Yeah thats pretty much thats wut hes saying...

We worked together to beat him using an IRC chat and he says we're multis. =/

What is an IRC chat?

IRC?

Whats that?
Multi means you have several accounts, and meta means you play with same people every game... i think

Sorry Paulsalomon... you got there first

IRC = Internet Relay Chat. It's a live chat like AOL Instant Messenger or Microsoft's Live Messenger. It means they fully intended to work togwther the whole time and didn't want to miss any messages.

I see. Multigaming is unthinkable. Metagaming is very tough to control, especially since people who play a lot inevitably run into each other over and over.

So, Masterninja, did you figure out what I said?

Yeah that is completely weak. Use the website. Play like everyone else, but ultimately there are always cheaters, and there are always people with different ethics. What can you do? Not play with them.

You can play with people you know, but you have to announce it in the global chat at the beginning of the game - at least that's my understanding.

Meta- means above. Meta-game means "above the game;" i.e. making decisions (e.g. alliances) outside of the realm of the game, say with friends you know offline.

Masterninja, you speak of negative experiences, yet you're hardly any kinder than the folks you claim to detest.

Metagamin isn't so much playing with the same group, but going into the game with prearraigned alliances. I play with Crazyter a lot (or have in the past) but we always seem to stab each other, even when we ally. She and I go into a game knowing that we don't have a clue what will happen until the game starts moving and even then, it could turn on a dime.

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Oops.

@ Lordstark, if meta is using outside msn's etc, then surely thats cheating??? it obviously means that people know each other.

@Draugnar... in which thread are you referrring the WAR(rl one?) Or this thread...?

Too hard to keep up here mate...

On a further note Draugnar, i am not saying playing with the same player constitutes meta, but cos i have played with say 4 or 5 others in live games- predominantly those who wish to play them i am accused of cheating as i am sure, are they.

I mean if you always play EVERY game with the same person and this results in your win, then yes, thats meta... does that make any sense? Sorry am tired, been to a funeral so apologies

I think you mistook the intended context of my comment, which was in relation to your earlier reply to me, rather than your detestation of metagamers and multiaccount-users. As it happens, I do not disagree with you on that topic.

In this thread. My comment in Sindarin.

And I wasn't accusing you, MN. I was just clarifying what is unacceptable metaing on this site according to our great rock group, Kestas and the Mods.

We're not meta gamers for godsakes. I've always gotten fking owned by my fellow eRep players.

We just allied up against Bilbo. Why is that a problem again?

Because Bilbo never had the opportunity to convince any of your friends to turn against you, whereas in a game in which people were not as close friends, he stood a reasonable chance of doing so. You cheated because you eliminated that reasonable chance of success.

Lord star, apologies mate, i am very tired and a little stressed from a funeral today, so probably should and will log off for the night. No offence intended mate

Draugnar, i didn't say you, and again i apologise for not being clearer... i was referring to those who see an alliance and doubt ones veracity.
If i find an ally trsutworthy and in another game he/she plays and its viable to make an alliance with them, i will, at least til i have them clear when i stab them.

I wasn't meaning you accused me...

My condolences, rest well, masterninja.

Lord Stark, i prob should not have logged on, just wanted some escapism, not antagonism, so sorry if i created any

OctavianF, Diplomacy is an awesome game if you play it properly.

Here are a few basic tenets to keep in mind for your future games:
1. No pre-arranged alliances. You can't enter a game with a group of friends with the idea of removing players who are not part of your group. Alliances must be formed in-game. If you are playing with friends you probably should announce this at the start of the game. Diplomacy is not a team game.
2. You can't play with more than one account. You are only allowed to have one account on webdiplomacy.
3. Play play to win, if you can't win play to draw, if you can win play to survive.

You broke principle 1, which made the game unfair from the outset.
It certainly looks like you may have had more than one account in that game, judging by at least one of the global chat messages.
Your allies broke principle 3. They were playing to help you win, even to the point of sacrificing themselves. For example Austria could have retreated to Venice instead of being eliminated.
As I said Diplomacy is not a team game. You can form alliances in game, but these must be flexible, and it is to be expected that these alliances will shift during the course of the game, as the balance of power changes, and as commonsense would indicate.

To help you see things from Bilbo's point of game. Would you join a game (by yourself) where you knew from the outset that the rest of the players were friends intended to play as a team and remove non-friends from the outset? I don't think so. What would be the point?
If you play a few more games here, without your friends, you will understand that what we are saying is right, and a much better way to play. You will also become a better player.
I suggest you check out the School of War thread. This might help you understand Diplomacy a little better.
Also check out the diplomacy archive. This website has some excellent strategy advice including various opening for the different powers.

http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/home.htm

Right. Sorry for playing with friends then. Lol

Grow up Octavian. As everyone has said, you can play with friends, you just have to say you are doing so from the start. And whether or not you did, allying with said friends just for the sake of them being your friends gives you a distinct advantage in the game - it isn't fair, and you know it. So grow up or get lost.

I know I can get an angry mob against me, but I thinks that this multi and meta cases are growing because of the live games. It´s really hard to use multi or meta-gaming on a game that last weeks or months, and also are subject to be reviewed by the mods but in a game that last few hours people feel free to do what it takes to get some points or some wins.
I told that when I saw the GList for this month, the people who skyrocketed are people who play mostly live games (including that B.. guy that got banned).

Yeah I thought the same thing; i'd rather play live games against people i know. I joined one recently, but i'd already seen the group play just prior, and they didn't seem to have any problems/complaints. But in general, I'd be wary.

Completely off topic here, but jason, my man, feel like playing a game against me? I've only got two going right now, and I'm thoroughly bored, and I've yet to play against you:]

Sounds good to me :) I have a number running with the tourneys, but I think I have a grasp on what is happening.

Oh, and I have a new computer as of Tuesday! (At the moment I'm playing by phone, and updating orders from our office computer lol - tiresome!)