*existence of Zork*

I'm a Wiccan, I can take the highly scandalized road if we need to troll on this. Because if there's one thing I want, it's more ridiculous trolling.

There exists a mythological being known as Zeus, who features in the religion of ancient Greece, and has been portrayed in multiple novels and movies.

Next.

Sure, I'll bite.

I believe Zeus exists. Now go ahead and prove otherwise.

Why would i try such a thing? I am convinced, i agree - you believe that Zeus exists.

I'll rephrase if it'll help. Zeus does exist.

Of course Zeus exists. Santa exists. The Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. As long as we can conceive of them, then they exist even if only in our imaginations.

Not imaginary. I believe all of them exist in actuality.

Me too, actually.

I believe that all of the various names that humans give to supernatural entities are various facets of the divine force, and as such, each of them exists equally as much as each of the others as sort of a godly gestalt. This is similar to Draugnar's belief in that they are all equally valid, but different in that the validity exists (yet not quite enough to say that they are all completely and utterly extant).

Why Can't they be completely and utterly extant?

I didn't preclude the possibility of existence outside our imaginations, just that they obviously exist within as well. My beliefs, while not outright Wiccan, do tend in that direction as well, SD. I believe in a higher power that we humans perceive by contructing images of what we think a higher power is, but in fact we are unable to conceive of all that a higher power is without becoming a higher power ourselves.

As much as I hate to say it (cause I hate that the show resulte din Farscape getting cancelled) , but I think the idea of transcending to another plane of existence as Daniel did in Stargate SG-1 might well be a possibility. And, in fact, what we view as death could well be that transformation. Or maybe Clarke and Kubrick were onto something when Dave Bowman becomes the starchild.

I'm curious if bart and I are going in the same direction? I see no reason why they cannot.

I think we are going the same direction CA. I also see no reason why Zeus, Santa, etc cannot be "completely and utterly extant."

I was asking SD, who seemed to say that he wouldn't go quite that far.

It's not that they can't be completely and utterly extant, I just feel personally that they are, essentially, all different masks for the same thing.

It's hard for me to describe this since a lot of it is dialogue within my head, but I see things and ideas as having levels of reality to me. The computer that I am currently typing on is very real. Draugnar, bartdogg42, CA, etc...they're not quite as real because while I believe you are all people, for all I know in fact you could be the same person, or random scriptbots. The overwhelming evidence that I perceive is that you are real people, but you're still not quite as real to me as this computer. So there's levels of reality to me, or how real I perceive any individual thing to be based on how much I personally associate with it.

I see this "godly gestalt" as being real enough that I fully endorse anyone believing in any individual part of it because I believe that's how they perceive it. I don't feel that it's real enough that every bit of it can exist simultaneously and with the same degree of reality. Although I do believe a person can believe in other parts of it as being sub-parts of their main belief...like Saint Nick as a sub-part of belief in Jesus or Apollo being a sub-part of belief in Zeus.

damn, SD is onto us... quick guys, hide, if the humans find out that scriptbots which can pass the Turing test are already playing dip, they'll launch nukes at our servers and we don't have the nuke shield ready yet...

You are all just figments of my over worked imagination while I dream. But I'll be damned if I can figure out how to wake up.