http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/24/local/la-me-dog-maul-20130925

http://www.ktvb.com/news/Mother-of-boy-killed-in-pitbull-attack-speaks-out-227328001.html

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?id=9259360

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/09/26/cops-tot-attacked-killed-grandmas-8-pit-bulls


http://www.sbsun.com/general-news/20130924/colton-grandmother-uncle-arrested-in-fatal-pit-bull-attack

http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/makeshift-memorial-baker-city-pit-bull-attack-225749841.html?mobile=y

You were saying, obama lover?

If not for the cockroach and other similar insects, the world would be a giant trash heap.

"That's grossly unfair. Cockroaches have never killed anybody."

That's extremely unlikely.

"If not for the cockroach and other similar insects, the world would be a giant trash heap."

Yet you don't even know that they can swim. Go learn something about them if you're going to start a fan club.

Anyway, on the OP. I'm not even a dog lover, but yes, this is outrageous, and the suggested steps would be very reasonable.

"Yet you don't even know that they can swim."

Holding breath under water for half a minute is not swimming.

But don't waste an opportunity in being nasty for no reason, Semck83.

Half an hour, rather.

"Holding breath under water for half a minute is not swimming. "

Many cockroaches can last in water without breathing for 40 minutes. It's actually quite incredible.

Sorry, didnt see your correction beforehand.

How on earth is holding your breath for half an hour and propelling yourself through water not swimming?

They float, they don't swim underwater.

http://www.cityofelmirage.org/index.aspx?NID=890

Also, it wasn't for no reason. If the dangers of cockroaches are discussed for more than 2 minutes, you're going to deny that they actually bring germs into a house that weren't already there, and then you'll deny that they can traipse germs in from sewer pipes, and you'll do it by denying that they can swim.

Whereas, in fact, holding your breath for 40 minutes and being able to propel yourself through water is more than enough to make it into a house through a sewer pipe.

Insects are vital ecologically, of course. Cockroaches, too. But, they should not be allowed to live in your house. It is not safe.

"Cockroaches seldom enter homes through sewer lines. Water in the traps beneath the sinks keeps the roaches out. "

From above linked website.

Remember, Semck83 claimed roaches "often" enter homes through sewer lines and can swim. Both of which are not true.

But he'll still be nasty about this, because he cannot behave any other way.

Not to contradict the City of El Mirage with an ehow article, but see

http://www.ehow.com/info_8700145_can-through-tub-sink-drains.html

For more scholarly fare on the dangers of roaches, see e.g. Oothuman et al., "Bacterial pathogens isolated from cockroaches trapped from paediatric wards in peninsular Malaysia," Transactions of the Royal Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene, Volume 83, Issue 1.

"But he'll still be nasty about this, because he cannot behave any other way."

I don't think I'm being that nasty, really. I'm just firmly refuting the position that cockroaches are harmless, because they're not and it's a potentially dangerous falsehood.

http://pestcontrolgreenvalley.com/lasvegasbugcontrol/5-interesting-facts-about-cockroaches/

I assume people who kill them for a living know if they can swim or not, and whether they come through sewer pipes.

You'd think, but you'd be wrong. Here's an experiment for you.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1298&dat=19541227&id=2ElcAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4ooDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2052,6598208

@krell - I don't advocate the killing of any dog (and I've been bitten by my own pets as well in the past). I was more joking with the GS's. We have one next door, Wolf, that's a mean bastard, but his buddy, a pit bull mix named Diesel, is the friendliest happiest medium sized guy in the world. Both run to the fence and bark at me when I walk down to get the mail (their back yard faces my sid eyard as they face the cross street) but Wolf does it with a snarl and Diesel with a smile and wagging tail.

"I don't think I'm being that nasty, really."

You arrogantly barge in here claiming I know nothing about cockroaches and now are in the position of insisting that pest controllers in Arizona & Nevada evidently don't know anything either. Maybe you should write them to tell them of this 'dangerous falsehood' they are perpetuating, if you're really that concerned.

"I'll post links to pitbulls killing and naming children and you 2 mental midgets "

I would look for articles, but seeing as you can't respect me enough to not use ad hominem attacks, I decline you roffer. I am on a new path to respect others, but ignore those who disrespect me.

As far as you rfinding pit bul stories, yes you can. Easily. It has nothing to do with the reality of the breed though, and everything to do with a prejudice towards it. I can show you *tons* of news articles about blacks robbing white neighborhoods because the news is prejudiced against blacks. I doubt I could find nearly as many with whites robbing *any* neighborhood. doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It just means the media is prejudiced: be it against blacks or against pit bulls and no, I am not equating blacks to pit bulls beyond how the media treats them.

They *rarely* enter through sewer pipes. The experiment had to create conditions of backed up sewage and warm temperatures in order to induce cockroaches to risk drowning to go through the sewer pipe. Remember you said they *often* go through sewer pipes.

"You arrogantly barge in here claiming I know nothing about cockroaches and now are in the position of insisting that pest controllers in Arizona & Nevada evidently don't know anything either. Maybe you should write them to tell them of this 'dangerous falsehood' they are perpetuating, if you're really that concerned. "

Wait, you're not admitting you're wrong, even though I posted a description of an experiment by two public health scientists?

And you're right -- I'm appalled at those Las Vegas bug people not knowing about this. I would never hire them.

"Remember you said they *often* go through sewer pipes."

No I did not. Show me where I said that.

Also, the article didn't say it was rare. It said nothing about frequency. Why should we take your assertion for how often they do this, when ten minutes ago you were insisting that they COULDN'T make it past a water trap, as a matter of ability, and I was making stuff up to say it EVER happened?

In addition to this, I've also given you a reference to an article that short-circuits the whole discussion by finding dangerous bacteria on cockroaches that were collected in an otherwise-clean hospital. Whether or not they came in through the sewers (a possibility discussed in the article), this too refutes your claim that roaches carry disease only in filthy places.

I wish I were more optimistic that any amount of evidence would ever cause you to change your tune on this.

@abge - Should have split the differencw at 18 (6 AM breakfast sandwiches at McDs to midnight White Castle cravings). :-)

Just kidding, but I get your point. The fact is, though, you can extrapolate from a typical medium to large city when you then reduce by half an order of magnitude the resulting actrapolation as was done here. He wasn't saying 98 minutes was correct. He was just showing that it isn't unfeasible considering that one major city has one pet killing by the cops every 20 minutes.

A while back we had the story of a mayor of a town whose dogs were killed by a task force that really fucked up and thought he was dealing drugs when it was the delivery guy on the scheme and the people receiving the packages had no knowledge or involvement in it at all. Both has dogs were killed and the cops didn't even apologize. their CoP said they did everything by the book.

Remember that story? this is a systemic problem. Cops shoot first when it comes to dogs, even shooting dogs that are tied up. We need to do something about it. whether it is one every 98 minutes or one a day, it is a problem. If that were cops shooting black suspects and killing them, we wouold be up in arms. We already are for the much smaller number of times this occurs. So why don't we get pissed off and force a change? Because animal rights don't really seem to matter. Unless someone is caught read-handed killing a dog, all they get is a slap on the wrist. and that, my friends, is the real tragedy.

"Wait, you're not admitting you're wrong, even though I posted a description of an experiment by two public health scientists?"

That created conditions of backed up sewage and overcrowding? How often does this happen? How have you proved anything. The pest controllers said the insects rarely get through sewer pipes. You said they often go through sewer pipes and can "swim". They can "swim" as much as a cat in rapids.

@Draug:

I would look for articles, but seeing as you can't respect me enough to not use ad hominem attacks, I decline you roffer. I am on a new path to respect others, but ignore those who disrespect me.

Ha! your past history on this site makes this statement rather pathetic, don't you think? If you ignored those who disrupted you, you'd never post here!

And don't pull that ad hominem hit on me. Save it for people like maple who don't understand it. Remember it was me who had to tell him that its not just Latin for trash talking or calling people names. I didn't dismiss your argument because you're a mental midget, I simply called you that and said back up your argument. Not ad hominem. Dont group yourself with the likes of maplethorp by using it incorrectly to try to sound smart.

BTW, you owe the site $6 so far.

"No I did not. Show me where I said that."

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=1059248&page-thread=1#threadPager

The exact quote was:

"Cockroaches are well known to come in through sewer pipes, putin."

So well known that pest controllers say they seldom do it, and you have to dig up an article about an experiment in which scientists have to force conditions upon the insects to get them to do it.

"Also, the article didn't say it was rare. It said nothing about frequency."

I sure hope that backed up sewage is rare.

"Why should we take your assertion for how often they do this, when ten minutes ago you were insisting that they COULDN'T make it past a water trap, as a matter of ability, and I was making stuff up to say it EVER happened?"

Your reading comprehension skills are really off. The very first thing I mentioned from the link said the following:

""Cockroaches seldom enter homes through sewer lines. Water in the traps beneath the sinks keeps the roaches out. "

This is what I said. I repeated the 'seldom' point over and over again. You, someone who supposedly cares about getting things precisely accurate, evidently didn't bother to read that at all and claimed I said that getting past water traps never happens.

"I've also given you a reference to an article that short-circuits the whole discussion by finding dangerous bacteria on cockroaches that were collected in an otherwise-clean hospital."

Hospitals are clean? Are you kidding? Especially in the developing world? Wow you got me there. Especially since they collected them from kitchens and store rooms. Not a chance those would be dirty.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Cockroaches-are-helpful-just-misunderstood-1540874.php

I'm sure you'll tell me entomologists don't know anything about cockroaches either.

"The purpose is that we really want to raise awareness that cockroaches do have a role as scavengers, and even the ones in your house are not particularly dirty. "

"I wish I were more optimistic that any amount of evidence would ever cause you to change your tune on this."

Right, because you sitting here claiming that pest controllers are ignoramuses who shouldn't be hired speaks to your ability to accept information that disputes your worldview.

@phil - I belive you understasnd the word "new", so I will repost what I said.

"I am on a new path to respect others, but ignore those who disrespect me."

And why do I owe the site $6?