Ummm, it's over?

Nah. I meant why do we only have to talk about it here? Many events during WWII deserve their own threads.

this thread exists to redirect all WWII spamming/misdirection.

"but was _____ *really* justified?"

"by 1945 it was clear that ________ had *really* won the war. _______ was incidental at best."

"well you really don't seem to understand, probably because you don't have an intimate knowledge of _________'s supply lines like i do. let me enlighten you..."

i mean JESUS

Jesus was on our side.

Praise the Lord! For with his divine mercy we were able to annihilate everything that stood in the way of his gentle love...

I call Godwin's Law!

^^^

Most nazis were german but not all germans were nazis.

Germany sure of concentrated their forces in the Med and Rommel. Rommel could broken through and captured Egypt and the Suez Canal, German and Italian troops could of launched an invasion on Turkey, Cyprus, and the Middle East from Greece and Rhodes. With the Middle East Germany would captured vital supply of oil and would been able to launch a two front invasion on the USSR. I suppose that would mean a cold war with the USA/Britain vs Greater Germany that would later possible to today since I doubt the Nazis would not have an effienct economy.

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Airborne; how would a greater resource supply make the German economy more efficient? Their industrial production was a triumph of inefficiency, based as it was on coercion, slave labor, and mismanagement, as well as being often used simply to enrich the Nazi elite. I doubt the Turks and Arabs would have been more eager to support their autocratic conquerors than the French and Poles.

In comparsion to the USSR economy which was devasated by Germany, used brute force and numbers, poor leadership, bad technology base and almost always on the verge of stavation
In comparsion Nazi Germany which was alarmingly ahead of the Allies in rocketry, jet engines, tank construction, and submarine technology
Had some of the most intellgent sciencists (see Scramble for German Rocket Sciencists), and would control of the most industrized region of the world (Europe) and the oil rich Middle East.
Industrially Germany its self is a powerhouse on top of a vast empire giving resources to the center.

In other words, Germany would of been a dangerous more worthy foe than Ivan, possible in the long run would of beaten the Allies in a Cold War, we will never know thank God.

Airborne, I don’t know if you’ve consulted reality lately, but the USSR outproduced Germany by massive amounts throughout the war, despite the losses suffered in Barbarossa. It is true that the Nazis controlled the industrial output of most of Europe, but it was institutionally mismanaged and passively subverted by the workers whose countries, you may recall, had been conquered not so long before. The Soviets were simply better at forcing more and more production out of their factories, at the expense of the workers. As Stalin said, “Quantity has a quality all its own.” It is certainly true that Germany was greatly ahead in technological development, but as the Nazis found, a handful of Wunderwaffen cannot defeat an avalanche of T-34s.

would have** please.

and can we use grammar that is comprehensible?

What does this mean:
In comparsion to the USSR economy which was devasated by Germany, used brute force and numbers, poor leadership, bad technology base and almost always on the verge of stavation

I would prefer if we remain civil please

I mostly reference to Paul Kennedy's The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.
The Russians did outproduced the Germans only by applying almost everything into miltary production. Again, my point was if the Germans took the Caucasus and the Middle East, how would Russia hope to defeat the German without the proper supply of oil? Germany only started losing at the end because of poor logistics, Barbarossa was a horrible idea. Russia could afford to lose, Germany couldn't. Germany had almost no folllow up after the first strike and were in summer uniforms.
Germany could of easily overran the the middle east with 3 million troops and 3000 tanks in the open desert (assuming that the Germans put a smaller defensive force on the border) Ever read the What if? books? There is a essay in book one about a German Desert Storm, you can find it in a B&Ns

"Of the 11.6 horses in the occupied territory, 7 million were killed or taken away, as were 20 out of 23 million pigs, 137,000 tractors, 49,000 grain combines and large number of cowsheds and other farm building were destroyed...65,000 km of railway track loss or damaged, 428,000 goods wagons, 2,280 river boats, and hlaf of all the railway bridges....1.2 million houses were destoryd, as well as 3.5 million houses in rural areas."

http://books.google.com/books?id=z12X5GnOaKMC&pg=PA362&lpg=PA362&dq
For the whole quote.

Again I stress my point that if the Germans had more resources from the Middle East they would of been able to put up a better if not winning fight.

Airborne, I don’t know if you’ve consulted reality lately, but the USSR outproduced Germany by massive amounts throughout the war, despite the losses suffered in Barbarossa. It is true that the Nazis controlled the industrial output of most of Europe, but it was institutionally mismanaged and passively subverted by the workers whose countries, you may recall, had been conquered not so long before. The Soviets were simply better at forcing more and more production out of their factories, at the expense of the workers. As Stalin said, “Quantity has a quality all its own.” It is certainly true that Germany was greatly ahead in technological development, but as the Nazis found, a handful of Wunderwaffen cannot defeat an avalanche of T-34s.

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Ahem, it seems that you just repeated yourself for...whatever reason.
Again I must state my point it doesn't matter if the Russians have more T-34s if the Germans have control of the most important oil producing areas, the Russians cannot run the tanks as much as the Germans can. The Germans can use their tanks and planes more effectively, a piece of equipment is no good if it cannot be properly supplied. Bred, Fed, Led; The Russian army woon't be "Fed" oil to sustain a massive tank force (Bred) that can overwhelm the superior equiped, trained and "Led" Germans.