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ilse10 (443 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Support move Question
If a unit is going to attack my army, with support, can I 'move' to the supporting unit (in this case sweden) to block the move/support move? Will doing this thwart a move into my territory since I have tried and failed to take the unit he was supporting the move from, causing me to still be in my land (norway)?
Does that work? Or make sense?
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
NEED A RUSSIA FAST IN LIVE GAME
IT IS UNFAIR IF THERE IS NO RUSSIA PLEASE JOIN YOU WILL GET A DRAW AND MANY POINTS :) http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59326
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MarshallShore (122 D)
19 May 11 UTC
Can someone explain the point of gunboat?
I mean seriously. Gunboat is diplomacy without the diplomacy. Maybe it should be called "".
gigantor (404 D)
19 May 11 UTC
I'll give you points for the humor, but gunboat is nonetheless a worthwhile variant. Diplomacy still exists, and while it is more difficult to communicate, gunboats can lead to some of the strongest alliances. It's also a good way of honing your tactical skills (because believe it or not, the best diplomat in the world will still have trouble winning if he doesn't know what to do in a near-stalemate situation)
JesusPetry (258 D)
19 May 11 UTC
Let me explain it to you:
"".
ottovanbis (150 DX)
19 May 11 UTC
yes, i just had a 17 plus year gameboat, they're dicey, tactical and a ton of fun, definitely worth it!
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 May 11 UTC
Always remember to read either the text orders from the link at the bottom or the big map and see what everyone tried to do. This can give you hints as to their intent.
Personally I enjoy gunboats for the simple reason that they stress me out less than normal games. In normal games you have to talk to people, you have to try to interpret their words and intentions... It can take a lot out of you. Gunboats are more about pure tactics; Communication can still occur -- with supports -- but only to a fairly limited extent. It definitely takes some of the stress out of it for me, but maybe that's just me.
numberzero (127 D)
19 May 11 UTC
i have trouble communicating with people, or doing anything other than being in my home, so gunboat is good for me.
Stukus (2126 D)
19 May 11 UTC
I love gunboat. I come from chess, so it's an easier game for me.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
19 May 11 UTC
Tactics Tactics Tactics :)
Gunboats are great because you don't have to negotiate with idiots. =)
instead the idiots get free reign to do idiotic things while I yell at my computer "WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT A JUGGERNAUT"
gigantor (404 D)
19 May 11 UTC
Or rather, WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT ME LEAVING ARMENIA OPEN FOR YOU TO ... oh wait!
They'd have free rein anyway. This just means I don't have to deal with their invariably-annoying press.
gramilaj (100 D)
19 May 11 UTC
The way I like to think about Gunboats: It gets you accustomed at reading the board without other people's diplomacy muddling that reading.

If you can see the RT forming in a gunboat, you see a RT coming in classic diplomacy no matter how smooth a talker R and T are.
yebellz (729 D(G))
19 May 11 UTC
It's a somewhat different game, but definitely enjoyable. I like that it makes "alliance play" less effective. Of course, alliances and coordination are still possible and necessary, but it takes keen anticipation to be effective.

With any diplomacy variant, it's less fun to play with idiots, but I think gunboat especially requires awareness and understanding of the dynamics of the game, that is, how localized actions affect the entire game. Idiots can often ruin any diplomacy variant (i.e. by setting up another player for an easy win), but I've found that idiots tend to more often get themselves eliminated early in the cutthroat action of a gunboat.

I also like that it takes significantly less time than a press game. You don't have to wait on press or maintain several active conversations. Instead of talking, you just have to infer what other players may want or do based on their previous actions and position. It may seem difficult or silly, but with a good group of rational players, you'd be surprised how effectively they can communicate through their actions and positioning.

I didn't think I would like gunboats so much before I tried them. Frankly, I thought it sounded like a silly concept and that it would just be a bunch of people making random moves (well, the idiots do play gunboat in this style). However, once I played a few games with good players, I realized that this variant is pretty awesome. Goes to show: don't knock it until you try it!

PS: don't overlook the votes! If there's a 12SC power and everyone else but him is voting for a draw, that probably means that they want you to join them in stopping the solo.
ulytau (541 D)
19 May 11 UTC
Most of the points above are very true, I would add that gunboat not only filters the annoyance emitted by idiots, it also lowers the danger they pose. Some types of idiots are easy to manipulate, which is a double-edged weapon. In gunboat, noone can act as their puppetmaster so they simply behave as what they really are, unpredictable idiots. Since the absence of press means one has to predict others' moves simply by logical reasoning, unpredictable idiot is everyone's worst nightmare and is collectively hated as such. Even his natural allies strive to get rid of him, as he's more of a burden than an ally. In press games, you win games by exploiting your own useful idiot. In gunboat, you win if the idiot becomes indispensable for the opposition. There is no better stalemate breaker than idiot holding it.
gramilaj is right on. Gunboat definitely improved my ability to read the board and ignore obfuscatory press.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
19 May 11 UTC
speaking of gunboat, i am trying to promote a live one right now if you just check the live games thread. all this discussion of gunboat ideas has gotten be excited for a solid expert game with wta stakes (http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59326)
figlesquidge (2131 D)
20 May 11 UTC
I would suggest that gunboat is actually *more* heavily affected by poor play than a normal game, where you can use diplomacy to more carefully work a less able player, or those around them.
Aside from the fact they might choose to ignore your hints/messages (as in a real game), in Gunboat you add the possibility that a new player might not even understand what you're doing/saying. I can remember a game where at the end a player posted in a EOG thread laughing at his neighbour who'd given him a support move.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 May 11 UTC
>.< doh


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Thucydides (864 D(B))
16 May 11 UTC
DISCUSS WORLD WAR TWO HERE
Utilize this thread by posting comments about World War Two here and only here.
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Giovannig2 (0 D)
20 May 11 UTC
Help me my account was hijacked
My original account is Giovannig, but it was high jacked by the user Treesniffer2. I have already contacted mods and didn't get any reply. Can anyone help me, I don't know what to do.
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Putin33 (111 D)
19 May 11 UTC
The case of Dominique Strauss-Kahn: Or, how I turned into Sicarius
This has the stench of a set-up, and a rather disgusting one - using rape.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/05/strauss-kahn-predator-or-plot-victim.html

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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
16 May 11 UTC
Diplomacy Pod Cast
http://diplomacycast.com/

Eric Mead and Nathan Barnes have set up a site for pod casts on Diplomacy play. They just interviewed me on the play of Italy in the third segment. (I think my interview starts a little more than half way through the podcast).
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Geofram (130 D(B))
19 May 11 UTC
Favour Needed, Crucial Replacement
This game has been paused for over a month and we really want to follow through with it.
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Babak (26982 D(B))
17 May 11 UTC
Playing Italy... does anyone have issues playing Italy?
Check out this link that Edi Brison shared:
http://diplomacycast.com/files/other/DiplomacyCastEp3.mp3

start around minute 20 for a great conversation and detailed explanation of how to play well with Italy. Much of this will be boring for experienced players, but newer players or early to mid-level players should listen to improve their games dramatically.
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Eggzavier (444 D)
19 May 11 UTC
New Game +1
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Carpysmind (1423 D)
19 May 11 UTC
Orders Not Being Recieved . . . .
Are any other players experiencing issues where orders after end of turn ARE NOT correlating with the orders you submitted? A couple of other players are saying “that’s not the orders I submitted” in more than one game and now I’ve experienced the same thing. I have 75+ games on this site under my belt and previously have calked up the incident as player error but this seems utterly peculiar to have actually been submitted under any circumstances.
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Zenetar (225 D)
12 May 11 UTC
cooperation against Western Tripple Allience
England/France/Germany (Western Triple)

I'm interested if there's a way to stop/block this allience without convincing its members to stab.
Can Austria, Russia, Italy and Turk stop them?
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Sicarius (673 D)
18 May 11 UTC
US cyberspace security plan
"hack us and we'll bomb you"
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rollerfiend (0 DX)
15 May 11 UTC
Rules for Drawing a Game?
At what point does a game become officially drawn, even if one of the parties has not voted that way. Is there a way to "force" a draw? (with a moderator's help perhaps?)
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mr.crispy (0 DX)
18 May 11 UTC
Wednesday Gunboat-3
I need to leave people, can we all draw. Like I REALLY need to leave.
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Oskar (100 D(S))
17 May 11 UTC
16hr WTA 50 point
Looking to fill in a few spots for the following game: gameID=59002

Post if you're interested.
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
18 May 11 UTC
New Elite Game
I just set up a WTA 143 point buy in (for a 1001 pot), the name is Legal's Mate, and it has a two day per turn period. Please join if you want to compete. http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=59191
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Invictus (240 D)
17 May 11 UTC
DISCUSS AGADIR CRISIS HERE
Utilize this thread by posting comments about Agadir Crisis here and only here.
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idealist (680 D)
18 May 11 UTC
1v1 games ads
anyone? links insde
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Stukus (2126 D)
17 May 11 UTC
Dark Press Dip
Just a reminder, twitter is here: http://twitter.com/#!/DarkPressDip PM me for password if you need it.
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Dunecat (5899 D)
13 May 11 UTC
Provocatively Ignorant Political Thread Title With Unnecessary Question Mark?
Tired and morally objectionable claim made in the thin veil of a poorly-worded question? Mention of pseudo-scientific evidence and popularity of ignorant belief, segueing into totally absurd conclusion about the world which I seek to defend at length because I've already made up my mind. What do you think?
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Riphen (198 D)
17 May 11 UTC
Put your selves in Turkeys Shoes.
gameID=59021

When I moved to Armenia what would you of thought?
Was I trying to stab? Or something else?
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6425skh (100 D)
17 May 11 UTC
World Game
So I have never played the World Map before. and I would like to get a game going, but unlike all the failed tries, I want this one to work and I want it to actually go off as scheduled. So please, if youre interested, join in. gameID=59132
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idealist (680 D)
15 May 11 UTC
3 weeks in U.K. by myself...
any suggestions on where i ought to go? (besides the 3 diplomacy cities) ;-]
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Stilgar42 (127 D)
17 May 11 UTC
WorlD
Join "World fun!"
....it will be fun
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
11 May 11 UTC
Boston F2F is almost here!
There's still time to sign up! We've got a *great* group of people but still need 6 more people; will you be one of them? On June 11-12, Boston is the place to be! Contact me at [email protected] if you want in!
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
17 May 11 UTC
Please Join Live Game
gameID=59076
There's the game ID, it's called Denouement, is a WTA with a 50 pt buy in. 5 minutes per turn, anonymous.
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Graeme01 (100 D)
17 May 11 UTC
a few more needed, starts in 14 hours
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Invictus (240 D)
17 May 11 UTC
DISCUSS AGADIR CRISIS HERE
Utilize this thread by posting comments about World War Two here and only here.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
16 May 11 UTC
http://projecteuler.net
Anyone here tried the puzzles there?
My friends been doing them this last year, and unfrotuantely today I made this mistake of trying some. The first few pages aren't hard, but as with any programming task they really eat away at free (/revision) time!
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