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29 Nov 10 UTC

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new player; help please

I just started on this and I need a little help...
I joined a match that was scheduled to start in an hour so I closed the screen and left the site, I get on now when it should be starting and I can't find out how to join it, if I look in my games the only ones in there are those that have yet to start... please help

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Lando Calrissian (100

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28 Nov 10 UTC

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Grey Cup

In about 1 hour the Grey Cup game will played to determine the 2010 Champion of the Canadian Football League. Any predictions?

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27 Nov 10 UTC

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Improper Civil Disorder Disbands

In autumn 1905 of gameID=42802, I believe disbands were improperly adjudicated. Russia was in civil disorder, and had a unit in St. Pete and in Black Sea, yet Black Sea was not disbanded - Sevastopol was.

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28 Nov 10 UTC

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Reliability rating?

How about including some sort of reliability rating for players, so that a game's creation criteria could include a way to prevent frequent NMRers from playing?

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Thucydides (864

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Every year I'm struck by the irony...

That on the one day when Americans actually give some kind of thanks, the next day they go out and buy shit they don't need......

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Ernst_Brenner (782

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28 Nov 10 UTC

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Maria EOG

Played England... interesting seesaw between France, Germany and I... got overconfident on the turn Germany moved out of the Scandinavian centers... ah well... lucky Turkey didn't solo that game!

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28 Nov 10 UTC

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Seemingly odd two-player draw in WTA Gunboat

I didn't expect to win in my first WTA game (I was England),
gameID=42868
but I'm suspicious that Turkey gave up on the possibility of winning in Autumn '09 with the simple move F Irish Sea to Lvp.
Does this play look odd to anyone else?

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President Eden (2750

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27 Nov 10 UTC

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HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWL

SUCK IT BOISE BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Ernst_Brenner (782

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28 Nov 10 UTC

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Gunboat-125 user banned

Got a note that a user was banned and to see the game for details, but it being a gunboat, there's no chatbox. Still there's a message saying unread messages, but no apparent way to check them. Is this a feature?

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27 Nov 10 UTC

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Support hold and bounce.

I have an army in Gascony, other in Spain, other in Piedmont.
The orders i give are: G: move Mars; P: move Mars; S: support hold Gascony.
If i'm attacked in Gascony with support move, will the support hold make the fight even and thus i keep gascony, or will it be invalidated since the army has moved (or at least, attemped to)?

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27 Nov 10 UTC

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Orders do not load in firefox

It just says loading orders without actually loading them.
I have disabled plura but nothing changed.
orders load properly in IE.
Anyone else with the same problem?

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27 Nov 10 UTC

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Fast Fast Fast

Fast gunbaot game opening in two minues

gameID=42809

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Internet slang game

I haz created a game were we will speak ONLY in internet slang.
Az in minimal correct speling, pununciation, and gramar.
First come, first served.
Post here, ill PM u da password.

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Gamma World has been released and updated.

Just saw it at Borders. It has a CCG element to it in the form of mutation cards but still has the classic D&D game play with character sheets and dice.

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Ralph Fiennes... Serial killer much?

Voldemort... Amon Goeth...guy in Red Dragon...

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Stupid fast games with 1 inactive

Every time i join a 5 min/phase game 1 guy seems inactive immidiatly. Is so annoying because it mostly decided games for one. In our case gameID=42741 for russia...

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stratagos (3269

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23 Nov 10 UTC

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Strat's Make Crap Up Thread

Ask me a question. I will supply you with an answer. It will have no correspondence with reality, but will be amusing

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Thucydides (864

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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French game

If you speak French you should join me for a French-only game. Would be fun and would hone my skills at written French to boot! Post interest within.

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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Shuffling armies around.

If I convoy an army through the Black Sea from Bulgaria to Rumania, and my fleet in Rumania moves to Bulgaria, will that bounce?

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26 Nov 10 UTC

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WTA Gunboat Live

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=42757

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17 Nov 10 UTC

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idea

I was thinking of a webdiplomacy international meeting.
But if we are to meet then we need to play too, right?

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baumhaeuer (245

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Must remove other thread from first page

and done

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TimeOfDeath (100

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23 Nov 10 UTC

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what would you do if the ussr was still around and they Controlled the U.S

what would you do?

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Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

"This doesn't happen in other countries."

I'm sure if you looked hard enough you could find samples of medical misconduct in every country. People have done this on both sides, and it proves nothing about the superiority of any particular system.

I certaily hope for the best for your wife, but we know nothing of her chronic condition nor do we know why the insurance company has refused the test. Even so, the insurance company refusing it doesn't mena that the doctors won't perform it. If you think that she needs the test, shop around. Sooner or later you'll get a doctor who'll perform it and worry about payment later. It's happenend several time with me. Worst case scenario have them bill you and tell the bill collector you'll pay a minimum every month unil you've gotten it taken care of. I'm doing that right now too.

If given a choice between grat helth care that I have to pay for or so-so healthcare that is free; I'll go with the great healthcare. We invest zero in prevention is misleading. If you doctors aren't offering preventative care; get another doctor. Perhaps we don't offer free chekcups but mine are $35 and I can save up to make sure that I have $35 every year for a checkup. Even if they were $100 It's not as if most people can't get a checkup because they are so exhorbitantly expensive.

Both sides of the argument are looking at healthcare refrom by the way. The more conservative people who just voted in large numbers in the USA are not altogether convinced about completely socialized medicine, that's all. Why not sit down and come up with a compromise rather than trying to force sociialized medicine down our throats becasue you think it would be better for you.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Because compromise and reform are mutually exclusive. As long as for-profit insurance companies have a seat at the table, the system will inevitably be fucked.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

So it has to be your way, set up to your liking. Reform cannot be done with the idea that everyone with a stake should have a voice. It has to be done for the good of the people regardless of what the people actually want?

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

No, it doesn't have to be done that way. It just has to be done that way if it's going to be effective.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Or, to put it another way, you don't treat brain cancer with ibuprofen. It may briefly alleviate your headache, but it does nothing about the underlying problem.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Putting it another way or completely sidestepping the issue?

On one hand you're telling me "Screw the democratic precess, I know what's best". Then turning around and saying that anyone else's idea is analogous to treating cancer with asprin. If you truly have the best way to reform helathcare you shoud be able to sell it without stuffing it down our throats and circumventing the democratic process.

That's precisely the thinking that ticked enough people off that it lead to the biggest conservative party gains since the 1930's. I doubt that most Americans expect that they'll achieve the best outcome all the time through the democratic process. We do expect that everyone should be represented within the process though.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

No, I'm not saying screw the democratic process. I'm saying that I don't think the democratic process will be effective in dealing with this issue. I'm saying that my belief is that for-profit insurance companies are a cancer on the body politic.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

As to what lead to the biggest conservative party gains since the 30's (and stipulating, in arguendo and contrary to my actual beliefs, that the Republicans are actually a conservative party, and not a revolutionary reactionary party), I'd be far more inclined to blame the Iranian Revolution and Jimmy Carter's ineffective response to it than a more or less ordinary swing of the electoral pendulum.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Really you are saying screw the democratic process. The problem with your argument is the it entails limiting the representative form of government for this special instance. How many other special instances will come along and how often? Who is to say when the government should and should not be representative. I'm not so much worried about a group of for profit organizations than I am a group who has decided that it's okay to limit my voice in society for my own good.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

I should remind you at this point that insurance companies are a government regulated industry. Revamping healthcare in the country could have easily been brought about through government regulation of the insurance industry. What they do is precisely what the government (both parties) allow them to do.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

A more or less ordinary swing? I'm more familiar with pendulums than to give me credit for.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Good God, man, when has the American government ever limited the voice of corporations in the process? Well, excepting for that brief period from 1933 through about 1980 when we experienced our longest and broadest period of prosperity, of course. But let's face it, government is usually the tool of capital, not labor.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

No shit, the insurance industry is a government-regulated industry. And it's about as well regulated as the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy were by their civilian government in the late 20's and 30's. Although I am interested in what federal regulatory agency you believe has authority over the insurance industry.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Teddy Roosevelt and Trust busting. The US government is a tool of the US government. When was the last time your children had to go to work in a factory? Does your work place have adequate lighting? What about OSHA and their requirements? Geovernment regulates corporations all the time. Dd you think that it was merely the enlightened 20th and 21st Century populace that brought about the safe work places, work man's compensation, etc. that you enjoy?

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

That would be the Insurance commissioner. In my state we had a very good one. All that was necessary was to say "I'm going to call the Insurance Commissioner's office" and dealing wiht troublesome insurance agencies became very easy.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Now we have conveniently shifted to the evil insurance companies and not the idea that you think it's okay to circumvent that democratic process in this particular issue. How often will these particular issues arise? How often are we supposed to have things decided for us by benevolent dictators?

mcbry (439 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Bob + I've lost count.

Yes, it's true that there have been a couple shining moments in US history when the government appeared to be acting in favour of the people it supposedly represents. The corporate domination of politics in the US really started with Reagan. The US is controlled by the corporations, more now than ever with a Supreme Court that gave the green light to unlimited corporate campaign funding. Brilliant.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

1. I work for myself.

2. Fortunately, my parents were both union members, so I was lucky enough to not be raised in penury.

3. No, I think it was unions and the willingness of working men and women to fight their asses off, get their skulls cracked by police forces breaking their strikes or looking the other way when Pinkertons came in to beat the shit out of strikers and collective bargainers, and the display of the collective will of the masses that scared the crap out of the capitalist class and briefly tamed the worst of their excesses. I don't think it's an accident that the first and most consistent target of the modern capitalists are labor unions, and I don't think it's an accident that America has become progressively more Gilded as the unions have declined.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

I didn't ask who in your state regulated the insurance industry. I asked who you thought regulated the insurance industry on a federal level.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

I don't think these issues should be resolved by dictators, and I would ask you to stop trying to mischaracterize my rather plainly spelled out beliefs. I've stated, repeatedly, that I don't expect these issues to be solved effectively.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

"Yes, it's true that there have been a couple shining moments in US history when the government appeared to be acting in favour of the people it supposedly represents"

Funny that we haven't gone back to the days of the Gilded Age then. Certainly since the 1980's people have been at the mercy of the evil corporations. That's a great reason to suspend their right to have a say in their government. Sorry to resort to sarcasm but I really don't see the fear of one dictator to be a good reason to embrace another.

The democratic process should not be suspended for any special instance.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

We haven't gone back to the days of the Gilded Age?

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

"I've stated, repeatedly, that I don't expect these issues to be solved effectively."

Then what is the argument about? You don't have a way for things to get better but are going to gripe regardless?

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

If you think there's a possibility that we;ve gone back to the gilded age, you should look at the way workers were treated back then. No, we have not gone back to the Gilded Age. One small example would be the Workman's Compensation Laws. Nothing of the kind existed in the GIlded Age.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

I have a way for things to get better. I don't think it will be used, because the insurance companies have a throne at the table. I don't think it's a pressing enough problem to stick their collective heads on a pike. Not too tough to figure out.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Look at wealth distribution and we have gone back to the Gilded Age.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

This is the problem. Demonizing any group to further the political aims of another is suspect at best. At no time have I said that their is something evil or wrong about your aims, I've merely stated that I think a reform of the healthcare should have all stakeholders atthe table. Your response was essentially that reform won't work through the democratic process. Your justification seems to be based upon a mistrust of the insurance companies and belief that they will sabotage any attempt to reform the system. I'm not convinved that I should allow one group to unilaterally decide what the healthcare system should be merely becasue they mistrust another group. There has to be a better way to do it that that. I don't accept the notion that the democratic process is broken and cannot be used to address this issue effectively.

mcbry (439 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

There is no "democratic process", just a steady barrage of spin, propaganda and distraction tactics and an unchecked corporate influence. Stop corporate campaign funding and lobbying, prosecute the libellous content of certain media outlets (the libellous ones, duh!) and break up the monopolies, revoke the tax-exemption status of any church or other supposedly non-profit organization that is used to advocate candidates, and then we'll be starting back down the road toward being able to talk about a democratic process and it's hypothetical suspension.

The reform of the healthcare system is not about stakeholders. The profit margins of those interests are not an admissible concern in the process.

Crazy Anglican (1067 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

You mean the 3.5% of the population of the USA owns half of the assets?

That does sound ominous until you add in that 80% of American millionaires are first generation millionaries. Which means that 4 out of 5 of them achieved that status as a result of their own work and manging their own money. Which means that you and I can do it as well. That's a plus for our society not a minus. Also your typical American millionarie isn't anything like what you'd expect. They tend to live well below their means. That's how they got to be millionaires in the first place. I'd suggest a book "The Millionaire Next Door", if you really think that we're in another Gilded Age.

Bob Genghiskhan (1233 )
24 Nov 10 UTC

Yep. My statement is that reform won't work if all the stakeholders are at the table, because the stakeholders have nothing like equal power in the negotiating process. And my belief that the insurance companies will sabotage any attempt to reform the system is based on the fact that they have no incentive to reform the system so long as they are not presented with an existential threat. Class war seems only to be a problem when the working class tries to defend itself, otherwise it's business as usual.

And why does there have to be a better way to do things? After all, labor protection didn't happen until after we fought a virtual civil war over the issue, and had a financial meltdown of Brobdignagian proportion. The civil rights movement didn't succeed until the chickens started coming home to roost in the form of riots in the streets and militant black people arming themselves and threatening to take the violence of their everyday experience back to whitey. Militancy is necessary for real reform. Dictators aren't.

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Problem/bug with voting for draws?

I voted to pause this game: gameID=42651
Everyone else voted for a draw. So the game ended in a draw? Does voting to pause count as voting for a draw?

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Join quick! Turkey Day Gunboat

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=42680

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Support different coasts

I thought I understood this part of the rules, but after looking things up, I've become even more confused. The question is, can a fleet from say Marseilles support a fleet from Gascony to the north coast of Spain?

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Live game come join link is below

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=42660

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Live game join link is below

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=42658

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24 Nov 10 UTC

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PreThanksgiving Episode!

Is this your first year preparing Thanksgiving? Just looking to spice things up?
If you need a crash course in preparing an awesome Thanksgiving, look no further!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yKQiXu-38I

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25 Nov 10 UTC

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Looking for challengers

We are a team of 3 members, and are looking for a team of 2 or 3 facing members to challenge us on a Classic Game.
Please check under the name "strategyonly" it's already open for new members
it starts Monday!

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