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11 Sep 08 UTC

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Draw Requested

All 4 remaining players agree to a draw on game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5162.

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30 Aug 08 UTC

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Police raid headquarters of "anarchist/anti-authoritarian" group at RNC

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/30/rnc.protest/index.html

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Sagefire135 (100

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Quick question

what do the crosses and checks mean by peoples names?

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valoishapsburg (314

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11 Sep 08 UTC

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Anyone here a die hard Meat Loaf Fan?

I love Meat Loaf! The singer. This has nothing to do with Diplomacy, but I'm curious.

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Obligations to ally when they don't submit moves

There are two scenarios. One is that the turn has ended with no moves from your ally. The other is the phase is about to expire and your ally hasn't logged in to submit moves. WHat do you do?

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abgemacht (1076

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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In need of some players!

A few of my friends that I play FTF with and I started a game, but we need a couple more people. Is anyone interested? No metagaming--promise.

The game is in my profile. Password: cipe

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Please pause this game Kestas

Hi Kestas,
Can you please put this game on hold for about 4 days?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4544
We have been battling hard for many years and now one player has had a problem submitting orders.
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Thucydides (864

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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How about spectator bets on games?

Maybe not for the normal Diplomacy points, but for something else. I don't know I think the idea is cool though. Betting on who you think will win. Too complicated and unecessary to incorporate as a feature though, I wager. I mean, I bet. I mean, I reckon. Lol how punny.

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Talus Proteus (1961

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Error?

I guess this question is for Kestas. I'm playing as England in the game "Happieness" and I think there might have been an error. I'm pretty sure one of my orders was a support hold from the English Channel to the Mid-Atlantic but it's not showing up on the post-season map. Is there a way to confirm what my orders were? Because I'm pretty sure my fleet in the Mid should have been able to withstand the attack with its support in the Channel.

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shayol_ghul (100

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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just some questions from a newbie

hey, i'm totally new to the game and there are some questions the tutorial left unanswered. I'd appreciate if someone could help.

1. Support Move. As I got it, the supporting unit has to be in an adjacent territory to the one where the supported unit starts its move. It does not matter if its adjacent to the target of the move. There is no point to move into a territory with two armies (from different sides etc). All of it correct?

2. Convoy. How does this work? The order refers to a sea territory I assume? Can I order an army to travel over that territory then? Does the territory have to be empty?

3. Move. What happens if two opposing armies move to the same territory? Do both get destroyed or do they just stand and stare at each other? What if there is a defending unit in this scenario(assuming both attacks are supported and would normally win the encounter)?

4. Retreat. When exactly does this occur and how does it work?

Is there a link to a more complex introduction or something?

Thanks in advance

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Negotiating and back stabbing

I recently played my first diplomacy game online. Could someone please help me with Diplomacy etiquette? Did I back stab another player on my second move?

spyman (424 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

I recently played my first diplomacy game online. Could someone please help me with Diplomacy etiquette. Did I back stab another player on my second move?

Most of the players were new so I don't think much negotiating went on before the first move - at least I didn't communicate with anyone.

I played Germany and opened with F(Kie)-Hol; A(Ber)-Kie; A(Mun)-Ruh. Before the Autumn move I received a message from England (who had played F(Lon)-Eng, F(Edi)-Nth and A(Lpl)-Yor telling me that I could not expect to take three SCs, and to allow him to take one of them - either Den or Bel.

I said maybe he could play F(Eng)-Bel if he also played F(Nth)-Nwy in order to stop Russa who had opened with F(StP)-Bot and A(Mos)-StP and was looking like picking up Swe and Nwy.

He replied that he would take Bel and that after that "we could think about taking on Russia together".

I replied "but will you attack Nwy"?

He didn't reply.

The turn time was drawing to an end and I hadn't heard back from him - plus he hadn't logged his orders. So I took Bel and Den in addition to Hol. England, on the other hand, did nothing. Russia didn't take Nwy - so it was there for the taking as per my suggestion, but his units just held their position.

The next day he sent me a message basically saying that I wasn't to be trusted. After that he ceased communication with me.

Did I back stab him? I don't think I did because he had not agreed to my conditions: namely, F(Nth)-Nwy. But then again I just understand how online deals work. Any advice please?

cgwhite32 (1465 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Simple answer, no!

You were in communication (of sorts), debating a deal. The fact that he didn't log in on time to submit his orders means that you were perfectly within your rights to move as you did.

He cannot expect that if he doesn't respond to your message, telling you what he thinks, before the turn is up, that you will hold on forever and do what he wants.

The sentence that worries me is this: "Most of the players were new so I don't think much negotiating went on before the first move - at least I didn't communicate with anyone."

Always, always, communicate! Your first moves are crucial - who do you ally with, who do you want to attack? Yes, go for the neutral centres, but as Germany, do you want to attack England, Russia or France? Are you allied with Austria?

Germany and Austria are the two most difficult and what I call 'press intensive' countries. By that I mean that you must write a lot and often to nearby neighbours to ensure that you get a feel for what they are doing and vice versa.

As for the English player, don't worry about it. Speak to France, and try and take him out! It's his bad manners, not yours, that are the problem.

sceptic_ka (100 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

You didn't stab him.
1. you never agreed to let him have Bel.
2. he didn't move to Bel, so you didn't deprive him of a SC
3. Even if you had promised to work together moving to Bel didn't direktly threaten him ot hurt him.

flashman (2274 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

I'd like to play with you spyman...

You have a clear moral centre and agonize over perceived slights. Everything I lack really.

spyman (424 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Thanks I feel so much better. Actually the game is on going (but not this site). After the first move I messaged most of the players just saying hi - alluding to possibility of being willing to negotiate. Apart from a polite hello back I haven't heard from the other players at all, which surprises me.
I don't know now whether to try for alliance with England (again) or talk to Russia. France did nothing first move (the first player quit without making a move).
But yes - talking and making deals with other players is what it is about.
Btw I am so glad to have discovered Diplomacy online - what an amazing game it is!

spyman (424 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Haha Flashman - you stole my name! I have been called Flashman since high school (a long time ago).
You are so right though. I shouldn't agonize, but I don't know the rules yet.

Treefarn (6094 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

'Stabbing' and 'eitquette' are in the eye of the beholder.

Archonix (246 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Personally I think a "Stab" connotates the intent of betrayal. Therefore if you didn't intend to cause him harm for your own gain it 'technically' wasn't a stab.

Etiquette is more or less defined as a system applied to social situations which creates 'right' and 'wrong'. Diplomacy Etiquette is very anarchaic in nature and therefore nothing is 'out of bounds'. The purpose of the game is to win by manipulating others, this often includes outright lying and playing opponents against each other. It kind of beats the point of etiquette to be honest. Possibly verbally abusing an opponent after a loss, physically assaulting someone in FtF and over the top gloating after a win would be against etiquette.

Etiquette within an alliance may be honoring predetermined aggreements, being open about your own intentions and confirming that its ok with your ally about movements that could be incendiary.

flashman (2274 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Another Flashman eh?

You are probably not as old as me, unfortunately.

I chose the name from the obvious source: the books, and because Sir Harry would have been familiar with the leaders and their representatives all over Europe at this time. Not to mention his gift for treachery and lechery etc...

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

As CG said, no.

Also, I like the term diplomacy etiquette. Seems to be rather paradoxical.

EdiBirsan (1469 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

First, in order to stab someone you have to be allied with them or have at least an agreement that is relatively clear.
Second, by being very lax in communication you are not likely to have any agreements in the first place
Third, when England opened to the Channel he was probably putting the screws to the French just as the Russians sending two units north (army Stp=>Mos) they were doing the same thing.
Your opening to Holland and Ruhr and kiel is generally seen as very hostile to France and friendly to the Russians by those who would look just at the pieces on the map.

spyman (424 )
10 Sep 08 UTC

Thanks for the insight both on stabbing and opening moves. I think now he was trying to manipulate me and that's fine. Not sure what to do now. It's a newbies game. I think Austria might have dropped out (before placing their reinforcement too!). Not happy about that as we would have made natural allies.
I had been playing Risk online (Facebook Attack) regularly until now - this game is a lot more sophisticated. I have much to learn.
Btw flashman - I know the books well. Harry Flashman is often a name I use online.

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Viva España!

90 to join. PPSC game.

Please join :)

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figer_Buenos_Aires (142

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Draw request in awesome-2

We are requesting a draw in awesome-2

The others will set theirs messages.

Thanks

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Wrong fleet deleted

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5426

I chose to destroy the fleet at the adriatic sea, not the one in Greece!
Is there any way I can change it?

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TheGhostmaker (1545

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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Leagues Please respond to the email

Group D is missing responces from Jaco and Shishuren
Group E is missing responces from alamothe, Ivo_Ivanov and Piazza.

Please resond within 24 hours or I shall give people on the waiting list your places.

Thank you.

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Question re convoys

To get a better sense of this question, you may want to refer to game 5300 (Turkey and Italy), Spring of 1907.

Turkey 'requested' that Italy assist in the convoy of a unit from Rome to Greece. Italy was located in the Tyrrhenian Sea at the time. Italy 'agreed'. But given the two nations' history during the game, Italy would have much rather slit Turkey's throat (or its own) rather than be of assistance.

Why is it not possible for Italy to agree to the convoy, but rather than actually sailing to the agreed upon destination to hand over the troops within her holds to the Turkish fleet in the Ionian, to either drop the Turkish troops over the side into Davey Jones' Locker, or at least strand them elsewhere (so long as this elsewhere were somewere that Italy could readily access)?

The way the game is set up, because army being convoyed defines the final destination, rather than all the intermediate steps to get it to its final destination. This could have implications in that a convoy could fail at any stage. Were a convoy to fail near the tail end of a multi step convoy, the forces in the fleet's hold could disembark at any unoccupied, readily accessible territory closer to the final destination, rather than remaining at its point of origin.

In the above example, Turkey defined the move of Rome to Greece via convoy, and the only possible monkey wrench open to the Italians was to fail to show up for the pick up. Which is what the Italians elected to do.

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synthesis8 (121

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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2 units retreating to same place

What happens if two different players attempt to a single unit to the same place? Does it simply fail (or do they disband), or if one player has an option to retreat elsewhere, will it simply move their unit to the other place?

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EdiBirsan (1469

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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Names and Identities

One of the underlining things in the current vogue of PbEMail game systems like this one is that players hide their identities as a matter of course. Being an old timer I find this rather odd. One of the really attractive aspects of the Diplomacy hobby was the social side of things. However, the main websites seems to attract people who are rather uptight about using their real name or having people know who they are. It is like playing the game anonymously and it loses so much of the charm and appeal of the game.
After all the key to a well played game of Diplomacy is the interaction between the people around the board not the faceless/anonymous handles or aliases of people.
Maybe it is a generational issue, and as a grandfather from the hobby's start I grew in the hobby where the idea that you were playing under a hidden name was not only strange but was normally against all the house rules of the zines/GM's that hosted the games. Yet people here seem to relish the anonymous aspect and become down right paranoid when you ask the simplest and oldest social question: Hi, I am ---- who are you?

If you had to play under your own name, how many would refuse to play?
Would playing under your own name make a major difference in the drop out rate here which seems to be a real major problem?

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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why no airplanes

there should be airplane unit that can move two time on a turn

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5590

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EdiBirsan (1469

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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What happens if you do not finalize

If you put in orders put do not finalize when the deadline comes will your orders be accepted or does finalize really mean to submit?

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Question re when are the SC tallies adjusted

When is the tally of supply centres under the control of a country updated?

If one refers to game 5412, after the moves have been successfuly adjudicated but prior to the builds, the tally of SCs under controlled by each country does not add up to what it should be.

Example - Italy has four SCs, but only three are reflected.
Austria-Hungary has seven SCs, but only six are reflected.

Are the tally's only updated once the builds have been finalized, and if so, why aren't the tallies adjusted as soon as it is clear that a SC is now under a nation's control?

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abgemacht (1076

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10 Sep 08 UTC

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Private Game Links

I just made a private game and I usually give the given link to people I want to join. For some reason, the link isn't complete. I think it's missing the www.phpdiplomacy.net part and nobody can join it. Is this a new feature or an error?

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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Miss the build, why?

Hello. Kestas,
ID5174, I have 3 build in this term, Army build in Paris, Army build in Mar, and Fleet build in Blast. but only one build in Paris. Can you build up back to me please. The order was very clear.Please.

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Blackheath Wanderer (0

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08 Sep 08 UTC

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Brown... Time to go?

BG as PM=0

Add one or delete one :)

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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what is meaning

what is civil disorder meaning

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08 Sep 08 UTC

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coz there are so many hong kong players on this site

CONGRATULATIONS to Emily Lau, Audrey Eu and Leung Kwok-hung!
the democrats won 23 of the 30 seats. im proud of you hongkong!

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Rasputin31 (100

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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Scientists on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp

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09 Sep 08 UTC

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wta

is anyone interested in a 100+ wta game?

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keeper0018 (100

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07 Sep 08 UTC

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how to change your email address...

???

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