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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
05 Feb 12 UTC
Your dad
Drank whisky cocktails.

http://adsoftheworld.com/files/images/CC_dads_first.preview.jpg
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cteno4 (100 D)
11 Feb 12 UTC
Bukkake, Austria-Hungary is thy name.
Do you agree? Discuss.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
06 Feb 12 UTC
Rarer French Opening: 'the Gapcic Opening' _ _ _^ " La Split " ^_ _ _
A familiar name proposal for this fine opening.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
10 Feb 12 UTC
First all nighter of the semester
Earlier than usual : )
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
09 Feb 12 UTC
The Latest Ron Paul News
He takes money from a Super PAC run by a right-wing nutjob!
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hammac (100 D)
10 Feb 12 UTC
Looking for a sitter!
I only have one game - 24 hour phases gunboat. Any help very welcome please! I will be a way after Sunday until Wednesday 22nd. Thanks.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
10 Feb 12 UTC
EOG Live : gameID=80231
A draw by a hair's width...
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Grand Duke Feodor (0 DX)
27 Jan 12 UTC
I have had this debate with alot of my friends recently
Does God exsist?
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semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@abge,"
Because I don't believe in something until I'm shown evidence for it. There is no evidence for the universe not being in steady-state, so why should I think otherwise? Perhaps my view is wrong, but at least it is consistent."

But there's no evidence FOR it, either. There's no evidence about tomorrow one way or the other. So you DO believe things without evidence. That's the point.

The whole CONCEPT of evidence ASSUMES the regularity of the universe, but there is no evidence _for_ that. Only for the past regularity, the regularity so far.

Do a thought experiment for me. Imagine two possible universes. One of them, U1, is always regular, all the laws of physics keep being obeyed forever, etc., and its history up to now is exactly like the history of ours.

Another of them, U2, is regular up to now, and with the same history as ours (and as U1), but day after tomorrow, it goes wild. 10% of electrons become neutral, and then, cars start turning into unicorns.

What evidence is there that we're in one or the other of these? None. They're both identical up to now, so no evidence could distinguish them.

You might say, "Well, you have no evidence that U2 could actually exist." Well, YOU have no evidence that U1 could actually exist. We're just talking about what WILL. And you're assuming U1, with no evidence at all.

@d31,

Same thing. There's no evidence either way. So, you now allow that it's reasonable to believe things for which there's no evidence?
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Nonsense. Those extra dimensions are theorized to exist because they are required for certain theories, offering a possible explanation of observed reality, to make sense.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
No semck, I do not believe it is reasonable to make assumptions not based on observed reality.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Jan 12 UTC
"But there's no evidence FOR it, either. There's no evidence about tomorrow one way or the other. So you DO believe things without evidence. That's the point."

Yes, yes there is. The fact that there has never been any evidence of the universe not acting this way is perfectly reasonable proof of it continuing to do so.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
OK, d31, but that's an assumption not based on observed reality.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
What is?
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@abge,

Sorry, but you're wrong. Don't just make assertions. Refute my logic. Here's your argument:

1) The past has always been regular.
2) Therefore the future probably will be too.

Now, as a matter of simple logic, this is NOT a valid argument, in any way. You NEED the additional hypothesis,

1') The future will probably resemble the past.

So, support it. Why is 1' true?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@semck

Proof by Induction.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@d31,

"No semck, I do not believe it is reasonable to make assumptions not based on observed reality."

That belief is not based on observed reality. Observed reality does not logically imply one way or the other about the future, unless you already assume the above (i.e., the regularity of the universe).
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
"Nonsense. Those extra dimensions are theorized to exist because they are required for certain theories, offering a possible explanation of observed reality, to make sense."

So scientists invented extra dimensions just to make their equations balance out?!?!?! And you're trusting these people to explain the workings of the entire universe?!?!?!
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Semck, the future always has resembled the past. We use the past to make predictions about the future all the time.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@abge,

Huh?
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@d31 "Semck, the future always has resembled the past. We use the past to make predictions about the future all the time."

Yes I know, d31; it's exactly my point that we can't actually justify that. Let's try. You say "the future always has resembled the past." Let's try to make an argument of that:

1) The future has always resembled the past.
2) Therefore, the future will continue to resemble the past.

But oops, we need an additional premise:

1') The future will resemble the past [in resembling the past].

But that's the conclusion (2). Circular argument.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
"And you're trusting these people to explain the workings of the entire universe"

They could be wrong, sure. And they will find out if they are, because a simpler theory will come up that explains our observations just as well, or a situation will be found in which it contradicts realiyu.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@semck

Oh, that post got all fucked up.

You're asking for a proof by induction, which I can't supply. Am I making a small leap? Perhaps. But, there is no way you can compare that to what you're suggesting.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Semck, the assumption I make is not unreasonable, and indeed necessary to be able to make ANY kind of plan for the future. By your logic, we could just all stop breathing, for it makes no difference in how likely we are to die, right?
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@abge,

Ah, sorry about your post. That's extremely frustrating.

Anyway, you're not making a small leap. You're making a gargantuan leap. Given the epistemic support you have for the regularity of the universe in your worldview, everything you believe or assume about the future is indistinguishable from complete blind assumption. There is no way to distinguish the liklihood of the sun "rising" (or earth rotating, whatever) tomorrow from the liklihood of your car turning into a winged pegasus.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Make that 'die in the next hour', as dying eventually is pretty likely either way :p
Putin33 (111 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
I'm amazed at how cynical theists are about everything except their own irrational ideas. Like a reincarnationist can sit here and say scientists are just "inventing" ideas to balance out equations with a straight face, without bothering to problematize the fact the motives that went into inventing the ridiculous stories that they believe in.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Ok, you know what semck. You're right. I'll write the university right now and quit my education, because I'll probably become a lake of molten tubas anyway.
Putin33 (111 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
I also enjoy how Tolstoy used this dimensions theory to browbeat me about science and speculate about the presence of god in said dimensions & then expressed outrage at the idea moments later.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@d31,

"Semck, the assumption I make is not unreasonable, and indeed necessary to be able to make ANY kind of plan for the future. By your logic, we could just all stop breathing, for it makes no difference in how likely we are to die, right?"

Well, it's unreasonable in the sense of there being no evidence for it.

You're right of course that it's true, but in _your_ worldview, you can't possibly support it; there is no knowledge source sufficient to support it.

And, so, what, we're supposed to believe something is true because it's useful or convenient? Isn't this the kind of thing you reject in theists?

Yes, on what could be supported on your ground beliefs, you couldn't distinguish the probability of dying if you breathe from dying if you don't.

Of course, you do know that the future will continue to be regular. My point is just that you couldn't, if your worldview were actually true. As it is, you borrow whatever elements are necessary from mine to get you by, because you do know it's right, whatever may be the logical consequences of your own worldview.
Putin33 (111 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
"Anyway, you're not making a small leap. You're making a gargantuan leap"

Can any theist make an argument without trying to reduce everything to extreme skepticism?
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@d31,

"Ok, you know what semck. You're right. I'll write the university right now and quit my education, because I'll probably become a lake of molten tubas anyway."

Well, I'm not saying we should. lol @ the lake of molten tubas, by the way, nice image.

But anyway, we both know that you won't. The point is just that I can account for that knowledge, whereas you can't. It has no place in your worldview.

(In mine, I can know things, because God who made my mind also made and sustains the universe, and has revealed Himself and some aspects of His creation, including the fact that it is mostly regular and is made to be known by man).
Tolstoy (1962 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
I didn't say scientists "are just "inventing" ideas to balance out equations", putin. Your anti-theist comrade did. I know this thread is moving fast, but please try to keep up.
Putin33 (111 D)
27 Jan 12 UTC
So you're going to dismiss out of hand every scientific theory that is based on equations reflecting patterns in the physical world? Nice.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@semck

But, you aren't doing anything! The only difference that I'm ok with saying "I don't know" and you are saying "I know from god". Neither of us has more tangible knowledge than the other. The only difference is that I'm acknowledging my limitations.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
Semck, my worldview is very simple. Things happen. People make theories why they happen, from which predictions follow. Theories that fail at predicting the future are false, those that don't are possibly true, and it's best to pick the one that requires fewest assumptions.
d31 (312 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
The only thing that gives theory value is their utility.
semck83 (229 D(B))
27 Jan 12 UTC
@d31,

But that worldview only works at all if the universe is regular in some sense. If it were chaotic, or became chaotic, then no theory would have a chance at correctly predicting anything. So, you continue to assume that there is order, without being able to give the least reason as to why.

@abge, First of all, no, you're not saying "I don't know." If you are now, that represents a change from earlier posts, when you claimed that you did know.

And yes, I am claiming that there is a source of knowledge in the world, the same God who made it. Within my worldview, this and everything else make sense. The mystery is why, in yours, where you admit (now) that you can't know anything, you continue to act like you can.

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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
10 Feb 12 UTC
The Final Solution
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
10 Feb 12 UTC
Facebook game!
The hottest game on WebDip is now open for entries...and YOU can't join! Unless you're a member of the ultra-exclusive WebDip Facebook group, that is! Interested? Click on over to WebDip on FB!
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
10 Feb 12 UTC
We have a pulse!
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/09/moderate-republicans-spotted-in-the-house/

Is this just temporary or I wonder if there's more to come!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
06 Feb 12 UTC
Teaching my brother how to play
Hi,
I'm thinking of introducing my little brother to diplomacy so I'd like to set up a game for him to learn in. I won't play so I can give him advice. I'm thinking low pot, 48hrs, WTA. Any takers?
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rdrivera2005 (3533 D(G))
26 Jan 12 UTC
South American World Cup Team
So, any south american interested to play in the World Cup? We have to defend our title:
I think so far we have me, JesusPetry (both brasilians) and Sargmacher (??) interested.
Of course, preference will be given for Rubetok and Xapi, that played in the last edition, but they aren´t around for a while.
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
09 Feb 12 UTC
Torgo
He cares for the place while the Master is away.
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Grand Duke Feodor (0 DX)
06 Feb 12 UTC
Giants verse Pats
Why......
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mattsh (775 D)
09 Feb 12 UTC
Unread messages in a game with no messaging?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71892
For some reason I'm seeing that I have unread messages when loading the home page.
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Tasnica (3366 D)
09 Feb 12 UTC
What is your favorite nation in World?
So, I've come to really like the World variant. I love the unpredictability that comes with having 17 players, the cross-global alliances that are made and broken. I also like the variety to be found in the positions and unit compositions of each nation.

What is your favorite nation, and why? This could the nation you most like to play, or one that you simply like to root for. After all, I'm sure that few of us have actually played as all 17!
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
03 Feb 12 UTC
The <150 GR invitational, the sequel..
Dear all! Next month I will graduate to the GR150 club for the first time, after two recent draws.. you know what? I want to keep celebrating by starting up yet another game against my new peer group. One is underway, I hope to get this one live this weekend.
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cteno4 (100 D)
09 Feb 12 UTC
195 days until next adjudication?
Many of my games say that now. What happened?
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
09 Feb 12 UTC
MODERATORS
Hi guys, I just sent an e-mail with a pressing matter. If you don't get to it in the next few hours, it becomes less pressing but is likely equally important. Thanks for your attention.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
08 Feb 12 UTC
EOG Reputation matters
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President Eden (2750 D)
08 Feb 12 UTC
mfw Santorum sweeps tonight's contests
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg580/scaled.php?server=580&filename=howireallyfeel.png&res=medium
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Boner (100 D)
08 Feb 12 UTC
Wut?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=40014#gamePanel
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santosh (335 D)
04 Feb 12 UTC
Gunboat for Dummies
Alright, I've had it. Live gunboats are getting disappointingly mediocre, and populated with lots of players not moving very cleverly. This thread is for more experience gunboat players to post tips, ideas, do's and don'ts of sound gunboat play.
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Zarathustra (3672 D)
07 Feb 12 UTC
Diplomacy & Friendship
The basis of a friendship is trust; however, Diplomacy requires ample lying and backstabbing. I am often concerned that when I introduce a friend to the game, he (LBH, there aren't many female players) will expect me to ally or to be trustworthy. How have you addressed this split between expectations?
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Sepherim (146 D)
08 Feb 12 UTC
Question: moving troops clashing aganist each other
Greetings all!
A friend of mine in a game moved from Bulgaria to Romania one unit, and another from Romania to Bulgaria (both provinces are his). And they bounced back instead of exchanging places! Any idea why? This is the game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78910&msgCountryID=6
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
08 Feb 12 UTC
We need a replacement China!
Dear all, we need a replacement China, as Baskineli retired from the site due to RL. gameID=73479 China is in a good position and it has been a fun game so far. The world game has some good players in it. PM me if you're interested, so we can arrange with the mods and Baskin, or join if China really CDs.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
08 Feb 12 UTC
EOGs -
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
08 Feb 12 UTC
Lilyhammer
The new Netflix original series...anybody seen it yet? Do you think we're seeing a paradigm shift in television production, or are streaming services not yet ready to take over for cable?
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Espemon333 (100 D)
08 Feb 12 UTC
A quick question
Sorry if this isn't the place for this, but how do I quit out of a game? I'm in a gunboat world game on a 7 day cycle and I am bored out of my mind. Not making that mistake again...
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