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MeepMeep (100 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
I missed a turn because of the server error.
Hi, This morning I could not log in.
"Apologies for the downtime, the server ran out of disk space. Our new disk will be configured this weekend. All games have been given extra time to compensate. Thanks for your patience."

As the result, one of my game missed a turn. Everyone else moved excepted me. What do I do now?
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datapolitical (100 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
I know i'm totally showing myself to be a language nerd by doing this, but here I go:

"in the hopes that (subject) can trick (object) into looking stupid."
Subject = "People on this forum"
In the hopes that "people on this forum" can trick {them} into looking stupid."
I agree there's the possibility that "them" becomes "themselves," but since a plain reading of "people on this forum can trick them into looking stupid" implies "them"="other people", and it makes sense in that form, that's how i'd read it without clarification for Abge.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 13 UTC
It was a joke, dp.
MeepMeep (100 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Yes, I am an experienced Developer myself. But I won't get involved in coding with you guys. I just want to organize the Use-case, implement game-theory, logic.

I am the kind of guy who would reorder my bacth queries based on the temporal information so that the read will get data from the same track. Hard drive always read the full track so you do get free read. If your hard drive head does not have to move back and for, you will get superior performance. I know about atomic operation, lock, commit, explicit lock, implicit lock and stuff. I am an expert in Cache coherency.

My style is paper and pencil. I like to draw simple diagram, my diagram is three dimension, with X, Y as two dimension while I used color as the third dimension. I believe codes are to be PRECISE and comments are to be CONCISE.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Apr 13 UTC
@Meep

See, I'm glad I asked.

As a developer, I'm sure you can understand the importance of maintaining, developing, and testing code. While some of your ideas would, in theory, speed up the development process, none of them touch on the real bottlenecks of this site. Remember, everyone here, including the site owner, is a volunteer. All money goes directly to maintaining the server's hardware. Having a volunteer, or a group of volunteers, develop code together gets very complicated. More challenging, however, is actually motivating volunteers to do the hard development work.

Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Meep - Then why not move to solid state drives? Sure they cost 3-5 times what the equivalent drive does but no seek times and incredible read times plus no moving part and greater TBF.
MeepMeep (100 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
The project I worked on was for a self-contained Enterprise Solution for the Search Engine. We store billions and billions of webpages, solid state drives would be prohibitive. Beside, at the time I was working on that project, Flash Technology was not quite mature/optimized yet. Are the current laptops adopting SSD in wide spread yet?
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
12 Apr 13 UTC
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People are surprisingly interested in the technical issues at play here.. :o I am more than happy to oblige.

Two things you need to know first:
- We recently moved servers partly to get more disk space (2x250GB HDDs, instead of 1x160GB)
- FreeBSD (and *nix in general) stores web logs and databases on a /var partition , which has its own space allocation

When we went to a new server a couple of weeks ago I asked the tech reinstalling the OS to put the /var partition on the second 250GB HDD. This would give plenty of space for the database, and also balance the load between the two HDDs fairly evenly.
After three hours and much agitation on my part I got through to him, and he said it would be quicker for him to just do the default install with everything on the one HDD.

The default install gives /var 8GB.. More than enough for a desktop OS or a database-light server, but for our system that's almost at capacity. (Someone mentioned the map cache etc, and although those take up a lot of space too they are on another partition)
I was planning to set up the second disk this weekend, but unfortunately our space use has been growing faster than I had thought.

The next safeguard is a script we have running which warns when any partitions are nearing capacity (as well as several other potential issues). This too was effectively disabled, because it uses a certain PHP function disk_free_space() not present on the new installation, and not yet reimplemented. This meant the disk space could go over, and the server went down.

Even then I would normally have got an e-mail within 30 minutes of when it ran out space and went down, and I got a dozen, but peak webDiplomacy time is US midday-time, which is West Australian sleep-time. The data comes in fastest when I'm zonked.

Even then the script should have started making my computer beep to wake me up, but I haven't fully tested that functionality yet. (I shelved that when the server started playing up and I had to focus on moving the server)

Even then when I woke up and restored the server the game processing script should have recognized that nothing had been processed for the last 6 hours, and that nothing should be processed until games were given more time. (I'm still not sure why this failed, I'll be investigating that this weekend)
Hopefully that more than satisfies those looking for the details. :P


So this was a major screwup, but hopefully you can see how it mostly relates to a recent server move and not having everything yet completely hooked back up. Thanks again for your patience. This weekend I'll be taking care of these issues and also deploying some changes Alderian has been working on.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
12 Apr 13 UTC
Thanks, good info ..... especially the tease about the 'Alderian Changes'
Yonni (136 D(S))
12 Apr 13 UTC
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You have it set up so your computer will wake you if you're sleeping and the server goes down?!
Incredible. I applaud your dedication.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Meeps - My new Sony is a dual core ultra low power i7 with 8 gig and a 256 gig SSD and touch screen running Windows 8 for about $1200. All in all a decent developer machine. And even though it is integrated, the video is still good enough to play STO, WoW, and SWTOR at medium to medium high settings.

Kestas - thanks for all you do.
MeepMeep (100 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
I much appreciate the long post from Kestasjk. It shows dedication. I don't appreciate long posts in the Quantum Mechanics. They take up too much space on the forum.

Growing too fast, consuming diskspace faster than expected is a good problem to have. It's way better than a deserted sites where nobody play.
MeepMeep (100 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
I propose we refer everyone to use this link to report issues:
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?newsendtothread=997010&viewthread=997010#postbox

In side this forum, we will have two sticky restricted threads, one thread for the bug summary report, one thread for ideas, improvement, request.

In each of those threads, the first post will be the summaries, subsequent replies in side will be used to elaborate each items. The summary will list things in the priority order. These two restricted threads will be owned by a couple admin persons who read everyone else issues then make a judgement, paraphrase for clarity, concise.

If we get organized, good things will come out, propagate up. We need to exercise the wisdom of the collective.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
13 Apr 13 UTC
Or we could just use the dev forum. You should poke around this website a bit more.
MeepMeep (100 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
What is the link for the Dev forum? I am still kind new around here, getting my feet wet.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
13 Apr 13 UTC
forum.webdiplomacy.net

For some reason it has been exceptionally slow to load today.
MeepMeep (100 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
Oh yeah, I was there, and it was slow. I copied and pasted the wrong link. LoL. But I did mean to use the forum.webdiplomacy.net. (I googled a lot and can find my way around. I am a search engine expert.)

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I propose we refer everyone to use this link to report issues:
http://forum.webdiplomacy.net/viewforum.php?f=3&sid=b44ff7eac59858313046d0f7dca62c59

In side this forum, we will have two sticky restricted threads, one thread for the bug summary report, one thread for ideas, improvement, request.

In each of those threads, the first post will be the summaries, subsequent replies in side will be used to elaborate each items. The summary will list things in the priority order. These two restricted threads will be owned by a couple admin persons who read everyone else issues then make a judgement, paraphrase for clarity, concise.

If we get organized, good things will come out, propagate up. We need to exercise the wisdom of the collective.
MeepMeep (100 D)
14 Apr 13 UTC
We should come up with way to reduce incentives in cheating, thus also reduce the work to investigate. I propose:

1. You are not allowed to take over a country when it's too weak. If have seen ridiculous cases when someone took over a county with a couple SCs while the giant neighbor has more than 10 SCs.
2. When someone takes over a country, the new bet money should not be added to the pot. As far as the current players, it's just a change of player for that one country, why should the pot be sweetened?
3. We should have tier where a brand new players is not allowed to join a game with a veterans or higher ranking. You must play with xyz number of games and show credible effort before you are allowed in game with the vet. This prevents people from making quick and throw away account to help their main.
MeepMeep (100 D)
14 Apr 13 UTC
If the Dev have need for coding, I can write Algorithm for you guys to code. Clearly I am not set up nor I want to get involved in the details. But if you have a need for some algorithm, I can write Pseudo codes to help out. Perhaps I can demonstrate my competency by writing Pseudo code to resolve/process moves to impress the Devs here?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Apr 13 UTC
@Meep

1) How does this relate to cheating? Even a two center country can affect a game. Why should it remain in CD?

2) Agreed, but not sure it's a priority.

3) This is already handled by high-point games and password protected games. Do you think that is insufficient?

MeepMeep (100 D)
14 Apr 13 UTC
Yes, it is insufficient, put it in another way, we must not allow an experienced players to join a game with unproven accounts. I saw games with players rank top 10% and higher in game with a brand new account, me. LoL.

It's not about 2 CD or 1 CD, it's about a ratio. 2 CD can affect a game if everyone else have 3 CD. But 2 CD will not affect a game when everyone has 10 CD. In such case, 2 CDs then would be used by cheaters to tip the balance. That's not affecting the game, it's cheating.

I propose to use a ratio to calculate which country is eligible for taking over.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
14 Apr 13 UTC
I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you're saying. What does "10 CD" mean?
MeepMeep (100 D)
15 Apr 13 UTC
Oh wait, I got it wrong, replace all of my CDs with SCs. Sorry for the confusion.


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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
12 Apr 13 UTC
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WebDip vs VDip
Not sure if this has already been posted here, but Gen Lee suggested a tournament between the best players here and the best players on VDip, including Classic games and variant games to give both factions some home ground to fight on.
Any of you up for it? We've already got a small team together and hopefully some of the other top VDip players will volunteer soon.
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twinsnation (503 D(B))
14 Apr 13 UTC
vite 2 needs one player
game starts in 5 minutes one more required
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Apr 13 UTC
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Corée du Nord (That means North Korea)
A statement I heard today:

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blankflag (0 DX)
14 Apr 13 UTC
The Problem of Money
I just jumped from being in the 15th percentile of wealth to 5th because of some market shorting - that was because of luck mostly.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
14 Apr 13 UTC
MODS - Game stuck
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=111195

Loading order...
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
13 Apr 13 UTC
The Future of Tournaments webDip
As webDip grows, we need to relook at some of our old policies. The Mods have decided that it's time we rethink how Tournaments are done. I'm currently sitting in while most of the Mods are away, so I figured I'd get the community's input now, for them to consider when they get back.
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dannysparkes (397 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
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V Web diplomacy ego's
When the site went down last night i signed up to the v web diplomacy site and checked the forum and one thread suggests that the players in the top forty are better than the top 400 here. What a bunch of tosh they are really up on themselves :(
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Halt (270 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
The Problem of Points
I just jumped from 15% to 5% because of a gunboat game - that was won because of luck mostly.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
13 Apr 13 UTC
Just came up with an opening for Italy I've never heard anyone about...
It probably has been discussed/done before but I don't think I ever heard/saw it...
Ven-Tyr, Rome-Nap, Nap-Ion.

It's not really offensive at all to Austria and it leaves open a load of possibilities... What do you think?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
Circle Triangle Square
Aïkido concepts in the strategies of Diplomacy play.
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JoSo (291 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Has anyone seen a game glitch like this;
Newly built fleet in Moscow in World version of game, can not move to Ukraine or Arminia, can not support to hold anything, can support to move only units going to Black Sea. It's as if Black Sea is the only recognized adjacent area. by can not I mean drop down menus of locations only have Black Sea or are blank. Nothing currently in the Black Sea.
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Tagger (129 D)
13 Apr 13 UTC
How do i set up a tournament?
How do i set up a tournament?
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Thatcher's Funeral
Since the "Maggie Thatcher Dead at 87" thread has turned into a debate about the IRA specifically, I wanted to voice my opinion about a seperate issue relating to Mrs. Thatcher's death.
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semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Apr 13 UTC
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Maggie Thatcher Dead at 87
http://news.sky.com/story/1075292/margaret-thatcher-dies-after-stroke
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SYnapse (0 DX)
11 Apr 13 UTC
Art variant
You may only speak to other players through a piece of art of your choosing posted to the forum
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blankflag (0 DX)
13 Apr 13 UTC
adam gadahn, seriously?
as low as my credibility for the cia and corporate media are, how was adam gadahn on msnbc? american must be the joke of intelligent people everywhere at this point.
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SplitDiplomat (101466 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Is this the new web dip record?
Is this the fastest solo on web dip ever?
gameID=114948 just finished,very interesting game,congrats to the winner!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
11 Apr 13 UTC
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Creating an EOG periodical
I got the thought that it may be nice to create a collection of some of the sites best EOGs. I figure that people could point me in the direction of some of their favourites. I could give them a quick edit (to conform their styles at least) and then release them periodically as a collection. Ultimately, it would be cool to have them stored on a navigatable website. This is just a thought though so all action, of course, is pension my laziness.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
11 Apr 13 UTC
Does anybody here really understand 'Quantum Theory'?
Do you?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
13 Apr 13 UTC
Mall shooting announce before hand on 4chan
Well, this is rather horrific...

http://gawker.com/5994549/the-virginia-mall-shooting-was-announced-in-advance-on-4chan
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
10 Apr 13 UTC
Want Turkish fleets in the Tyrrhenian Sea?
An object lesson in why the Crusher is a poor gunboat opening for Italy.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=114834
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Draugnar (0 DX)
11 Apr 13 UTC
The non-variant series...
I am thinking of starting a new series (passworded) wherein the buy-in is irrelavent because the points at the end of the game go back to the original polayers and the winner/drawees get nothing extra. This would eliminate the PPSC vs. WTA arguments and their issues as it wouldn't matter (although it would still affect GR, nothing I can do about that).

Anyone up for trying this out?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Apr 13 UTC
FACE TO FACE DIPLOMACY TOURNAMENT SIGNUP
Come on guys!
https://sites.google.com/site/boroughsdiplomacy/
Register at [email protected]
May 18-19
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datapolitical (100 D)
11 Apr 13 UTC
My favorite war is...
I would like to say WW2 because its the war I've read the most about. But tbh it's the Six Day War. A small country dominating a much larger enemy through superior tactics. How can a diplomacy player not love that!
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SYnapse (0 DX)
10 Apr 13 UTC
Huxley or Darwin?
Frans de Waal describes two conflicting ideas of evolutionary ethics, Darwin’s “evolution of ethics” and Huxley’s “veneer theory.”
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erist (228 D(B))
12 Apr 13 UTC
Press tactics
What tactics do you use in your press to sow dissent, confirm rumors, get other people to move the way you want them too, etc?
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datapolitical (100 D)
12 Apr 13 UTC
Google plus hangout game?
So who's interested in a public press live game on google plus? (obviously it'd be gunboat on the site, because all communication would be done over video chat). We could broadcast the game so observers could see the conversation in real time.

I'm thinking 10 minutes per turn, Sunday afternoon at around 2PM PST.
How does that sound?
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
12 Apr 13 UTC
MASTERS TOURNAMENT
Weirsy and Couples, the two biggest beauties on tour.
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FlemGem (1297 D)
31 Mar 13 UTC
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Grant or Lee
Who was the better general? Discuss.....
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