Finished: 11 PM Fri 05 Feb 10 UTC
All the Leaves are Brown-3
2 days /phase
Pot: 214 D - Spring, 1914, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1901: Hi all - good luck everyone!
06 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1904: What is going on in this game? F/E don't fight anyone and G only fights me. What is there some sort of 4/5 person draw planned? It's strange. I've never seen anything like it.
08 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Hello all, taking over for france here. Good luck to all
08 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1904: Hello and good luck.
11 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: (figlesquidge): Someone asked about suspicious play on the forum and although I can never be sure, this game looks ok to me. Feel free to get back to me if you feel the need in the future
11 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Double stabbed right off the bat!! I knew coming in my position was bad, but didn't expect such vigorous stabbing. Well played Italy and Germany, you sure had me fooled.
11 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Bernstein is a multi. He answered another players message in the 1st person. I bet England who is only playing this 1 game is really Bernstein. I hope you get banned. Cheaters suck. Why play if you have to cheat Bernie? Or should I talk to you other name? What was it again?
11 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: oh yeah. A message was sent to this person PBSmassacre and Bearnie answered. What's up with that?
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: please can you finalize? instead of drawing this out?
it ruins the game for other people.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: C-K, you are a terrible player. I have been honest in telling you the multi's I have. But I will defend Forsythe because he honestly has done nothing wrong. Don't take your defeat at my hands as an excuse to claim multi. None of my accounts are in here besides Bearnstien. So fuck off and accept that perhaps for once in your epic career as a diplomat you might have just been outplayed.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: LOL. if that's true than I appologise to Forsyth. But you Bearnie should be banned for being a multi. How many accounts did(do) you have again?
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: This user was banned: Auto. The time until the next phase has been extended from <span class="timeremaining" unixtime="1260731453" unixtimefrom="1260621906">1 days, 6 hours</span> to <span class="timeremaining" unixtime="1260794706" unixtimefrom="1260621906">2 days</span> (one full phase) so you can find a new player to take his place if you want to.
Make sure to finalize your orders if you don't want
to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: OK. I'm sorry about that Forsyth. It was Bearnstein and magiclit that was cheating. Since this game was obviously flawed can we all agree to vote DRAW? That way some new guy doesn't come in and take over Germany and win the game because of that cheater. I've already voted DRAW. Everyone please do the same. We can take our points and play another game with players who don't cheat.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey russia how about finalizing so we can move on. The others are winning and have no good reason to vote for a draw I suppose, despite the cheater amongst us.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well I think that since there were 2 cheaters who have greatly influenced this game and the fact that no one has more than 9 SC's a Draw is very reasonable. Plus someone will join this game and replace the cheater and be in a strong position to win because of cheating. I don't think that's right? I'll wait for everyones oppinions before doing anything. Again in light of the multi account I think a vote of DRAW is the only fair option.
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ok, so what happened here? Was Germany and Austria banned? And the first game I played on this site was with a multi? What great luck!
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes they were multis. Will you please vote for a Draw so we can move on to another game with fair players?
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Now I understand the early diplomacy though. Every time I talked to Germany, he talked to me about Austria instead of talking to me about Germany-Italy
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Draw?
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ok
12 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Thanks guys. This is the right way to end a game like this. Everyone wins. We'll wait for Turkey and England.
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: How odd. I wouldn’t have guessed that Germany and Austria were the same player. For one thing, they weren’t very well coordinated. Me, I wasn’t as aggressive as I might have been in the early years, which seems to have made some players suspicious, since I’ve tried carefully to arrange alliances, with several players. It is a game called Diplomacy, after all. Not: Faster Pussycat, Kill, Kill. (Although, now that I think about it, I would like to play that game, too.) I’d like to continue with a new Germany, or a ‘civil unrest’ Germany, if that’s possible. But I’m okay with drawing the game, too, if that’s what everyone else prefers. I’d like to wait to hear from Turkey, however, since he’s in the strongest position, he hasn’t benefited from the cheating, and so has the most to lose from drawing now.
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ok thanks for your input England although I'd like to point out that G/A did coordinate their moves against me very well. I was attacked by both of them from the start. That hardly seems fair to me. If they had targeted you how would you feel?
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: I understand your reasoning Russia, but how is that fair to me or England or Italy, who was not at all attacked and have played the game?
Im sorry to say, but i want to play this game out also because i feel i finally have a good chance for once as Turkey.
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: It depends on what everyone else wants, but I do buy Russia's argument.

After all, Turkey you benefited because Austria and Germany attacked Russia together. So you had a weak Russia which made the game easier for you.

Mind you, I think I didn't actually benefit from Germany/Austria. It made Austria stronger, which was worse for me, made Russia weaker, which was worse for me. It did make England stronger (because of his alliance), which might have helped me a little, I guess, since France was weaker because of it.

But anyway, how much pleasure could you get out of winning a game in which someone else was cheating?
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: That's true. You and Eng benifitted the most from the cheater. I obviously suffered the most but both of your advancements have been I my expense because of the cheater. Do you really want to win a game where half your SC's are a direct result of someone cheating?
13 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: You = Turkey by the way.
14 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: C'mon Turkey and England. This game wasn't fair. Why would you want to win a game this way. It's 3 to 2 in favor of the Draw. Just vote Draw. You don't want a win that you didn't deserve. You'll get no satisfaction from it.
14 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: I've started a thread in the Forum about this game if any of you are interested.
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=509868#509868

I'll give a little more time for you to vote Draw but then I'm going to ask for a ruling from the Mods. If you really don't think the Draw is fair then we'll do the ruling and if the Mods say it's ok then I'll let it go.
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Since it’s the majority view, I’ll vote for a draw. However, the argument that the game has been unfair to some is specious. Reviewing the game, I didn’t see any turn where Germany benefited against Russia because of Austria, or vice versa. As I said, there was no coordination between them. To say that they were both more or less anti-R isn’t to say they were coordinated against Russia; indeed, G/A is usually better coordinated against Russia. I’m sorry to say, I’m inclined to think the Russian player wouldn’t have survived this one, regardless of who else was playing. And really, kid, the whining, the baseless and libelous accusations against me, the grade school reading comprehension⎯ at least you could thank people for drawing instead of badgering. Turkey and Italy didn’t benefit from G/A being played by one player at all, if anything it made the game more difficult for them, and yet they’ll likely lose points to accommodate you; you played quite poorly and will undeservedly benefit from a draw. I’ll draw, but please please please stay out of the games I enter in the future.
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: I will however, not draw. There is only benefit for you in this agreement, and France who joined late.But there is no need for Italy, England or I to draw. Because you are now at your defeat, you cry for a draw, and your drawing the game out until you can get a moderator to act on it, when we could just be playing it out and moving on. Get over your one loss on your record and join a new game if you want points.
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well, it's up to everyone. I don't mind playing more. I actually play regularly on a different site http://www.playdiplomacy.com/ and the standard there is that if cheating is detected in a game, the game is switched to no-rank (meaning it doesn't count for rankings). But if it is different on this site, I'll play by the rules here :)
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: By the way, the cheaters are first barred from the site (at least their ids are cancelled), then the game is turned to no-rank for the remaining players (just to be clear)
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: If you read the posts in my thread you'll see that everyone not playing in the game agrees with me.

@England. There's no need to get personal kid. I appologised for thinking you were B's "other" but as you were only in this one game I thought it was you. As for them not working against me the game started with them both attacking War. That is a very strange move for G but it could happen but the fact that it was a multi makes it clearer doesn't it? I'm waiting for a Mod ruling but in the meantine read my thread about the game and you'll see that EVERYONE thinks the game shouldn't continue to be played. If I was another country I'd still vote Draw just like Italy is. It's the right thing to do.
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Oh and yes you're right about one thing.

Thanks to those who voted Draw.
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: You have one SC. Are you really gonna make the rest of us wait at least 8 more days just so we can start playing this game?
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes. I am. Are you really not going to vote Draw?
15 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes. I am.
16 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: hi! i'm the new leader of germany
16 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: LOL
16 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Anyone else find it the least bit suspicious that Turkey and Germany's last seen time are exactly the same?
16 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: both last seen at exactly 11:03AM
16 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Ok ya, now convict me of it. Sure. Im not stupid i only have one account.
17 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Hehe. No I hadn't noticed. That's funny though.
17 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Ok. I've been told that they don't feel they have the right to force anyone to Draw the game if they don't want to so I'll move things a long now. Thanks for your patience and sorry about the wait. I just thought that a game involving Multis should be ended but apparently not. good luck. Let's play this out then.
01 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 1912: turkey can you please finalize your orders?
02 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 1913: england, believe me, i wont take any of your SCs, my moves were just about prevention. go take ankara so we can draw the game.
03 Feb 10 UTC great game england!!! lets draw
03 Feb 10 UTC Cheers!

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Germany
Pipe (553 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 107 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
England
Forsythe (187 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 107 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Russia
C-K (2037 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Turkey
CODzilla28 (168 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
France
fogsurrounds (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 24 D
Italy
Steppenwulf (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Austria
magiclit (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
Aethelwulf (160 D)France (Spring, 1904) with 5 centres.
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