I mean, it doesn't really matter. Gunboat isn't diplomacy.

"Using the Pause or Cancel buttons as signals to other players is violating the press rules. For example, voting pause to signal the desire for a smaller draw is not allowed. If you need a pause in a gunboat game contact the moderators (see below for the contact details) and explain why. "

Please send future instances of this to [email protected]

@gavrilop, there will not be a software solution, but if people follow procedure and email us the problem will be reduced and eventually eliminated. Not all cases are solved in a week.

Oh, apologies, I wasn't suggesting it was being used as a signal, but I just find it annoying when all players but one show "draw" and one shows "cancel."

"I mean, it doesn't really matter. Gunboat isn't diplomacy."

Well said Yawni, you are so right. It might be on a Diplomacy website, have the same countries, the same maps, the same rules of play, the same time frames, all these things are done to fool the weak and poor and stupid into thinking it actually is Diplomacy but it is not.
Let me guess what is Diplomacy Yawn-Yawn, what you prefer to play, am I right?
Why don't you tell us all about yourself, I bet it would be fascinating (yawn, yawn)

Here's an idea, when a game starts with a CD or multiple CDs......gasp....cancel it.

Then start over. lol

But Gen. Lee, that's just too hard for some feeble minds.

I totally think you should cancel it if the game ends after a few turns because of a CD, and it's not just about GR's or whatever, but it's because the game can't be played - it hasn't been played to a draw. The only reason everyone else wants to draw is because they are desperate to get a cheap point off the CD, and that isn't something to promote at all!

I just vote draw and cancel if it's unfinished. Problem solved :P

Noob ?
Whats GR ( ghost rating) but whats that?

http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist

Yours is pretty good already.

I said "Cancel After 1902" - I'm all in favor of cancelling at the start if there are *any* CDs (and I *always* vote cancel if anyone misses the start of the game.) What I'm saying is if I've had to be in a game until 1902 because other players won't cancel, then I've invested time in the game and I'll take the points for my trouble. Players sweating their Ghost "Ranking" make it a worse waste of time! I don't care about GR, attack, attack, attack!

Oh thanks for link.
Thats à nice thing elo based rankings been talked about in f2f as long as i been around (93)

but let's have a situation where in 1903 the biggest power is banned or CDs, isn't it sensible EVEN THEN to cancel the game? I don't think a ban or a CD necessarily means a cancel, but I do think if it really changes the shape of the game a cancel is a fair option, just because you still haven't played the game to a draw and can't truly play it out. You should, I suppose, be able to draw it if everyone there decides they want the points for their trouble, but I still think an insistence on cancelling is fair enough....

"The only reason everyone else wants to draw is because they are desperate to get a cheap point off the CD, and that isn't something to promote at all! "

No it isn't you dick, I want to DRAW so I can find out what twat CD'ed, does anyone really give a toss about points, does it really make a big difference to your life ??
An overwhelming majority of the best games I've had have been for 5 each ......

@NBabee How many points I've staked totally influences how I play! Some of my favorite games have been defeats where I only bet 5 or fewer points, but wreaked havoc. Of course, a few minutes ago I read up on how the "Ghost Ranking" works and those defeats count as much as my gains in higher stakes games.... lol.

Anyway if Ghost Ranking is going to be a factor in other people's play, then that affects me, so I've got to get out a spreadsheet and figure out ways to cause pain to people who care about Ghost Ranking. When I see someone voting "cancel" in 1905, I now know it's the Ghost Ranking that they've got in mind... how can I leverage that and cause them to suffer?

Incidentally, when I take over a power with one CD and one unit, does the person who resigned previously get a "pass" on Ghost Ranking, i.e. it doesn't affect them? It appalls me that I might be helping people improve.

Nigee, don't you think calling me a "dick" is a bit harsh and unneccesary? It's comments like that which make this forum at times an unpleasant place.

I actually think if someone CDs or is banned you should be able to see who they were automatically.

SD - Man Up you twat

I'm not bothered, but I do think that the atmosphere of the forum would be better if you didn't have to use insults so frequently...

I only vote draw when a stalemate is reached. I am willing to cancel any game with cds. Does this piss you off tendmote? Stop being a baby, cancels are not diplomatic tools and your suggestion in the op is quite clearly metagaming. Site would be better off without people like you.

"I'm not bothered, but I do think that the atmosphere of the forum would be better if you didn't have to use insults so frequently"
Better not send you off to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or Egypt, or GITMO, or to the Sales or the kindergarten or the Real World, I heard they people like you down there.
What's it like in airy-fairy land?

No, I accept that people can be uncouth, but that doesn't mean that we should not strive to minimize the instantiations of that behaviour, or that we should condone that behaviour as social norm.

Look I understand that you are either a young person who thinks you are being really, really funny, or an older person that is dissatisfied in their life, but there's still no reason to be so coarse.

Actually I hadn't realized that this thread was going to be as controversial as it is, and the insults aren't helping. I just never realized that the "GR" system, which I'd heard of but not read up on until now, creates incentives for players that are not just different to the point system on the site, they're actually contradictory. Looking back I can see how some players' strategies were affected by these differences/contradictions, and wondering what the reaction should be for players not concerned with GR. Anyway, I'll drop it, this thread has become no fun at all.

"Look I understand that you are either a young person who thinks you are being really, really funny, or an older person that is dissatisfied in their life, but there's still no reason to be so coarse."
SD - Perception is Projection - I've already explained this once today so I'm not doing it again, by your words we know you, not me.
As I've said on here before this site if full of grown-up men behaving like teenagers and teenagers behaving like grown-ups.

If there's a CD early in the game, I always vote cancel. I prefer to leave it up for the duration of the game, mostly so that if there are any issues or arguments at the end of the game, especially if I win, I can point to that vote as proof I wanted to cancel the entire game.

If someone misses the first turn I vote cancel. I'll leave that in for about 2 years. After that, I put in a draw vote and attempt to stop anyone from taking advantage of the NMR. If someone does they are an evil person.