truth, player B will usually distrust player A's statements for a period of time. Thus, there is an disincentive to make statements that do not correspond to the truth. For a player who is acting in his own best interest to lie in diplomacy, he must be getting a large enough benefit to counter this disincentive. Therefore, a player is very unlikely to lie unless he plans a course of action that will be significantly better for himself than the course of action he claimed he would take.
Thus, when player A says 'I will support you into Rumania,' this should be viewed as a statement of fact. Rather, it should be viewed as player A creating a disincentive for himself for a particular action, namely not supporting player B into Rumania.

Player B does not trust the statement itself. Rather, he trusts that player A will act rationally within the bounds of the situation he is in, which includes a disincentive that player A himself has created.
fastspawn (1625 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
no.
fastspawn (1625 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
I said "most" and although i do not pull out survey's to prove it, i don't see the need to argue this point. Choose to believe it as you will.

I am actually not listing down premises 1-4, rather just points. 4 is actually a conclusion based upon premise 1 and premise 2.

fastspawn (1625 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
anyway, not lying is not a sole purview of "western religion".
freakflag (690 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
So basically you are assuming that telling a falsehood is always unethical, and then concluding that it's impossible to ethically win a game of diplomacy. Don't worry, maybe you can get to 2nd grade next year.
freakflag (690 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Because 2nd graders already know that you can't just make assumptions that are obviously equivalent to your claims if they want to be taken seriously.
fastspawn (1625 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
chill man, i hope to get into 2nd grade next year too. Ms. Wormwood is killing me here.

Also, read my post carefully, especially where i say the words "it is said". The conclusion is not my own but what i observe that people are feeling. Hence the dichotomy between your interpretion of my post and my intention.
menace3society (927 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
All diplomacy players always lie.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
09 Jun 08 UTC
We don't lie! (is that an oxymoron??)
It would be more unethical to allow opponents to win by not lying to them.
If you make an alliance it is unethical to keep it. Funny.
Croaker (370 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Ethics? Diplomacy? Are we talking about the game whose central themes are based around something called a "stab"?
GnuclearGnome (100 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
Seeing as Diplomacy is based on European diplomacy from 1900, lying should be a theme. Anyway, its a game, so, as long as youre not cheating, its okay. Lying doesnt hurt anybody in the game, so why would it be unethical?
fastspawn (1625 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
i look at lying in diplomacy the same way as doing a feint in soccer, or baiting a queen in chess.

After all warfare is based on deception
Braveheart (2408 D(S))
10 Jun 08 UTC
I don't see what lying or stabbing has to do with monotheistic or western religions!! Am sure they existed and were indeed flourishing well before modern civilisation began to develop in the West.

My personal view is that stabbing or the use of deceipt in diplomacy is not more or less unethical than:
- a solider killing a fellow human in battle (from the other side)
- a banker making money at expense of another banker

It's part of the rules of the game, people should know what they have signed up for and the parameters within which they can operate.
fastspawn (1625 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
i also have heard how people actually steal orders from another player before they get to the adjudicator (or do amendments)

is it within the "parameters"?
anlari (8640 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
You can win without lying or metagaming. You just have to:

1) pick your statements and their wording carefully
2) speak without clarity
Braveheart (2408 D(S))
10 Jun 08 UTC
Well ethics are never black or white! I have heard rumours/articles of that type of behaviour going on in face to face play, which I'd personally find unacceptable and not within the parameters.

I'd consider it similar to someone being able hack into this site and view, change or delete orders from someone else they're playing against.
anlari (8640 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
And if you're dealing with experienced players, you can just be honest or not talk about the issue of stabbing eachother at endgame as long as you don't tell them the timing of the stab.
Samael (100 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
Anlari: You might struggle against an ally who, each turn, presents you with a list of "sensitive" provinces, and asks you to explicitly confirm that you will not be moving into them.


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jakethesnake (1112 D)
10 Jun 08 UTC
convoy cutting support
Shouldn't a failed convoy cut support the sameway a normal move would? in this case, i'm france, and was convoying to london. Still, London was able to suppurt edi to the north sea and boot germany out. is this a mistake, or do convoys not cut support?

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4050&msgCountry=Germany
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fraushai (1781 D)
12 Jun 08 UTC
(RTC) Lt. Crackers
I believe that someone suggested banning (RTC) Lt. Crackers (See 'Hall of Fame') a while ago - why isn't he removed?
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Treefarn (6094 D)
07 Jun 08 UTC
Points inflation and veteran players
I know this subject has been talked about ad nauseum, but I'm suprised at the number of veteran players who, when they know a game is ending, bring their point totals down to zero so they can get a free 100 points. I understand why new members do this, but I'm surprised that veterans do as well.

I suppose expecting diplomacy players to be 'ethical' is an oxymoron.
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Stevelers (3084 D(G))
10 Jun 08 UTC
Problem with taking over CD country.
In the game: "Gravemakers&Gunslingers", I took over for Russia which was in CD. However, I can't open the game, for some reason... It says there is an error, dealing with "orders which have been completed, but should not be". That's what it says, at least... I don't have any orders to fill right now, so no big rush on getting this fixed, or anything.

Sorry, I can't provide the link to the game, seeing as how I can't open the game...
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freakflag (690 D)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Skipping worthless phases
Currently in final hours, we are in a retreat phase. England is the only country that has a unit that was dislodged, and that unit cannot retreat. I was wondering if something could added to the to-do list to prevent the delay of waiting until the player submits that he is doing the only available option.
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keeper0018 (100 D)
06 Jun 08 UTC
Where I disappeared to...
hey all, i know that i kind of took off suddenly from the site about a month ago, so i just wanted to let everyone know where i went. i got grounded from all communication indefinitely (hey, im only 14), so i could not go on the computer. I am sorry about all of the games that i left in CD, but i had no choice, and im sure that the people that took them over didnt mind! i am posting this now from school, the only time i can get on the computer. do not fret, though; i have a feeling that sometime within the next month or two i will be acquitted for my offense, and i will be back to kicking arse in no time. adu for now.

Nick (keeper0018)
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Kent C. Tugood (483 D)
11 Jun 08 UTC
Joining a Private Game
Never done it before, but a bunch of gents from a Browser Based game wished to play a private foray. But I haven't a hot clue where to find it. Any pointers?
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sundwn (0 DX)
09 Jun 08 UTC
Draw Request - ww3
All 3 parties have agreed to the draw. The game link is below:

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3930

They will publicly agree as a reply to this message I am sure.
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