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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
12 Jan 16 UTC
Ancient Med Game
Posting for an anonymous game taking signups.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Jan 16 UTC
Meanwhile in Germany...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-sex-assaults-refugees-attacked-by-mob-german-police-say-a6805531.html
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
11 Jan 16 UTC
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R.I.P David
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/arts/music/david-bowie-dies-at-69.html?_r=0

You will be missed.
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
10 Jan 16 UTC
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Rename PPSC/SwS
I think PVED would be a reasonable name. Proportional Victory, Equal Draw
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
23 Dec 15 UTC
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Un-Ranked High Class Game
I promised A_Tin_Can that if he ever got unranked games set up I'd play one with him. Peterwiggin, Zultar, captainmeme, and Hellenic Riot are also guaranteed spots in this game if they want. Anyone else please post inside with interest. (More info inside)
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BlackJackP74 (263 D)
11 Jan 16 UTC
Turkish Opening and Mid-Game Tips
This is the kind of thread where, frankly, I am stuck. I need some ideas on how to survive, thrive and keep chugging forward as Turkey from Spring 1902 to the mid-game (whenever that might be). Thanks in advance for replying.
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 Jan 16 UTC
If every single person simply...
Cancelled their health insurance nationwide. All opted out of the deadlines. The IRS would be backlogged with fines and paperwork for 36 years. Thats how you could get rid of Obamacare if everyone really wanted too.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Jan 16 UTC
EVE
I got 3 months of EVE for $9.99, so I'll be romping around Essence if anyone wants to drop by to say hi. I go by J vanToch.
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brainbomb (290 D)
03 Jan 16 UTC
My ex has decided to talk to me
So New Year New Me. My ex fiancee has decided its a new year so its a good time to explain why I was ghosted. Apparently all of its her fualt. What a shocker. Happy new year!
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MohawkFox (100 D)
10 Jan 16 UTC
OpenFox - Open Game
Back to pure old Diplomacy. Open game, no restrictions, endless fun! Join now: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=172473 :-)
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
10 Jan 16 UTC
Any other comic book fans?
So I was curious if there are any other comic book fans? just looking for some wasted time and figured why not talk about comics.
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josunice (3702 D(S))
10 Jan 16 UTC
Gunboat 36 hour @101 buyin
gameID=172310 Draw Size Scoring, in case you care (GRIN)...
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ssorenn (0 DX)
10 Jan 16 UTC
Unranked games
while not opposed to these, and feel they have a place on this site, How do you mentally get involved with no incentive for gain?
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
10 Jan 16 UTC
Gobbledydook Unranked Challenge
Thought I wanted to give Unranked a try.
Accepting high level players for an Unranked full press game.
Interested candidates please post below. A high GR would be an advantage. The successful applicant will have the opportunity to play with one of the most veteran players of this site.
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RiddlerRoo (70 DX)
07 Jan 16 UTC
the ladies....
is a month too soon to move in with a chick?
curious for opinions guys

Had 5 dates in first 6 days and has been intense over first month since ;-)
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josunice (3702 D(S))
09 Jan 16 UTC
Gunboat 36 hour @200 buyin
Looking to ease back in - come join! gameID=171983
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Octavious (2701 D)
09 Jan 16 UTC
Waes Hael!
All the best to everyone wassailing today! Even the God damned mummers!
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wpfieps (442 D)
09 Jan 16 UTC
New Coke
WTA/SoS is to New Coke as PPSC/SWS is to Coca-cola Classic.

As for me, I'd just prefer to have a Pepsi (and WTA/DSS)
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
08 Jan 16 UTC
PPSC > WTA
You're soaking in it!


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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
03 Jan 16 UTC
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Let's all work together...
So I had an idea we could maybe, as a community, do a vDip crossover tournament; or even just make games on vDip and advertise them over here.... it would help both our sites. Maybe we could start by posting any vDip game links here of games we are trying to start
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NewlyUnemployed (100 D)
08 Jan 16 UTC
Fast Paced game...lets goooo
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=172342#gamePanel

WOOOOOO who is ready
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TartaDeQueso (494 D)
08 Jan 16 UTC
Unspoken rules on webDip
I'm new to webDip so... Are there any unspoken or gentleman rules that I should know?
Also more specifically: Are there any related with what to do and when to end a game if there are afks?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
08 Jan 16 UTC
Math Question
How is it possible for my RR to go down between yesterday and today if I havent CD or NMR in that time? it was only by 1% but seriously I have been playing few games and loyally playing them all. Is there like an adjudication period for RR?
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brainbomb (290 D)
08 Jan 16 UTC
Day 7 no cigs
God this is torture. I thought it was supposed to be 3 days and you are good.
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
An expansion of Conceal and Carry Laws
I dont see why I should be shunned for towing around my katyusha rocket launcher as long as there is a blanket covering it. Isnt this still conceal and carry? It should be within my 2nd Amendment rights to have a bazooka that fires mini nukes as well.
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Heffomite (973 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
Donations
How do you make a donation to help with the costs of running the sit? Couldn't find it on the FAQ page.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
06 Jan 16 UTC
Security Software
The free period of Norton Security that came with my laptop will end in seven days. My question: what's the best thing to do next? I could stick with Norton for €10 for the first year or I could pick something different.
I'm willing to pay €10, but I don't have a clue what's good and what's bad so if there's something better or equally good for free or the same price, I'd love to hear. I want to know the best option, basically.
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shield (3929 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
News app - only major events
I'm looking for a newsfeed/news app that only reports major disruptive events as they are breaking news... ie 9/11, Katrina wiping out new orleans, n Korea testing h bombs, etc. tried googling this a bit and wasnt satisfied. Does anyone have recommendations?
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
05 Jan 16 UTC
I'm experiencing two browser problems:
1. Chrome won't open
2. Other browsers won't load Hotmail in a reasonable time. Every other site tried so far works great. Steam browser load Hotmail fast as well, but to start a game so I can use the steam browser every time I want to access my email..

Does anyone have a clue what's going on?
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
06 Jan 16 UTC
Do pseudonyms harm the hobby? An interesting letter in Diplomacy World.
I was reading through the most recent edition of Diplomacy World when I came across the following letter (see the post below). Having only just started to play in proper FTF games, it's not something that had really occurred to me before.

Does using a pseudonym take an important element out of the game? I'd be most interested to hear the opinions of those who are/were involved in FTF scenes, although anyone is welcome to comment.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
06 Jan 16 UTC
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Thaddeus Black

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Dear Editor:

When in 1996 I first played e-mail Diplomacy on Ken Lowe's automated Judge, online play was by today's standards a primitive affair. You began by registering, submitting your real name along with your e-mail address to the Judge's administrator. You hid behind no alias (I doubt that it occurred to many of us to try). You had theretofore used your real name in postal Diplomacy, after all, else how would the post office have delivered your mail?

The early 21st-century world of Google, Facebook and the online identity thief, in which every act might accrete to one's trivially searchable permanent record, had not then arrived. We had no inkling of it. Even Diplomacy World existed (as you better than anyone know) on unelectronic paper alone.

By 1996, the digital revolution had indeed begun, yet who among us fathomed the threat it would one day pose to privacy? I did not fathom the threat, at any rate. A sobering thought: In 1967, when I was born, one enjoyed perhaps more privacy, less potential notoriety, if one's name appeared in The Wall Street Journal, than if one's name appears in Diplomacy World today.

Do you remember the days in which, if you were male and were old enough to have subscribed to telephone service, your name and address automatically appeared in the local telephone directory? You did not worry much about this. Now you have a cell phone and no one can look you up. How things have changed!

In Diplomacy, it is now normal to play online under an undignified alias like (these are actual examples of players with whom I am unacquainted) 2ndWhiteLine, VashtaNeurotic, Hellenic Riot and DeathLlama8. And who can blame such players, really? At my age, maybe it no longer much matters, but if I were today a university undergraduate, 30 years younger, I would hardly wish to post my real name in a gaming forum for future employers to google. Would you?

I do not say that my generation had more taste at that age. Maybe we had less. At least, though, we had our real names to use. Using one's real name, who would abandon a game in progress? Some did abandon, of course; many did not. After all, one had one's good name to protect.

The past was admittedly never so fine as memory makes it. The past use of real names once intensified conflicts, maybe. The controversial John Beshara became a fixture of the hobby, and a lightning rod. The controversial DeathLlama8? Not so much.

But still, when plain names have given way to awkward aliases, something worth preserving has been lost.

I have no answers. Have you?

I have a name, though, and even an address, with which I still have the privilege to sign,

Thaddeus H. Black
4042 Eggleston Road
Pearisburg, Virginia 2413
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[[I have no answers either, but I certainly agree with you. If I tried I could list somewhere between 100 and 200 people I consider friends – or close friends – that I found through my years in the Diplomacy hobby but whom I still have never met face to face. The minimization of the game from THE GAME, and the hobby from THE HOBBY, is a sad realization for most of us who remember the excitement of postal zines, and the personality that flowed from the pages, the postal letters, the subzines, the countless house parties. I don’t think this is a case of “good old days syndrome.” I think we need to do whatever we can to bring the personal side of Diplomacy back into the hobby, ehether you’re playing face-to-face or on a website.

How to do that is the real question. There are still a few zines out there, including mine and Jim Burgess’ if you just want to start with Diplomacy World staff members, and in there we try to include plenty of non-Diplomacy material. But there must be others ways?]]
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
06 Jan 16 UTC
http://www.diplomacyworld.net/pdf/dw132.pdf <- Link to the Diplomacy World zine.
beniliusbob (0 DX)
06 Jan 16 UTC
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I think that online handles still acquire personality in exactly the same way that real names do... I have specifically contacted players on this site who I enjoyed playing with to start new games, and I also have a (very short) blacklist of people who I thought were poor sports. This happens even if that pseudonymous player is doubly pseudonymous in an anonymous game: "Russia" becomes "captainmeme" and Russia's play becomes captainmeme's play, and on that basis I may want to play with him/her again!

I think there's a cognitive bias towards things experienced on the Internet. There was a movie about the Pirate Bay trials where the prosecutors ask one of the guys, very obnoxiously, "And did you know him I-R-L?" (drawing out the abbreviation), and the PB guy responds, "We think that the Internet is real life." I think that the I play real Diplomacy games with real people on webDip.

But I think you might be talking about something else, which is a community of hobbyists engaging in non-hobby-related behaviour - for example, Diplomacy players getting together to play Agricola or go bowling or do heroine or whatever. That's something I don't have a lot of experience with so my comment is probably irrelevant.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
06 Jan 16 UTC
webDiplomacy did not invent anonymity and neither did the Internet. I can see what Thaddeus is trying to say by writing this piece, and I applaud him for articulating his own personal values, but implying that the use of pseudonyms is harming the hobby is a bit misguided.

Having never used one of these early adjudication judges, I can't say with any degree of certainty how it worked, but I'm fairly sure that it didn't involve posting real names in multiple locations across hundreds of search engine indexed websites. The Internet has always had a deep respect for anonymity (whether that is to its detriment is not for me to say) but I would generously call the anonymous nature of most websites to be one of the unwritten rules of the Internet. As the New Yorker once put it, "on the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog." However, there are legitimate privacy issues with putting your real name on the Internet. Myself being a teacher, I would hesitate to use my real name in an easily found online forum, but using a pseudonym (even one as "undignified" as 2ndWhiteline) I'm much more comfortable playing online, especially given the amount of crap that I've posted on this site over the past 3.5 years.

Arguably, I'd say that the Internet has made Diplomacy more popular and more convenient to play than ever. However, as I'm sure most of you would agree, online is no replacement for FTF. You can play as many 15 minute phase games as you want, but there is no substitute for the face to face environment and you most certainly don't play the same way you would if you were looking another player in the eye. It takes a greater level of Diplomacy tact and talent (maybe a different type altogether?) to succeed in a FTF game.

In response to this article, I'll pose a question: do you actually play Diplomacy as yourself? Are you really the same person who steps up to a Diplomacy board? Or is the very act of playing Diplomacy adopting a persona who happens to share a name with your regular, everyday person?

I've had the pleasure of meeting several webDippers in real life and can safely say that most of them are nothing like their online personality would indicate. ssorenn, for example, is actually a pretty good guy and not at all like the asshole he plays online. abgemacht is much more intelligent and funny than he would let on. (However, Valis is still definitely Valis). However, I know exactly what to expect when I join a full press game with these players. Is it any different playing FTF? I don't think so. I know plenty of players who turn into a complete jerk during a game who are otherwise more subdued and polite otherwise.

The bottom line is that I don't think a real name or pseudonym makes a bit of difference. Different environments mean a different game, but you can never be quite sure who you're playing at any given time.



jmo1121109 (3812 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
"The Internet has always had a deep respect for anonymity"

I couldn't disagree more. The internet is inherently an information sharing platform which is inherently at odds with anonymity and security.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
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who wants to give their real name and address on the internet if you don't have to? lots of people out there with anger issues. no thanks.
Claesar (4660 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
I'd like to think I'm the same F2F and online. I don't think anyone can verify that though.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
I will say that in the most entertaining games I have played on this site with the best of the best we have ended up exchanging names (non anon games) and it's made the game more interesting and enjoyable.
2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
06 Jan 16 UTC
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The most entertaining games on this site are the ones where goldie #getsrekt
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
06 Jan 16 UTC
http://i.imgur.com/6Cdo30A.gifv
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
06 Jan 16 UTC
My earliest experience with online Diplomacy was using an email-judging system back in like 2005-2006. It kind of sucked. Then I found Diplomacy by deNes (an old Dutch Diplomacy site using their own system), which was much better and let you build up a knowledge of who you played with, etc. Facebook Diplomacy and webDiplomacy came a bit later.

I don't think using an online handle or "pseudonym (what an archaic term for the context)" harms the game.

My F2F experience is pretty limited. It's been almost 10 years since I've played a game F2F. Last time was back in middle or high school when I used to play with thehamster (who is the worst) and some other guys from our school. I didn't enjoy it all that much to be honest, besides the continual stabbing of Austria by Italy in every game.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
06 Jan 16 UTC
This is why I hate anon games.

I see no problem with handles though. They don't change and so you can easily associate them with a person. Who cares if that isn't their "real" name.

I know ss, krellin, jamiet, bo, Valis. I know how they play, I know what they like and don't like. I also know about them as people, to some extent, some more than others. I don't think anything is lost by not knowing their real names. Hell, I've *met* bo and still have no idea what his name is. He's bo to me and that's OK.
Ogion (3882 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
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For example, which of you would want to play me if you knew I am a dog?
SunRa (1049 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
I know a few that are/used to be big guns f2f that loved beeing able to hide behind an alias. A place to play the game without hearing, well your the ex world champ, was a great deal for them. Then some build a name online and still got it, but not for their ftf wins.
ssorenn (0 DX)
06 Jan 16 UTC
Tell me what I like, Abge!!!!!
wpfieps (442 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
woof woof
Yay, I was mentioned in a letter to captainmeme. Also, my alias is undignified?
Randomizer (722 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
When I started playing it was in face to face table top games where among the players there were 5 named John or Jon. We mostly used aliases to help easily differentiate players and a few rarely used their real names and in some cases no one bothered to remember their real names.

A real name or alias is just a way to keep track of information associated with the name.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
06 Jan 16 UTC
I should note this wasn't a letter to me. It's an open letter to the editor of Diplomacy World.
A_Tin_Can (2234 D)
06 Jan 16 UTC
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How do we know you're not the editor of Diplomacy World? Captainmeme is just a pseudonym.
wjessop (100 DX)
07 Jan 16 UTC
Sirius Black, Animagus wizard and godfather to Harry Potter!

Regulus Black, younger brother of Sirius Black, former Death-Eater and destroyer of the first horcrux!

And now...

Meet their older brother in...The Adventures of Thaddeus Black!
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
07 Jan 16 UTC
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I'll have you know the my username is one of the more dignified aspects of my personality! ;)

I'm fairly open with my real name solely because (despite many attempts by certain people :D), the sites connected to my real life (Facebook etc) can't be found from it. There is no way in a million years I would openly post my address anywhere online though. I've seen far too many people do that and seriously regret it. The internet is a hive of trolls and of surveillance. Anonymity is a necessary protection from the former and a halfway protection from the latter. I enjoy games on the internet. I do not necessarily want everyone in my town to know that.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
07 Jan 16 UTC
For what it's worth, I can't do well at all at Face to Face Diplomacy. I pretty much require anonymity to be any good at the sport. I'm good at another social game - mafia - until I've played a couple of games with people, after which I'm always an early elimination.
I like usernames. And anonymous games. And F2F.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
one thing i've learned from being alive -- the previous generation is always throwing rocks at the way the new gen is doing things -- and the new one whips them right back.
dirge (768 D(B))
07 Jan 16 UTC
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It is interesting how much value Mr. Black puts on names and having "a good name." Seems a bit archaic to me, as in, even before my time. I think an interesting difference of anon games that you can never really achieve in F2F, is you don't know the history and skill of your opponents and you have no pre-existing obligations or enmity in the course of playing the game.

You may find this better or worse, but it is a difference. In face to face, I am playing against, maybe, a good friend, then a colleague I secretly detest and several people I've never met before. Does this effect my choices and strategies? Probably.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
you are right dirge. there is no right or wrong way to play, F2F, anon, public. Just different games and strategies. Play different for the type of game you are in, problem solved.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
Mr. Black sounds like my father in law complaining about kids and their text messages.
ishirkmywork (1401 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
my previous post sounded a bit harsh. my point is, tech changes. i've played a hundred diplomacy games this year (my first year on this site.) previously I'd played a handful of F2F and mail games. Hard to compare dip players before internet and after. Reading old magazine articles about diplomacy, the real seasoned players had a couple dozen games under their belts at the most. I for one, am glad for the chance to engage in fun and strategy with hundreds of different people on a frequent and regular basis, all thanks to my slightly anonymous username.
TheMinisterOfWar (553 D)
07 Jan 16 UTC
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I value my privacy enormously. Hell, the best cheater hunter this site has known could only discover my surname once I started linking my FTF events to webdip. I do think times have changed and anonimity is necessary to a degree. And I don't think it's "harming" the hobby. I think there is a sense of nostalgia becoming the norm. Yes, the hobby is changing, but for good reason. The world is changing.

Having said that, I think there is a lot to be said for having the highest league of competitive Diplomacy entirely on real name. It would be ludicrous to participate in the WDC as TheMinisterOfWar, and not under my real name. For many different reasons.
For one, I think it makes cheating harder and less attractive. For online play, cheating is always a very real affair (hopefully not visible to most players most of the time, but it's there). We've had some quite high-profile players on this site too that turned out to have been cheating. The risk of this is severely reduced if all players are known and named individuals.
Second, competitive Diplomacy is a mind sport just like many others. Chess tournaments or Go tournaments are in essence the same. The nicknames suggest somehow that Diplomacy is a lesser, more shameful sport. I disagree. Note that I distinguish quite strongly from casual play, which is more akin a simple boardgame, and *needs* anonymity as an option.

I for one would love to have a top league of players who play named games on this site. We all know that webDip is already a very competitive place, where we play many high-level tournaments. I would love to go the extra mile, and even register our tournaments at the World Diplomacy Database. Currently, it's only the nicknames that prevent this.

tl;dr; I think real names have a place in competitive Diplomacy. Just not for any of the reasons mentioned in the original letter.
I don't use a handle here, and I don't think it makes any difference to my recognizability. I don't know who John Beshara is, but I bet that names like Draugnar or MadMarx will cause the same amount of instant name recognition and association within this community.


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