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Xyathn (0 DX)
11 Sep 08 UTC
Draw Requested
All 4 remaining players agree to a draw on game: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5162.
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Treefarn (6094 D)
30 Aug 08 UTC
Police raid headquarters of "anarchist/anti-authoritarian" group at RNC
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/30/rnc.protest/index.html
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Sagefire135 (100 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Quick question
what do the crosses and checks mean by peoples names?
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valoishapsburg (314 D)
11 Sep 08 UTC
Anyone here a die hard Meat Loaf Fan?
I love Meat Loaf! The singer. This has nothing to do with Diplomacy, but I'm curious.
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Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Obligations to ally when they don't submit moves
There are two scenarios. One is that the turn has ended with no moves from your ally. The other is the phase is about to expire and your ally hasn't logged in to submit moves. WHat do you do?
Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
My question is in general, how do you handle it. In my particular situation, my ally actually went into CD, so I took a few of his open centers. The same guy came back and submitted orders, and I'd like to work with him but he refuses to talk. I tried to explain that anyone could have taken over his country with no obligations to me, and that I had open SCs in jeopardy too. But he didn't seem to care. Oh well.
Archonix (246 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
You have no obligations ultimately.

If someone leaves the game in CD you should give no quarter and they shouldn't expect any. It is completely up to him whether or not he wants to renegotiate your alliance though. I assume you'd be in different positions in relation to each other anyways, maybe an alliance isn't in his interests anymore.
Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
I think the issue for him is that he feels I stabbed him. I think it would be in his interests (just an opinion of course) but he cant get past the 'stab'.
MadMarx (36299 D(G))
10 Sep 08 UTC
As far as I'm concerned, your ally missing orders compromises your success and is thus a stab in itself. For an ally to go into CD is a major stab, something that would be difficult for me to forgive that ally for doing and therefore taking a few supply centers seems perfectly reasonable to me and should be expected. Honestly, he should be thanking you for you considering to work with him again, after him being such a poor excuse for an ally and abandoning you for a few seasons!!

That said, the fact that you do want to work with that person again suggests you are in a subserviant position to him (oh, wait, this is Treefarn, I'm guessing you expect him to be subserviant to him and he doesn't want to be your whipping boy?!?!) and/or your success hinges on that person being an ally. In that case, I can see why that person would be upset and think you stabbed him... Ultimately, it all depends on the exact situation, it's hard to make blanket statements about these things...
Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
You never miss an opportunity to make things personal, do you Madmarx?

No, i am not subservient. I have more SCs, position and power. The alliance just makes sense for me.
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Treefarn - you are fine. If he hasn't logged in on time to submit orders, and you can (sensibly) take advantage, why not? It's his fault, not yours.

He has every right to feel agrieved, but cannot really question your moves.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
I would have probably acted the same way as you did Treefarn. Once your ally went CD this is a different game - the player who joins in (even if it is the same guy) should look at the map, see the positions, and if he decided to join he starts anew.
Being grumpy about you not keeping your agreement with the previous player is just as reasonable as your new girffriend being upset that you didn't keep a promise to your previous one :)
cgwhite32 (1465 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Hmmm. Not sure about that analogy Ivo...
Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Its like your girlfriend was missing and presumed dead and you started using her car. 2 years later she turns up alive and is pissed because you painted her car.
Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
I agree - not a very good analogy. Still, I stand by the argument that once someone has went CD it's a whole new game.
I am now in a game that I will lose because I kept supporting a missing ally, he eventually went CD, a new guy took over and immediately attacked me. I had 8 centers and he had 4, now I have 2 and he has 11 :)
I didn't do anything wrong - au contraire - tried to stay loyal - and I will not make the same mistake again :). Whoever's missing is the guily one and has no right to complain :)
Ursa (1617 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
I had somewhat the same situation in a game with Ivo_Ivanov (not him dropping out, however). It's still a Realpolitik game: I went talking to my enemies and turning allegiance. Too bad for my former ally, but alas - the show must go on.
Treefarn (6094 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
LOL. My former ally missed another turn. Glad he didnt let me work with him.
Abydos1 (100 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Just make sure you know that just because someone hasn't finalized their orders doesn't mean they haven't submitted a set; I had someone stab me and claim he did it because I hadn't finalized my orders when I had input a set of orders but didn't have a chance to come back and review and finalize them.
EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
10 Sep 08 UTC
This is one of the reasons you exchange emails and establish contact.
I have even posted my phone number out to my allies so that they can call
me if they want. Then if this happens they could call me and see what is up.

Ivo_ivanov (7545 D)
11 Sep 08 UTC
Hmm, aren't you taking it a bit too serious?
ER number for Diplomacy :)
DeliciousWolf (112 D)
11 Sep 08 UTC
I believe it's more like your girlfriend was missing and presumed dead, and using her car and sleeping with her sister and best friend IN IT...oh wait, this is turning into Jerry Springer
DeliciousWolf (112 D)
11 Sep 08 UTC
....anyways, my girlfriend still hasn't forgiven me for that, despite my many explanations of 'CD' :P


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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Sep 08 UTC
In need of some players!
A few of my friends that I play FTF with and I started a game, but we need a couple more people. Is anyone interested? No metagaming--promise.

The game is in my profile. Password: cipe
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MajorFopa (1409 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
Please pause this game Kestas
Hi Kestas,
Can you please put this game on hold for about 4 days?
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=4544
We have been battling hard for many years and now one player has had a problem submitting orders.
...
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Sep 08 UTC
How about spectator bets on games?
Maybe not for the normal Diplomacy points, but for something else. I don't know I think the idea is cool though. Betting on who you think will win. Too complicated and unecessary to incorporate as a feature though, I wager. I mean, I bet. I mean, I reckon. Lol how punny.
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Talus Proteus (1961 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Error?
I guess this question is for Kestas. I'm playing as England in the game "Happieness" and I think there might have been an error. I'm pretty sure one of my orders was a support hold from the English Channel to the Mid-Atlantic but it's not showing up on the post-season map. Is there a way to confirm what my orders were? Because I'm pretty sure my fleet in the Mid should have been able to withstand the attack with its support in the Channel.
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shayol_ghul (100 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
just some questions from a newbie
hey, i'm totally new to the game and there are some questions the tutorial left unanswered. I'd appreciate if someone could help.

1. Support Move. As I got it, the supporting unit has to be in an adjacent territory to the one where the supported unit starts its move. It does not matter if its adjacent to the target of the move. There is no point to move into a territory with two armies (from different sides etc). All of it correct?

2. Convoy. How does this work? The order refers to a sea territory I assume? Can I order an army to travel over that territory then? Does the territory have to be empty?

3. Move. What happens if two opposing armies move to the same territory? Do both get destroyed or do they just stand and stare at each other? What if there is a defending unit in this scenario(assuming both attacks are supported and would normally win the encounter)?

4. Retreat. When exactly does this occur and how does it work?

Is there a link to a more complex introduction or something?

Thanks in advance
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spyman (424 D(G))
10 Sep 08 UTC
Negotiating and back stabbing
I recently played my first diplomacy game online. Could someone please help me with Diplomacy etiquette? Did I back stab another player on my second move?
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Hat-trick (0 DX)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Viva España!
90 to join. PPSC game.

Please join :)
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Draw request in awesome-2
We are requesting a draw in awesome-2

The others will set theirs messages.

Thanks
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scaael04 (100 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
Wrong fleet deleted
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5426

I chose to destroy the fleet at the adriatic sea, not the one in Greece!
Is there any way I can change it?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
Leagues Please respond to the email
Group D is missing responces from Jaco and Shishuren
Group E is missing responces from alamothe, Ivo_Ivanov and Piazza.

Please resond within 24 hours or I shall give people on the waiting list your places.

Thank you.
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Yaniv (1323 D(S))
10 Sep 08 UTC
Question re convoys
To get a better sense of this question, you may want to refer to game 5300 (Turkey and Italy), Spring of 1907.

Turkey 'requested' that Italy assist in the convoy of a unit from Rome to Greece. Italy was located in the Tyrrhenian Sea at the time. Italy 'agreed'. But given the two nations' history during the game, Italy would have much rather slit Turkey's throat (or its own) rather than be of assistance.

Why is it not possible for Italy to agree to the convoy, but rather than actually sailing to the agreed upon destination to hand over the troops within her holds to the Turkish fleet in the Ionian, to either drop the Turkish troops over the side into Davey Jones' Locker, or at least strand them elsewhere (so long as this elsewhere were somewere that Italy could readily access)?

The way the game is set up, because army being convoyed defines the final destination, rather than all the intermediate steps to get it to its final destination. This could have implications in that a convoy could fail at any stage. Were a convoy to fail near the tail end of a multi step convoy, the forces in the fleet's hold could disembark at any unoccupied, readily accessible territory closer to the final destination, rather than remaining at its point of origin.

In the above example, Turkey defined the move of Rome to Greece via convoy, and the only possible monkey wrench open to the Italians was to fail to show up for the pick up. Which is what the Italians elected to do.
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synthesis8 (121 D)
10 Sep 08 UTC
2 units retreating to same place
What happens if two different players attempt to a single unit to the same place? Does it simply fail (or do they disband), or if one player has an option to retreat elsewhere, will it simply move their unit to the other place?
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
09 Sep 08 UTC
Names and Identities
One of the underlining things in the current vogue of PbEMail game systems like this one is that players hide their identities as a matter of course. Being an old timer I find this rather odd. One of the really attractive aspects of the Diplomacy hobby was the social side of things. However, the main websites seems to attract people who are rather uptight about using their real name or having people know who they are. It is like playing the game anonymously and it loses so much of the charm and appeal of the game.
After all the key to a well played game of Diplomacy is the interaction between the people around the board not the faceless/anonymous handles or aliases of people.
Maybe it is a generational issue, and as a grandfather from the hobby's start I grew in the hobby where the idea that you were playing under a hidden name was not only strange but was normally against all the house rules of the zines/GM's that hosted the games. Yet people here seem to relish the anonymous aspect and become down right paranoid when you ask the simplest and oldest social question: Hi, I am ---- who are you?

If you had to play under your own name, how many would refuse to play?
Would playing under your own name make a major difference in the drop out rate here which seems to be a real major problem?
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Bumbly (100 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
why no airplanes
there should be airplane unit that can move two time on a turn
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CATS (100 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=5590
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EdiBirsan (1469 D(B))
10 Sep 08 UTC
What happens if you do not finalize
If you put in orders put do not finalize when the deadline comes will your orders be accepted or does finalize really mean to submit?
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Yaniv (1323 D(S))
10 Sep 08 UTC
Question re when are the SC tallies adjusted
When is the tally of supply centres under the control of a country updated?

If one refers to game 5412, after the moves have been successfuly adjudicated but prior to the builds, the tally of SCs under controlled by each country does not add up to what it should be.

Example - Italy has four SCs, but only three are reflected.
Austria-Hungary has seven SCs, but only six are reflected.

Are the tally's only updated once the builds have been finalized, and if so, why aren't the tallies adjusted as soon as it is clear that a SC is now under a nation's control?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Sep 08 UTC
Private Game Links
I just made a private game and I usually give the given link to people I want to join. For some reason, the link isn't complete. I think it's missing the www.phpdiplomacy.net part and nobody can join it. Is this a new feature or an error?
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mansea (2945 DX)
09 Sep 08 UTC
Miss the build, why?
Hello. Kestas,
ID5174, I have 3 build in this term, Army build in Paris, Army build in Mar, and Fleet build in Blast. but only one build in Paris. Can you build up back to me please. The order was very clear.Please.
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
08 Sep 08 UTC
Brown... Time to go?
BG as PM=0

Add one or delete one :)
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Bumbly (100 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
what is meaning
what is civil disorder meaning
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sean (3490 D(B))
08 Sep 08 UTC
coz there are so many hong kong players on this site
CONGRATULATIONS to Emily Lau, Audrey Eu and Leung Kwok-hung!
the democrats won 23 of the 30 seats. im proud of you hongkong!
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Rasputin31 (100 D)
09 Sep 08 UTC
Scientists on the Verge of Creating New Form of Life
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/09/biologists-on-t.html?npu=1&mbid=yhp
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alamothe (3367 D(B))
09 Sep 08 UTC
wta
is anyone interested in a 100+ wta game?
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keeper0018 (100 D)
07 Sep 08 UTC
how to change your email address...
???
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