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Szpoti (2048 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
Can I remove a game from "My games" once defeated?
I've been defeated yet the game still appears in "My games" tab. Can I remove it since I of course don't have any orders to put in? Or I've got to wait till the game is finished?
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Mr A (386 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
EOG Sargmacher's 5 Point Challenge: Game 6
I'm not the usual EOG-writer, but I'm very interested in what was going on in the end so I thought I might as well write my first EOG.
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tboin4 (100 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
Novogord Chronicles, Mongols and Russia
In my world history class, we're talking about Mongols and their impact on Eurasia. In this one excerpt from the Novogord Chronicles, the passage says that the Mongols demanded "give us your numbers for tribute." I was just wondering what the heck "numbers" is referring to. Thanks!
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S.E. Peterson (100 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
WTA-GB-105 EOG
My apologies for 1901. I checked a minute before the start, saw we had only 5 and assumed it wasn't going to fly. Anyway, thanks for an interesting game.
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King Atom (100 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
The REAL Official CCDC Thread!
I'm going to bed now, so I leave Eden in charge of keeping the trolls away from this one for now...
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
Tettleton, you can't hear me, but somebody will give you this link
See in a minute
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taos (281 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
ppl like us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DscwPz1ULds&sns=fb
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
Franco-Italian alliance
Thought about this yesterday, any interesting experiences / thoughts?
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rokakoma (19138 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
WTA-GB-104
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BALLS DEEP (0 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
dragon con atlanta - any interest in a diplomacy game?
dragoncon.org for info on dates and location, etc.

they are not currently hosting a dip game, but having emailed the gaming director, it seems like getting one or two games going should be pretty easy. before i go any further, i wanted to see if there were any webdip members who might be interested in a face to face game at dragon con!
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
20 Apr 12 UTC
Everything you need to know about particle physics
http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2012/04/19/everything-you-need-to-know-about-particle-physics-in-2min-30-secs/#comments
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Poozer (962 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
So I was out at the bar...
Like many bars around here, they had trivial pursuit cards on the table...
http://imgur.com/a/M9cln

Discuss.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
20 Apr 12 UTC
EOG Thirty pieces of silver
I survived! Yay!!! Considering the caliber of the other players, I couldn't be happier.
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
18 Apr 12 UTC
Norway is one of the greatest countries this planet has ever seen.
What do you think, in light of the proceedings against the killer Anders Breivik?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
20 Apr 12 UTC
www.thevenusproject.com
I think this is where all the women come from........nice !!
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
20 Apr 12 UTC
Little bit of comedy......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0_5bSiKvlA&context=C4a35fefADvjVQa1PpcFNNBnidrJ7VOaWWWg0IY5mZeYMfcRKb8Uw=
........who said I can't dance !!
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Barn3tt (41969 D)
17 Apr 12 UTC
Need to leave Wedip
Hello-
Unfortunately I am going to need to take a lengthy hiatus fom webdip for rl reasons. I need to find subs for 3 games- all of which I have good positions in.

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Maniac (184 D(B))
20 Apr 12 UTC
Apply here for your licence to print money
See inside
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semck83 (229 D(B))
20 Apr 12 UTC
Could you survive if.....
So the other thread has me thinking...
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
20 Apr 12 UTC
Non-Anon World with No Messaging, 75 buy-in
Come one, come all. We can see each other, but not talk! Honorable players will not communicate out of the game either.
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President Eden (2750 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
HAPPY BIRTHDAY THUCYDIDES
^^^
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Tasnica (3366 D)
28 Mar 12 UTC
Public Press World Game!
So, I really enjoy the World variant. I've played a couple full press and gunboat games, but have never tried a public press game. I personally think that such a game would be rather fun, with tons of potential for negotiation on a global forum.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
19 Apr 12 UTC
RIP Levon Helm
Too bad he never reconciled with Robbie Robertson before he died.
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Ethanol (1780 D)
18 Apr 12 UTC
Public press World game still needs 2 players
May not everyone has a look into the older thread anymore.
But we still need 2 players for our public press game with 48hours / phase and Anonymous players. You are in for 35 D.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=85693 Password is "unitednations"
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
20 Apr 12 UTC
RIP Levon Helm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D24JvwNljaA
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
19 Apr 12 UTC
How cool is Astronomy.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13783877
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
19 Apr 12 UTC
Henotheism
Henotheism is the belief and worship of a single god while accepting the existence or possible existence of other deities. The term was originally coined by Friedrich Wilhelm Joseph von Schelling (1775–1854) to depict early stages of monotheism, however Max Müller (1823–1900), a German philologist and orientalist, brought the term into common usage.
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krellin (80 DX)
10 Apr 12 UTC
CAN Communism Work?
Read on, McDuff...
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krellin (80 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Kusiag...Bosnia was part of the former Communist SOVIET UNION, which, WHEN IT FAILED (WHEN Communism FAILED) it left a bunch of little pissed off, broke countries, such as Bosnia, that had been forcibly held together under the USSR against their will....and when the USSR failed, and the troops disappeared, ancient hatreds flared...it had *nothing* to do with the US, but a hell of a lot to do with a failed Soviet Communist empire.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
You call a political hack piece from wikipedia "better research"? You can't even get your own story straight. First you claim the vast majority of victims were the disabled, women & children, and your own propaganda piece doesn't even claim that. Stop trolling me.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
".Bosnia was part of the former Communist SOVIET UNION, which, WHEN IT FAILED (WHEN Communism FAILED) it left a bunch of little pissed off, broke countries, such as Bosnia, that had been forcibly held together under the USSR against their will....and when the USSR failed, and the troops disappeared, ancient hatreds flared...it had *nothing* to do with the US, but a hell of a lot to do with a failed Soviet Communist empire."

What did you get, a 5th grade education? Bosnia was part of Yugoslavia. A completely different country than the Soviet Union.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Read again. I said the vast majority of refugees there were women, children, elderly, and disabled. And the testimony from the ofiicial records shows that uniforms had nothing to do with it and women and children were raped and murdered and men mutilated and murdered. Seriously, this was not the Japanese attacking PEarl Harbor. This was not soldier slaughtering soldier as you claim. this was soldiers killing civilians. Separate the men from the women and kill all the men. Then rape and murder the women as they see fit. That is what this was.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
You said people, you didn't say refugees, and it was in the context of me saying civilians were not attacked, implying the women, children, etc were attacked. You're so full of it. Stop trolling me.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
"Seriously, this was not the Japanese attacking PEarl Harbor."

No, because unlike Pearl Harbor, Bosnians attacked Serbs from Srebrenica with impunity.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Women and children were attacked. Is rape not an attack? Is mutilation not an attack?
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Here we have it folks! Despite his claims to be pro woman, Putin doesn't think rape is an attack!
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Rape at Srebrenica didn't happen, I hope Invictus narcs you out for that distortion of what I said, but he's a flaming hypocrite so he won't. The plurality if not majority of rape victims in the war were Serb victims. They even had a documentary where they went into one of the so-called "rape camps" and portrayed Serb victims as Bosnians.
Kusiag (1443 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
@krellin

Yes krellin, I know that the Soviet Union was pushing its sphere of influence deep into the Balkins region, but the talk in this thread seemed to be moving off the debate about communism failing, and more about graphic be-headings, refugee strife, and internal struggles, etc, so that's why I suggested it. That was all that I intended to suggest, so take it just as that, a suggestion. Thank you.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Then what of the official testimony? Are you saying they lied? If so, we have nothing further to discuss because I tend to view the official testimony under oath as the truth.
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
http://www.srebrenica-project.com/hol/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8:jonathan-rooper-reporting-yugoslavia-myths-and-misconceptions&catid=3:2009-01-06-17-56-50&Itemid=4
Putin33 (111 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
"2. Prison and rape camps

2.1. In August 1992, ITN broadcast a report on the Omarska and Trnopolje camps, which included the arresting image of a highly emaciated man, Fikret Alic, standing at the front of a crowd of men behind a barbed wire fence. The commentary did not describe Trnopolje as a concentration camp, but throughout the world the ITN report was seen as confirmation of earlier stories (Newsday 19 July 1992; 2 August 1992) about Serb concentration camps by the American journalist, Roy Gutman. Gutman later admitted that he had made his claims on the basis of hearsay information. In addition, WTN - which distributed the ITN pictures worldwide - described Trnopolje as a concentration camp in the information despatched with the pictures.

2.2. In 1997, Thomas Deichmann’s article in a publication called Living Marxism claimed that the ITN report on Trnopolje had seriously misrepresented the nature of the camp. According to the article, the ITN rushes, which had been leaked to him, showed that the camp was not fully surrounded by a fence, let alone by barbed-wire, and that the “prisoners” were free to leave if they chose to do so. ITN has sued LM, but the case has yet to come to court. Extracts from the rushes are now available on an Internet site for all to see. (Deichmann’s article had previously appeared in several European publications - only in the UK has legal action prevented open discussion of the issues raised.)

2.3. Pero Curguz, a regional Red Cross manager stationed at Trnopolje during the operation of the centre, was interviewed by British journalists in August 1992. He told them that many of the people there had come to the camp of their own free will for protection. He said also that during the entire time of the operation of the camp, no barbed-wire fence had been erected.

2.4. Even if Trnopolje is discounted, serious allegations remain about a number of other Serb camps, notably Omarska. It seems likely that conditions in these camps were generally poor and that some atrocities took place. But an ICRC report published in August 1992 gave details of camps run by all sides; the Serbs did not have proportionately more than the others. Tadeusz Mazoviecki, UN Special Rapporteur for Human Rights, said in his 1994 report that “...As of December 31, 1993, there were 5,500 detainees on the active register. According to reliable estimates around 40% of detainees are held by Bosnian Croat authorities, 25% by the Government (Muslim) and 13% by the Bosnian Serbs and the remainder by the forces of the so-called ‘autonomous’ province of western Bosnia”. There is little evidence to suggest that one side’s camps were better than another’s. But with the media highlighting Bosnian Serb-run camps and largely ignoring the others, non-Serb camps existed for periods of several years whereas the Bosnian-Serb camps had been closed down. It is also worth noting that ITN was invited, under challenge, to go to the camps by Radovan Karadzic; the Croats and Muslims did not extend similar facilities. Claims that substantial numbers of people were held in camps (Muslims imprisoned 117,000; Serbs imprisoned 40,000) and killed (Muslims 12,000+; Serbs 6,000) have never been substantiated and look like little more than crude propaganda.

2.5. One of the most influential pieces of evidence put forward to substantiate the argument that the Serbs had committed far more atrocities than the other sides was a CIA report, leaked to Roger Cohen of The New York Times in 1994, which claimed that 90% of all atrocities committed in the early stages of the war were committed by Serbs. The newspaper did not give details of the methods used to determine the ethnicity of perpetrator and victim; nor did it reveal how many atrocities were involved; nor did it specify the period covered by the report. It has been deduced that much of the information in the report was based on satellite data - but even the best satellite photographs would show no distinction between Serbs, Croats and Muslims, groups that cannot generally be distinguished from one another in terms of
appearance face-to-face, let alone from overhead satellite photographs able to determine individual items only if larger than six inches in diameter.

2.6. In the late autumn of 1992 the world was horrified by reports that the Serbs had set up a chain of rape camps in Bosnia, and that more than 50,000 Bosnian women had been raped. This was compounded by a communique issued at the EC summit in Edinburgh in December 1992, by a UN resolution, and by Lawrence Eagleburger’s naming of “war criminals”. Governments expressed grave concern and aid agencies sprang into action. But no such camps were found by those who bothered to look. Ann Leslie of The Daily Mail could find only a single possible rape victim, despite spending two weeks searching in the relevant area. Marie Stopes staff, sent to support rape victims, found themselves unneeded and ended up giving advice on family planning - and even on sewing. International agencies now say privately that they have no evidence whatsoever to support the rape camp allegations.

2.7. The story was, however, lent credibility by the EC Investigating team, headed by Dame Anne Warburton. After returning from a fact-finding tour in January 1993 she gave an interview to The Times which avoided all detail but appeared to give general endorsement to the claims. On 4 January The Independent reported that “systematic rape camps” “had been well-authenticated by Dame Anne Warburton”, who estimated 20,000 cases of rape. In fact, a dissenting member of the investigation team, Simone Veil (a former French Minister and President of the European Parliament) revealed that the estimate was based on interviews with only four victims, two women and two men. An inquiry by the UN Commission on Human Rights soon presented a more moderate estimate: in its report published on 10 February 1993, the Commission refrained from giving an official total, but mentioned a figure of 2,400 victims, based on 119 documented cases. The report concluded that Muslims, Croats and Serbs had been raped, with Muslims making up the largest number of victims.

2.8. The EC’s Committee on Women’s Rights held hearings on the Warburton findings on 17 and 18 February 1993. It concluded by rejecting the Warburton estimate of 20,000 Muslim rapes because of the lack of documented evidence and testimony. The Annex to the UN Commission of Experts’ Report also dismisses the Warburton figure - though, curiously, the Commission’s Final Report found it credible.

2.9. The Bosnian government was able to provide the UN Commission of Experts with data on 126 cases of rape.

2.10. Along with the credibility given to the story by Western politicians came a blizzard of media coverage. In early January pictures of “rape babies”, a few months old, were published. Not even the impossibility of the arithmetic could detract from that story (the war at that point had been under way for some seven to eight months). British Minister Tim Yeo announced that special dispensation would be made for the adoption in the UK of such Bosnian children, but the offer was never taken up. In addition, absurd arguments were put into the mouths of Bosnian Serbs, and then passed on without criticism - for example, that Bosnian Serbs were making Muslim women pregnant so that there would be more “ethnically-pure” Serb babies. The fact that the ‘mothers’ were Muslim seemed to escape attention.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
That is so obviously a hack propaganda job...
krellin (80 DX)
12 Apr 12 UTC
@Kuriak -- I think Bosnia is a **perfect** example of the results of the failure of Communism!
Kusiag (1443 D)
12 Apr 12 UTC
Is it just me or do I keep seeing Putin saying something to the effect of, this and that never happened, it was all disinformation/cover ups/propaganda...etc etc?
Emac (0 DX)
13 Apr 12 UTC
The New York Review of Books blog published a piece "Hitler vs Stalin:Who was worse." The author made some statments about the Ukrainian famine of 1932-33. Of course the author is just another fabricator or neo-Nazi Putin because you deny that the Holodomor (Ukranian Genocide) never took place. ". The largest human catastrophe of Stalinism was the famine of 1930–1933, in which more than five million people starved. Of those who starved, the 3.3 million or so inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine who died in 1932 and 1933 were victims of a deliberate killing policy related to nationality. Putin, I'm sorry I cut and paste the work of other authors because I haven't dedicated my life to researching the vast archives around the world to gain first hand knowledge that everyone who claims that Ukrainians were victims of a genocide known as the Holodomor are all liars, neo-Nazis, or misguided dunces. You can be proud of your life's work Putin.
greysoni (160 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Well the states of former Yugoslavia only started fighting each other after Tito's communist regime was dismantled and stem from hatreds that existed long before Tito and the communists ever came to power....that's just the history. Not everything revolves around the existence of Communism.
greysoni (160 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
Also Yugoslavia managed to be remarkably independent from the former USSR. Tito wasn't one of the bad ones to be sure.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Apr 12 UTC
"Is it just me or do I keep seeing Putin saying something to the effect of, this and that never happened, it was all disinformation/cover ups/propaganda...etc etc?"

Capitalists and fascists have a long history of making up lies about communism so that nobody gets any 'bright ideas' about overthrowing their world order. You guys must must must find a 'Soviet holocaust' so you can diminish the crimes of fascism and capitalism. Notice none of you ever bother to talk about the laundry list of famines which occur under imperialist rule. And Emac, unlike Kusiag who actually acknowledged that a famine took place throughout the USSR, you're bent on this "genocide" theme which even the political leadership of Ukraine rejects.

Keep on searching for that Soviet holocaust and keep on trying to slander the government that liberated the world from Hitler's genocidal hordes, no thanks to any of you.
Kusiag (1443 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
*cough* D-Day...Battle of the bulge, Bastone....crossing the Rhine...*cough*

Oh those must not have happened then...

Lol, I hope you get a laugh from my tongue and cheek. :P
largeham (149 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Kusiag, first: Holy Necromancy!

Two: the stats vary, however one author (I forget who exactly, maybe John Keegan?) stated that over 70% of German troops fought on the Eastern Front and around 77% of German casualties were suffered on that front. According to this place (http://www.angelfire.com/ct/ww2europe/stats.html), even in 1944 the Germans had over a 100 divisions on the Eastern front as compared to France and the Low Countries.
According to Percy Ernest Schramm (taken off wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_casualties_in_World_War_II), total dead, missing and captured on the Eastern front was 2,124,352 (add around another 50,000 for the Balkans and North-Norway/Finland) while France and Belgium was 516,757, adding around 244,000 for North Africa and Italy.

I could go on, but you can just read the pages yourself, and I recommend John Keegan's 'The Second World War' and John Erickson's 'The Road to Stalingrad' and 'The Road to Berlin'.
Sylence (313 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Gosh... I can't believe I actually read this thread through...

At least one could demand that people make an effort to respect the Topic defined by the starter.
The question posed by Krellin seems highly relevant. Cloister Black makes a good effort to give the question a better foundation by bringing in some definition and logic, so as we know what we are talking about and what kind of an answer we could be looking for.
But this was apparently futile, 'cause then the discussion is largely invaded by a hockey-crowd mob, people who really have got nothing to say but things like "You're so biased. You're so full of shit." It's the kind of arguments supporters of one hockey team playing hockey might have against supporters of another hockey team playing hockey.

Krellin himself sets the tone by his "Support that ABSURD claim" to the remark that large-scale elections is a historical change of human behaviour.
Do we really need to, Krellin? I'll pass on that one and leave it to Krellin himself to fantasize about how the president of the US was elected during the stone ages, or questions like how they elected their UN delegates all over the world back then.

Well, the doorgates are opened for the flood of hockey supporters. One guy (Putin) fascinatingly insists on trying to stem the tide, suggesting to bring in scraps of reality to the "discussion". It might be that they are not 100% correct, I know not, who claims to know?
Well, the mob of Internet warriors does anyway. They have their anti-communist jingles to cling to, effectively barring out any attempt to sort anything out or make any inquiry into reality. There is masses of "information" and opinions in the media. But no matter how large the amount of text stored in the archives get, there is still a foundation of reality behind your PC screen. To get a grip of it takes something more than knowing what has been written here and there on the net.

I do not call myself a "communist", and even less would I like to be called a "socialist". I'm not "anti-communist" either.

Me and the two I mentioned might not be in any great political agreement. I know not. But I can see who are at least capable of a dialogue and making an honest inquiry.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Eventually, communism will work.
If we have robots doing the manual labour rather then humans, there is no profit motif needed for labour

and with information technology getting better and better, our central government can become better and better informed.
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
@Fasces - as long as there is an ivory tower and the people who work under them (not everyone who isn't at the top does manual labor) then Communism will fail. The top will never give up their economic advantage and the new working class (the engineers and IT guys and sales folks and chmists and administrative assistants and mid-level management and...) will always want more because they will be envious of the top. All you will do is redefine "working class" when human manual labor becomes unnecessary.

And as good as IT and robotics have become, we are *far* from a working "I, Robot" type robotic unit which is what it would take to replace all manual labor.

The only way communism ever works is to change man's motivation and that motivation is inherent in fulfilling man's basic drives. Procreate the species and survive are the two most basic and greed provides for both. For procreation, having more "stuff" makes us more attractive as a stable provider to potential partners and, even when married already, the basic urge to be admired and envied still resides as we are always desiring to procreate with anyone who pays attention to us. Only our ego and superego and their "morals" override that urge. And "stuff" allows us to eat and the more "stuff" we have the better we can eat. So greed fulfills our primal urges and will always be a motivating factor in mankind unless something external to our closed system changes that.
Draugnar (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
@largeham - Holy Necromancer? Are you, by chance, a Dorsai fan?
Emac (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Isn't the problem with communism distributing goods. In fact isn't that the problem with capitalism too? Who decides who gets what? There is no perfect system, but communism seems infinitely worse than capitalism distributing goods.
Emac (0 DX)
19 Apr 12 UTC
Putin, I don't need to search for a crimes about humanity in the Soviet Union. It is a matter of which one do I write about today. There is a great Nature program on PBS tonight. "The Radioactive Wolves of Chernobyl."
largeham (149 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
No, sorry Draugnar. I just read it somewhere else (maybe it was Holy Necromancy Batman!) and just thought it sounded good.
stranger (525 D)
19 Apr 12 UTC
What if a computer governed us? It could deside neutrally, who gets what, and who has to do what.

Hahaha

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krellin (80 DX)
18 Apr 12 UTC
jebus Invented the Internet
But then Judas stole the plans....so jebus had him killed.

Al Gore found the documents in a cave and "invented it" hisef later on....
That's the REAL truth....YO!
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
20 Apr 12 UTC
Never Forget
19 Years ago today, the government of the United States of America slaughtered over 80 men, women and children on American soil. Never Forget!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmOBNnz9Wms
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