Did have a couple of holds, but overall, very well played game by Da Bears! BEAR DOWN!

Heart breaker for the Raiders...Pryor looked good, though...

Amen. You must be a Bears fan :-D. Mr. CF is a Vikings fan and I swear I'm gonna hear about how bad the Vikes played for at least 3 days.

OH what an ending for the Jets...and Rex Ryan lives to talk trash another day!

League put on notice

We 19-0 now

Won't happen PE. Start looking where losses may happen now.

"Hey, the Jays are in the toughest division in baseball. I have a lot of respect for that club"
I know, Yankees, Rays, Sox and Jays, all 4 of normally in the top 10 best teams in baseball, and all 4 are in the same division, its bullshit and retarded.

Right now I'm cheering for Baltimore, they're right behind Tampa for the wildcard spot and I hope they just squeeze in and win the world series.

Anyway, I'll stop talking about baseball now since this thread should be about football

Where losses may happen?

Nowhere.

We stakt
League frikt

Awww you're being silly now.

Haha, ironically, the future Mrs. Zachattack is a Vikings fan, and she was not very happy today either.

@ghug ... In that case you hate bandwagoners. The same can be said for most of the big eight spenders (Red Sox, Yankees, Rangers, Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, Angels, Tigers in no particular order). Might be able to throw the Jays on there too. Maybe the Yankees and Red Sox have the "entitlement" to them but they are all the same in essence.

And, by the way, the best GIF of the day thus far. http://thefakeespn.lockerdome.com/media/109318434

I don't know... Clay Matthews jump on Kaepernick is pretty neat to see too.

Uh, Fasces, since when are the Jays and the Rays "always in the top 10?" The Sox and Yankees are more often than not, but the Rays only started being good a few years ago. Divisions go through cycles. The NL Central was weak until very recently and is now easily top 2 in baseball. The AL West was absolutely dominant in the late '90s and earoly '00s. I can go on. That's how these things work, it's not bullshit.

And to keep this thread on topic: SEAHAWKS WIN! FUCK ALL THE HATERS!

Wow... the Seahawks won 12-7 against the Panthers... that's a big accomplishment...

A win is a win. Plus, they had to wake up early, they usually suck on the road, and they probably could have scored again at the end.

A win is a win? Bullshit. The Colts beat the Raiders 21-17. I thought they might manage 35-7. I'm not going around saying "fuck all the haters" in all caps; I'm nearly to tears at how they wouldn't have won if Andrew Luck hadn't been Peyton Manning-esque in the fourth quarter yet again, only the ninth time in his first season + one game.

"The NL Central was weak until very recently and is now easily top 2 in baseball. The AL West was absolutely dominant in the late '90s and earoly '00s. I can go on. That's how these things work, it's not bullshit."
When has the ALE not been the best division in the league?

I'll grant that Tampa has only been relevent in the last 5 years, but before that Jays, Sox and Yankees have all been top notch teams, and would have all made the playoffs in most of the last 20 years had one of the three been moved to another division.

CAPTAIN KAEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 412 YARDS...

NINERS OVER THE PACK 34-28!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FINISH THE VICTORY BEER--

DRINK L'CHAIM TO LIFE...AND THE 49ERS!

So bring it on next week, ghug! :D

Bo, I know it wasn't as dominant as some of us would have liked, but Wilson still played well, the defense is great, and a win is still a win.

Fasces, sure the AL East is the best division in the AL more often than not, but saying that they're always the best is just foolish. Putting the Jays in your list of teams that would almost always make the playoffs in other divisions is also a serious case of fan bias.

Going year by year since 1994, listing the overall rank by winning percentage of each team in the AL East:
1994- 2, 8, 13, 15
1995- 3, 5, 13, 27
1996- 3, 8, 12, 22
1997- 2, 3, 18, 22
1998- 1, 5, 11, 16, 29
1999- 3, 9, 12, 15, 25
2000- 9, 11, 14, 21, 25
2001- 3, 15, 17, 28, 29
2002- 1, 9, 18, 24, 29
2003- 1, 9, 13, 23, 29
2004- 2, 3, 28, 23, 25
2005- 4, 5, 17, 22, 27
2006- 1, 10, 11, 26, 30
2007- 1, 4, 15, 27, 30
2008- 3, 4, 8, 12, 26
2009- 1, 4, 15, 21, 28
2010- 2, 3, 10, 13, 27
2011- 2, 7, 9, 14, 27
2012- 3, 8, 9, 22, 24
2013 (to date)- 1, 10, 12, 13, 18

Most years, they have two in the top third, two in the bottom third, and one somewhere in between. They've been the best division in baseball in several of the past few years (though arguably not this one, see NL Central), but they certainly haven't been for all of the last 20 as you claim. They also had some pretty terrible teams improving records for many of those years.

@Ghug: Hard numbers dont mean anything. Jays play the Yankees and the Sox a lot more then they play other teams. Getting a 500 record in the ALE is a lot harder then in any other division.

Also in other news, I watched the Cowboys-Gaints game, wasn't expecting to watch football this week, and I was even more surprised to be cheering for the Giants in the final quarter of the game, lol

I was very pleased to see the Packers lose but Cobb still had plenty of fantasy points :-D. That's the way it needs to be every week.

They also play the Orioles and the Rays more than other teams, and until quite recently those teams were very bad. Looking at the records of all teams in a division also makes the point moot as a division has to have a .500 record against itself. Your argument is fundamentally circular.

If you'd like better numbers though, from 1998 to 2013 in the American League (ignoring the Astros):
The Yankees rank 1st in wRC+, 15th in UZR, 1st in SIERA, 2nd in position player WAR, and 2nd in pitcher WAR.
The Red Sox rank 2nd in wRC+, 4th in UZR, 2nd in SIERA, 1st in position player WAR, and 1st in pitcher WAR.
The Blue Jays rank 8th in wRC+, 8th in UZR, 6th in SIERA, 8th in position player WAR, and 7th in pitcher WAR.
The Rays rank 12th in wRC+, 2nd in UZR, 10th in SIERA, 6th in position player WAR, and 13th in pitcher WAR.
The Orioles rank 10th in wRC+, 6th in UZR, 13th in SIERA, 11th in position player WAR, and 14th in pitcher WAR.

The numbers show that the Yankees and the Red Sox have been the best teams in the AL since the last expansion (no surprise there), the Blue Jays have been average to slightly below average, and the Rays and Orioles have been well below average. To compare, the four non-Astros AL West teams rank 3rd, 4th, 7th, and 9th in position player WAR and 4th, 6th, 8th, and 11th in pitcher WAR.

The AL East has two consistently good teams, but that doesn't make it consistently better as a whole than other divisions.

The Jays wouldn't win any division in the AL. The Rangers and A's would beat them, the Red Sox, Yankees, Rays, and possibly Orioles would beat them, and the Tigers and Royals would beat them and maybe the Indians too. They could in a perfect world sneak out a wild card in the NL if one of the three NL Central teams (Pirates, Cardinals, Reds) decided to crash and burn and the Nationals continue to underperform. Only in that world could they even make the playoffs let alone get anywhere in the playoffs.